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Darth Vader

Make Shiachat Shiachat again

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13 minutes ago, Khadim uz Zahra said:

Well, would you rather users complain about our actions and we don't explain them? If we did that, we'd be accused of being indifferent tyrants who rule from Olympus with nary a concern for the poor, everyday Spartan on the ground.

I am not against transparency. My point is against useless alarmism which loves to portray the admins as the oligarchs of some virtual banana republic, with the sole life- goal of staying hooked to the screen and banning each and every member who dares disagree with His/Her Majesties' decree.

As many other members of the admin panel, yourself included, have said umpteen number of times, a lot goes on behind the scenes. Involving all and sundry will not only complicate the decision-making process, but will make it degenerate into name -calling and mud- slinging (as we have seen in so many threads where 'strong' opinions are expressed). And you can reason with the one who is not willing to consider an alternate perspective only so much.

Just because an opinion happens to exist, it cannot be accorded equal validity with a valid one for that reason alone.

I am on your side, actually.

Edited by AbdusSibtayn

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Nobody is going to lock your thread brother @Darth Vader 

You know what brother, you never explained your trip to Imam al Ridha 3la salam.  When are you going to talk about your ziyarat?

Have you went for ziyarat to Amir al mo2mineen and Imam Hussain 3la salam?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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I was discussing SC with my friend and trying to encourage her to join. She sent me this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shia/comments/8l4ugz/shiachat_rant/

I haven’t read all of it properly because as the name suggests... it’s a rant! Sad that people are complaining about SC even outside of SC. :(

 

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5 hours ago, Aflower said:

I was discussing SC with my friend and trying to encourage her to join. She sent me this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shia/comments/8l4ugz/shiachat_rant/

I haven’t read all of it properly because as the name suggests... it’s a rant! Sad that people are complaining about SC even outside of SC. :(

There have been 'rants' like this from the time SC started.More than anything else I find these things amusing. There have been entire blogs dedicated to complaining about SC. Those blogs have died. SC has stayed. 

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46 minutes ago, starlight said:

There have been 'rants' like this from the time SC started.More than anything else I find these things amusing. There have been entire blogs dedicated to complaining about SC. Those blogs have died. SC has stayed. 

Ranting is certainly much easier than coming up with concrete,workable solutions.

The SC community has been, is, and shall remain a support- system for reverts and introverts, inshaallah!! 

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5 hours ago, Aflower said:

I was discussing SC with my friend and trying to encourage her to join. She sent me this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shia/comments/8l4ugz/shiachat_rant/

I haven’t read all of it properly because as the name suggests... it’s a rant! Sad that people are complaining about SC even outside of SC. :(

SC is not going anywhere dear sis.  Since 1998 until Dhuoor Sahab al 3sri wa zaman, Insh'Allah!

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7 hours ago, Aflower said:

I was discussing SC with my friend and trying to encourage her to join. She sent me this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shia/comments/8l4ugz/shiachat_rant/

I haven’t read all of it properly because as the name suggests... it’s a rant! Sad that people are complaining about SC even outside of SC. :(

As it happens with any other big community, such problems take place. Problem is that in many debates, specifically these controversial ones that make Islam look like the worst set of beliefs you could possibly have, people prefer to stay in the "safe zone" and defend the undefendable positions instead of using common sense. Just check the threads on cheating, locking women, slavery, etc. These are things that any decent man would not allow for his own sisters, and any loving mother would dislike for her own daughters.

Sexism is a reality, and is deeply ingrained in our understanding of Islam altogether. But it seems you can't expect people to grow the intellectual confidence to question such realities. We have to grow some integrity when it comes to our opinions, and defend them. We have scholars for a reason. Of what use are they if we don't ask them and demand serious intelligent replies that convince us (or not).

Once you discuss these topics and use reason with scholars, you will see most of them making countless remarks to the point that these apparently conservative positions on topics you later read in SC make no sense and aren't solid even for them. It's mostly culture, of the ignorant type.

But it's always easier to judge based merely on fiqh, and not behaviour/intentions. Especially when it is a topic that has to do with men's dominance. The topic mentioned in that reddit thread is a perfect example of a wrong human behaviour that is ignored in the name of fiqh. It's really necessary to think outside the box. Otherwise, you can also allow yourself to see intercrural sex with a nine year old kid as something lawful and good.

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On 10/31/2018 at 6:22 PM, Maryaam said:

There was a time over a few months that there was literally a banning spree and many posters left.

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

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45 minutes ago, Bakir said:

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

Some banned members will return and make a new account, pretending to be a new member. They often complain about Mods and make complaints about the site. 

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Well, for a start, fix the security certificate issue. It says the issuer is unknown. I have to add an exception each time I log on to SC. What is up with that? Instead of feeling insecure unnecessarily and complaining about the complainants, start addressing the issues. We're all on the same side here.

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7 hours ago, Bakir said:

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

I wonder if more transparency would help. As a former mod I know that a lot of bad behaviour is hidden away. I think there are three reasons for this:

1, To protect the reputation of shias and this website. E.g. some admins not wanting wahabis to start mocking shiachat on their own forums. 2, To protect the reputation of members that may have done something which they may regret in the future. 3, To make this place appear nicer for the members. Imagine coming here and seeing evidence of lots of horrible behaviour. You wouldn't want to spend too much time here.

The ones who got banned were a small number that joined over and over again. I remember seeing people who had been banned tens of times and sometimes they would have multiple profiles at once. It's always a few that make it seem like there are a lot.

The trouble with hiding things is that people think that the bans were acts of injustice. But revealing too much may also be a bad thing.

All the above does not mean to say that there were no errors of judgement. Both mods and members have to show humility. We could be wrong without realising it. I was probably wrong many times over.

Edited by Muhammed Ali

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