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On 10/31/2018 at 6:22 PM, Maryaam said:

There was a time over a few months that there was literally a banning spree and many posters left.

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

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45 minutes ago, Bakir said:

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

Some banned members will return and make a new account, pretending to be a new member. They often complain about Mods and make complaints about the site. 

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Well, for a start, fix the security certificate issue. It says the issuer is unknown. I have to add an exception each time I log on to SC. What is up with that? Instead of feeling insecure unnecessarily and complaining about the complainants, start addressing the issues. We're all on the same side here.

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7 hours ago, Bakir said:

I bet they were perverts, as it happened once that all of them were very active at the same period of time. They were banned fee sabeel Allah.

I wonder if more transparency would help. As a former mod I know that a lot of bad behaviour is hidden away. I think there are three reasons for this:

1, To protect the reputation of shias and this website. E.g. some admins not wanting wahabis to start mocking shiachat on their own forums. 2, To protect the reputation of members that may have done something which they may regret in the future. 3, To make this place appear nicer for the members. Imagine coming here and seeing evidence of lots of horrible behaviour. You wouldn't want to spend too much time here.

The ones who got banned were a small number that joined over and over again. I remember seeing people who had been banned tens of times and sometimes they would have multiple profiles at once. It's always a few that make it seem like there are a lot.

The trouble with hiding things is that people think that the bans were acts of injustice. But revealing too much may also be a bad thing.

All the above does not mean to say that there were no errors of judgement. Both mods and members have to show humility. We could be wrong without realising it. I was probably wrong many times over.

Edited by Muhammed Ali

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I want to suggest an improvement that the mods can implement: Do not hide whole threads because the OP asked for it to happen. It used to happen a lot and I noticed that it reduced at a certain point when an admin decided that it was happening too much.

I am suggesting this right now because there is a thread that I would like to be made public again. There was a very long thread (hundreds of posts) debating homosexuality that was hidden because the OP requested it. A mod/admin hid the thread.

Can we please have it back because it contains the work of numerous individuals who put in much effort in making their arguments. I think it's one of the longest threads in SC history. There are certain posts in that thread that I want to read. You can edit the post of the OP or you can split the thread to remove the OP, but let's not hide the work of individuals who don't even know that the thread has been hidden.

 

The above brings me to mention what I think would be the most important improvement that the SC admin team could make: A constitution that includes a decision making process. When there are contentious decisions being made then there needs to be a process to determine the course of action to take. A single mod/admin should not have the right to make a decision that others oppose. You should have some sort of voting process.

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Salam, 

This is my first post here in a while for reasons mentioned by valuable members above. 

The most important improvement and focus to make Shiachat better than ever is to focus the rules on priority of manners and personal behavior. Admins and Mods should focus on accepting all opinions, and rather target bad manners of speech, such as hurtful personal insults. I would rather discuss with a respectful (composed) Satanic than a hateful Shia who spews poisonous personal insults against me. (because - for instance in my case - I think all humans are fallible, the earth is flat, and we should only supplicate to God alone). 

As long as people talk to each other in a respectful way, "all walks of life" will live in harmony, even if they have different beliefs. Protect people with minority opinions against direct and indirect insults and intimidation. You and I can talk about opinions concerning any topic between the heavens and earth, but don't switch this to suddenly talking about judging my person level of understanding, faith, intentions, or other insults. That is called zulm in Arabic, and having an opinion in itself is not zulm. But standing by watching while people are being attacked personally is. 

That's my opinion for a post zuhur world and Shiachat. Live and let live.

Thank you

All the best 

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