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Darth Vader

Make Shiachat Shiachat again

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We have given leeway for members to air their grievances in a polite and reasonable manner, but this is definitely not permission to condemn individual moderators or discuss specific details of a moderator action (beyond generalities). According to rule #9, discussions on moderator actions are to be discussed privately by PM.

 

 

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I don't like any member getting banned specifically the nasibis who come here to spread their filth. They are looking to get banned so they can wear it as a badge of honor - "look shias couldn't handle my truth so they banned me"

Suspension works

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Thanks for taking your time to reply @Reza. Definitely, the forum, in my opinion, is better in all ways compared to the past. I'm happy to hear implemented ideas are being evaluated and iterated. If I come across a shorter list of categories, I will suggest it, for sure.

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Regarding moderation, I think you guys are considering past moderation as something better when, at least for me, it was the other way around. Being one of the evidently controversial members of this community, I've noticed much progress in the way SC deals with moderation, discussions and chats.

SC moderation may have lost some neutrality, yes... For the better. Sociologically speaking, and this is backed by social sciences, neutrality leads to the spreading of intolerance. You can't be neutral with intolerants, and I remember the so called good old days full of an intolerant, sexist, racist and LGBTphobic discourse that even Bolsonaro would feel ashamed to say. And sadly, that would slightly reach staff members (and I truly believe they had the best of intentions, but we have to use our head a bit because these topics are highly important). I preferred to respect rules and behaviours I honestly don't share and find condemnable, because Internet is not a democracy and respectful free speech is sometimes censored.

I don't think frequent banning serves any good purpose. Except for the cases of perverts, which aren't few. But for the most part, one should consider what pushes someone to get banned. And again, I believe it is neutrality. Let an intolerant person speak and speak, and eventually, you will see the reality behind intolerance, which is ignorance. Correcting a person's ignorance doesn't require a ban, just a claim. Problem is that many of these cases are mixed with apparently islamic behaviours and ideas, lacking absolutely a sense of common sense. And the way I see it, it brings the wrong idea that Islam is a non-sensical religion. I see this, honestly, way worse than those who just insult a marja, as they put it easy for all, they commit an evident fault and deceive no one.

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Lastly, as it has been mentioned in this topic, I would like to add that specifically @Khadim uz Zahra is committed to his position and active, and one of those mods who use common sense without rushing any decision. Duas for him to get good marks fee sabeel Allah.

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On 10/30/2018 at 2:00 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Getting me to moderate my own posts. :blush:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

I'm glad you know the reasons of my warnings.  We are grown adults and sometimes we use particular words for types of people who are corrupted, immoral, God less people.

We have that right to express our feelings in a particular way, atleast I believe so.  I believe anger in the right time, particular circumstances is natural to express.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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7 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Suspension works

Yes, as l got a few days for not watching where l quoted an article, carelessness.  The article was fine, but the foreign publication had pornography -which l didn't notice. So even yesterday, when l looked for articles, l remember 'carelessness'; so l only usually use foreign sites l know.

No, as l got one recently for following a theme in Quran. This was a real surprise. Not one opportunity for further explanation of a "l have done what?". Yet it is OK.

Notice ? l followed the rule of not arguing these actions in the open.

l remember that guy from Florida a few years back. He got into an argument with a Mod. The first couple of posts were OK, but then he degenerated into wacky comments, to insults . . . as l posted to someone's where-is-he-question, it was like he had a nervous breakdown online. There was no reason for him to get that way.

 

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7 hours ago, zafa said:

There should be some performance measuring tools to decide on mod and admins ..............

As I said, a lot goes on behind the scenes that members are unaware. There are criteria for becoming and remaining a moderator or administrator. 

The most important criterion is being a rule abiding non-controversial long term member. 

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On 10/30/2018 at 2:26 AM, Darth Vader said:

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I am very sorry to hear that. I for one still remember you although we may not have had much exchange. But then, its usually been like that. A few have always carried their biases and they come and go. I am not so immune either. Before my absence began I was being maneuvered on my way out. I have 8 warning points in total now. A few of the younglings could never sleep easy feeling "in charge" abusing their power. Its not their fault. What would you do if you had a shrine for Goku and I did not care at all about that? Such individuals will always be there and always have been. So don't worry about it. We need to take life easy.

Btw my purpose with this thread was MOSTLY to say HI , and that I am back. So, hi. :D I am not whinging. And I really did not intend to be serious about complaining. I do however preferred the old style of the website.

