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Who or what do you invoke during sudden danger.

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I find it really interesting to see what people invoke when they are suddenly met with danger and have no time to think about it. E.g. almost have a car crash. I have observed close friends and relatives, and I present you some results.

My son invokes "Ya Ali" (good solid choice)

My wife invokes "Ya Imam Zaman" (good choice too)

My mother invokes "Ya Amirul Momineen" (see above)

I'm not so clever as these members of my family. Since in an emergency, I find myself screaming "Astaghfurullah"

What about you all?

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I thank and glorify Allāh first and foremost that He finds me worthy of testing me, and chant “Ya hayyu ya qayyum birahmataka astaghith” (Oh ever living, Oh all sustaining, by your mercy I cry for help)

Then I turn to his loved ones as a waseelah -

  Ya rasul Allāh, ya habeeb Allāh, ya rahmat al 3alameen, atawajahu ilayk bi maqamaka al mahmuda an... (O messenger of Allah, oh the beloved of Allāh, oh the mercy (sent to) the worlds, I turn to you by your praiseworthy position (with Allāh) so that you .... (what I want)

 

Ya saheb al saman, id3iy ila Allāh ta3ala yirzikni bi rahmatahu, bi abi anta wa ummiy ya Baqiyyat Allāh fi ardha (‘O Master of the era (Mahdi), pray to Allāh the exalted to sustain me with His mercy, May my father and mother be sacrificed for you ‘o the remnant of Allāh on His earth)

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Once an Iranian friend of mine had this discussion with me about calling upon Ali for help in times of trouble. At the end of the spoken discussion he got so frustrated that he actually said (in German) : "I hope that you get in real trouble and then are forced to call upon him". 

I thought that was kind of mean, but I forgave him for that. Sad that people don't find calling Allah for help as enough. It works for me alhamdulilah, and I've been in a lot of trouble in my almost 40 years of living in this body. 

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I generally call an SC mod. ( feeling like deja vou? - no it isn't - I wrote the same response to the same kind of post previously. )

2 hours ago, realizm said:

Please people, post here how you invoke other than Allah, from Um al Banin to Zuljenah, so takfiri forums can laugh at us.

Fools laugh at everyone apart from themselves. Generally it is intended to hide their own flaws and distract the dummies to follow their creed. Status and prestige is a general requirement for those who cannot be alone with their own egos. Their egos are far superior to their intellect and it is their commanding edifice.

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3 hours ago, realizm said:

Please people, post here how you invoke other than Allah, from Um al Banin to Zuljenah, so takfiri forums can laugh at us.

Takfiris will laugh at everything, the way you do Matam, cry on Imam Hussain (a.s.), pray, breathe, etc. We're not here to please others. 

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7 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Takfiris will laugh at everything, the way you do Matam, cry on Imam Hussain (a.s.), pray, breathe, etc. We're not here to please others. 

Let us just be careful not to fall into the same trap of making takfir against the takfiris. It happens so easily on Shiachat. The same goes for mocking, bullying, etc. 

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18 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Let us just be careful not to fall into the same trap of making takfir against the takfiris. It happens so easily on Shiachat.

It is not happening here at the moment amd hopefully it won't. 

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3 hours ago, monad said:

I generally call an SC mod. ( feeling like deja vou? - no it isn't - I wrote the same response to the same kind of post previously. )

Fools laugh at everyone apart from themselves. Generally it is intended to hide their own flaws and distract the dummies to follow their creed. Status and prestige is a general requirement for those who cannot be alone with their own egos. Their egos are far superior to their intellect and it is their commanding edifice.

 

2 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Takfiris will laugh at everything, the way you do Matam, cry on Imam Hussain (a.s.), pray, breathe, etc. We're not here to please others. 

:salam:

A recurring theme at SC is how verses of the Fatiha are not practiced by shias, like 'Iyyaka nasta`in'.

So before escalading that much I thought I would bring a touch of irony. Shouldn't have obviously.

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47 minutes ago, realizm said:

'Iyyaka nasta`in'.

Thanks. Read tafsir by Ahlulbait (ams) and don't interpret yourself. 

6Question: Is it right to say ya Ali madad?
Answer: There is no objection in it.

Sistani says there's no objection, no additional approval required. 

https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01253/

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Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum 

It depends on the situation I'm currently facing.

I call upon Rasoul Allah for his mercy.

I call upon Sayyida Zahra for her warmth and gentle nature.

I call upon Amir al Mo2mneen, I say Ya Ali, for strength, glory, times of happiness.

I call upon Imam Ali ibn Moussa Reza for calmness in my heart and mind.

I call upon Sayyida Zainab, begging her for patience. 

M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 

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I discovered soon after I got my driver's license that calling out in fear does nothing to avoid the danger for me. God knows, but we have free will. In a longer duration (minutes) danger, I might call upon all the intercession I can think of. In milliseconds, I just deal with it the best I can, and often I surprise myself by avoiding or reducing the danger. If you live though it, there is time for prayers of thanks afterward. 

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34 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Thanks. Read tafsir by Ahlulbait (ams) and don't interpret yourself. 

 

Thanks, I understand the need for tafseer under certain circumstances but  for such a simple and clear verse, your response sounds like an insult to human, God-given intelligence.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, realizm said:

Thanks, I understand the need for tafseer under certain circumstances but  for such a simple and clear verse, your response sounds like an insult to human, God-given intelligence.

There are lots of simple and clear incidents where an Aalim or even a common man asked Imam of our time (atfs) for help, he (atfs) came and helped them and not even once he said 'You should ask Allah for help and not me'. If Imam (atfs) has no problem someone calling him for help then the God-given intelligence tells me no one should have. 

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My argument to my Iranian friend who was sure that asking imam for help gave him results was as follows:

Just like Christians call upon Jesus, father, son, holy ghost, saints, mother of God, etc, for help, calling upon any other can work in the short term. We have shayteen around us who dance in happiness when we choose to partner others than God in our prayers, so they become our waly and solve whatever problem we may face. When we ask for help from an imam, how do we know it's really him who answers? There is no way to be sure of where the response is from, just like if you play wija board and call upon and imam, and I can guarantee you that there will be a response. But I can also guarantee that the person or jinn responding isn't actually and imam, Elvis, or a diseased relative. 

It is not a safe way, and it Arabic the word safety is amn, and a momin is literally somebody who has amn/safety upon him or her. We just want the safe way, the straight way. The way of God and his prophet. The prophet only prayed to God and God tells us clearly about only praying to Him for help and I understand and respect that some don't see it. To me it's crystal clear alhamdulilah.

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3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

There are lots of simple and clear incidents where an Aalim or even a common man asked Imam of our time (atfs) for help, he (atfs) came and helped them and not even once he said 'You should ask Allah for help and not me'. If Imam (atfs) has no problem someone calling him for help then the God-given intelligence tells me no one should have. 

Brother, you told me not to interpret 'iyaka nasta`in' without the tafseer of an infaillible. Nothing to do with what you said here, which seems to rely on popular traditions by the way.

There is a serious issue when shias are more confident with handling ahadith than the Quran.

 

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7 hours ago, realizm said:

There is a serious issue when shias are more confident with handling ahadith than the Quran.

I believe Quran cannot be explained by anyone except infallibles. A simple verse can have a very different tafseer.

As far as ahadith goes, that's straightforward words of Masoomeen most of the time. 

All those incidents of our last Imam (atfs) are too many to deny. People called Imam (atfs) and he came to help them. 

Quran and Ahadith goes hand in hand. Hadith is very much required in understanding Quran. 

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3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I believe Quran cannot be explained by anyone except infallibles. A simple verse can have a very different tafseer.

As far as ahadith goes, that's straightforward words of Masoomeen most of the time. 

All those incidents of our last Imam (atfs) are too many to deny. People called Imam (atfs) and he came to help them. 

Quran and Ahadith goes hand in hand. Hadith is very much required in understanding Quran. 

I had to look for Qur'anic verses that encourage us to reflect on the Qur'an. I know you will now engage on a discussion about the difference between reflecting and interpreting, to which I would reply that the following verses make it a divine sunnah to interact with the Qur'an and not simply follow interpretations. 

 كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ مُبَارَكٌ لِّيَدَّبَّرُوا آيَاتِهِ وَلِيَتَذَكَّرَ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ

(38:39)

 أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا

(47:24)

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I will call the Names of Allah.

IF i need help from my friend to solve my maths homework,  i have to know his knowledge come from Allah swt, but through my friend body so that he can teach me. Then only i will ask his help and say Alhamdulillah.  If i see syaitan in him, even though he is going to help me, i will refuse.  If i am not sure (mixed between haq and bathil), i will read doa so that there will be wall and filters between myself and my friend so that the knowledge will pass through but not the syaitans. 

I know my Prophet and Ahlulbayt are cleaned from syaitans.  There are alive and connected to me because the Light (Allah Names) is totally controlling them and they are just means.  To call them, knowing they are next to me and taking care of my affairs (ulil Amri)...that is not a problem to me.

Even Names of Allah swt are also means to reach Him.  Allah swt is beyond description.  Only my Prophet and Imams know Him swt better than anyone else.  I need Ahlulbayt to reach Him faster.

For someone who does not the status of Ahlulbayts, calling Names of Allah swt during sudden danger is the way to go.

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