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The 'note for moderator' honestly made my day. I laughed out loud, litteraly. 

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

Brother @Darth Vader

Did you really get those 3 points for saying that?  

If so, I find that problematic. Unfortunately, because there is no consistency.  Don't call a zionist pedophile a Pile of Shoes it will give you a warning.  LOOOOL

 

 

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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8 hours ago, hasanhh said:

remarred

Do you purposely use 'marred' instead of 'married' every time, to connote the sinister aspect of the phenomenon?

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I note how people sit on the fence and refer to certain mods as being "abusers of power" etc. etc. without mentioning actual names. What is the value in that? It's like being at High School when everyone talks about people and events in hushed tones but no names are mentioned to teachers. I don't like this kind of duplicity. How can SC improve if they don't know who you are referring to in particular? I guess no one wants to be seen as the bad guy by outing people  - people want to be seen as being neutral and PC.

If I mentioned a mods name it is not a personal attack and neither am I underestimating his dedication or commitment to his role. In my opinion, I don't think that he bought closure on a particular thread correctly before closing it and this has coloured my view of his ability to fulfil his role aptly. It's my opinion. I also acknowledge with hindsight that this may have been a one off incident but at least I am brazen enough to refer to actual people. At least there's transparency for the reason of my complaint. A complaint without actual names is just slander in my opinion. 

I do appreciate all the hard work and hours that the mods put in. Thank you. 

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36 minutes ago, Aflower said:

I note how people sit on the fence and refer to certain mods as being "abusers of power" etc. etc. without mentioning actual names. What is the value in that? It's like being at High School when everyone talks about people and events in hushed tones but no names are mentioned to teachers. I don't like this kind of duplicity. How can SC improve if they don't know who you are referring to in particular? I guess no one wants to be seen as the bad guy by outing people  - people want to be seen as being neutral and PC.

There was a time over a few months that there was literally a banning spree and many posters left.  At least some of it was based on personal ideologies and had nothing to do with violating site rules.  Subjective criteria (always open to abuse) was used.  I was told by an angry mod with whom I disagreed (hence the anger) that they could ban me; I also heard this from others.   However, this is in the past and at this time, there is absolutely no value or constructive reason to identify anyone or I would... and I am definitely not one who needs to be seen as neutral or PC.

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48 minutes ago, Aflower said:

I note how people sit on the fence and refer to certain mods as being "abusers of power" etc. etc. without mentioning actual names. What is the value in that? It's like being at High School when everyone talks about people and events in hushed tones but no names are mentioned to teachers

Lolz. Well, you did choose one of the few good mods to speak about. You're lucky. If you mentioned the name of a mod who would be considered a "power" abuser you'd probably be kicked off in the blink of an eye. :hahaha: Or you'd get threatened. Or you'd get banned and be told to write an apology, because that's the only way you'll be allowed back on. 

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47 minutes ago, Aflower said:

I note how people sit on the fence and refer to certain mods as being "abusers of power" etc. etc. without mentioning actual names. What is the value in that? It's like being at High School when everyone talks about people and events in hushed tones but no names are mentioned to teachers. I don't like this kind of duplicity. How can SC improve if they don't know who you are referring to in particular? I guess no one wants to be seen as the bad guy by outing people  - people want to be seen as being neutral and PC.

If I mentioned a mods name it is not a personal attack and neither am I underestimating his dedication or commitment to his role. In my opinion, I don't think that he bought closure on a particular thread correctly before closing it and this has coloured my view of his ability to fulfil his role aptly. It's my opinion. I also acknowledge with hindsight that this may have been a one off incident but at least I am brazen enough to refer to actual people. At least there's transparency for the reason of my complaint. A complaint without actual names is just slander in my opinion. 

I do appreciate all the hard work and hours that the mods put in. Thank you. 

Bismehe Ta3ala, 

Assalam Alikum.

Dear sister if you have been on SC long enough you know who has beef with others.  I like how you compared it to h.s., because most definitely there is cliquish behavior.

For sure SC is not a secular site, I love how shias from across the globe come to this platform and exchange ideas, information and their opinions.  It's diverse and that's what keeps me coming back.  I know people who have unregistered who couldn't stand some individuals for their secular views and claim they follow Islam but are more likely to follow their brand of Islam and not Pure Islam of Rasoul Allah and AhulBayt.  I tell them, it's fine that's not the majority of the members, there are mo2mineen who are striving and are respectable.

I hope you participate more and stay active.  God bless you and thank you for your comment.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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