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Hellfire and the Creation of Evildoers

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Surely Allah (rabbul ‘izza) is All Knowing, the Most Wise. Why did Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى create some wrongdoers if He knew these wrongdoers will end up in hellfire. And even worse, why did He create some stubborn disbelievers who will receive eternal damnation? Surely He is not a God who likes to inflict pain unto His creation. If you say He gave mankind free will, then surely He has knowledge that which of these will use their free will for evil.

 

Jazakallah Khayr

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4 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Surely Allah (rabbul ‘izza) is All Knowing, the Most Wise. Why did Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى create some wrongdoers if He knew these wrongdoers will end up in hellfire. And even worse, why did He create some stubborn disbelievers who will receive eternal damnation? Surely He is not a God who likes to inflict pain unto His creation. If you say He gave mankind free will, then surely He has knowledge that which of these will use their free will for evil.

 

Jazakallah Khayr

Salaam

Allah has given us free will. He will judge us for his actions. 

It is wrong to blame Allah for the actions of people.

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Wsalam bro

Authubillah am not blaming Him سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى for our actions, but he has knowledge of which of His creation will do something deserving eternal damnation. So why did He create us. Who am I to disrespect Him or to question Him. For I am only following his command to think and to reflect, and insha’Allah I will get an answer.

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9 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

Is traffic accident Evil, if so, what is the cause of it? not following the law.

So, do you blame the traffic system for creating this evil? 

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If there were only two people in the world. What will be the cause of any evil? 

Oh I think I understand a bit.. so you are saying the Creation of free will necessitates evil as a byproduct.

Thanks for the answrr

JazakAllah

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Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven (which is more real than the visible world that we can see) is like unto...

He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?' He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, "Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn."'" - Matthew 13:24-30

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All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world."  Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field." He answered, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. - Matthew 13:34-43

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God knows who will pass or fail the test, however if He decided not to make mankind go through these tests and only reward or chastise according to His knowledge, people might easily object. But with the tests, God can present the result for the people for them to convict themselves


The result of that testing will be found wide open before us on Judgement Day leaving man with no excuse regarding what he "would have done" or not in any situation 17:13-14"And (for) every human, We have imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce to him on the day of resurrection a book which he will encounter wide open. Read your book; sufficient is yourself today against you as a reckoner".

God is Omniscient but His attribute of Justice necessitates that he does not merely reward and punish people on the basis of His knowledge but only after we manifest our good or evil potentials during trials, whose intricacies and higher wisdoms are with God 3:179"On no account will Allah leave the believers in the condition which you are in until He separates the evil from the good; nor is Allah going to make you acquainted with the unseen".

 

These actions are not considered "done" until actually and concretely materializing. Several examples are given in the Quran to illustrate that principle, among the most explicit is the child slain prior to becoming an evil, sinful person and therefore is not considered guilty of the sin he would have commited had he kept on living.

 

For this purpose did Allah 67:2"created death and life that He may try you-- which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving". God puts us through these tests so that He might see us acting out what He knew we would do, again because he does not hold one accountable on the basis of His foreknowledge otherwise people might present the fact that "they did not do it" the day they are raised for accountability 10:14"Then We made you successors in the land after them so that We may see how you act". Wanting to see what you will do does not suggest that He does not know what you will do. He wants to see your actions when they happen on the ground although he knew that they will happen before. One may ask why? the reason is that we are accountable only to what we actually do. So, we are not accountable for our acts that are in God's knowledge until we do them and He observes them happen for fact, and the verb "ilm" is not simply "knowing" but also conveys the sense of knowing factually, ie in concrete.

 

One of Atheists' favorite attack on God is that His Omniscience contradicts human freewill. Since God cannot be wrong then the person is compelled to choose what God has foreseen. If God knows the person will choose A, then choice B becomes impossible. However nobody will ever explain the physical process by which one is compelled to follow one course instead of another. The relationship between omniscience and moral accountability is something known, for now, to God only and any attempt at understanding it is mere conjecture 6:148-9.

 

To a believer holding the opinion that God lives outside of time -which is another of His creations- the question "if God knows I will choose A, can i choose B?" starts with a wrong premise since it is speaking from the perspective of two different entities, one being affected by time (human) the other living outside of it since it is His own creation along with all things outside of Him. God created both space and time, since both can only exist in the presence of a material universe. The notion of when and where thus began after the creation of the universe. Since He precedes all creation the spacetime dimension is therefore not a factor to Him. He can see and influence the present while remaining beyond time and space. This reality from God's perspective is stated in the Quran in several ways, including through literary devices when it uses past tenses for future events.

 

Things unfolding in the future, being created or destroyed a thousand year from now is from our perspective, but from God's these things have already happened so when one asks whether he can choose B instead of A he is in fact asking if he can choose something else than what he already chose. In reality there is no future or God foreseeing anything, time is only from our perspective.

 

God is therefore not in the midst of the stream of the succeeding moments of time, as is the case with humans. He does not design, He creates. God is not only without beginning or end of days, but with Him thousands of years are as one human day. Hence, God knows in one eternal intuition that which for the human consciousness is past, present and future. In a strict sense, therefore, there can be no foreknowledge or prescience with God, and the distinctions people make when speaking of God's knowledge is after all an anthropomorphism. Consequently to the fact that the only way the human mind can conceive of the Divine omniscience is in its relation to time, we attribute anthropomorphic expressions to God and picture Him reacting as things unfold from our perspective.

 

The Quran in verses such as 22:47 answers the disbelievers request of hastening on them the promised punishement. It tells them that a day for Allah is like 1000 years to us which indicates one day and a thousand days are indifferent for Allah and that the promise punishement will come on them as prophecied by the prophet, and it did come on them soon after 21:109"and I know not whether that which you are promised is near or far". Similarly in 70:4 Allah says that angels ascend to Him in a day equal to 50 thousand years, again because what men conceive of as "time" has no meaning with regard to God, because He is timeless 112:2, without beginning and without end 57:3, so that in relation to Him, one day and a thousand years or 50 thousand years are all alike. Particularly in 57:3 the Almighty states that He is the First, the Last, as well as being Over and Under everything. This verse is in the context of the Almighty's knowledge, as opposed to the knowledge of a human being. Our knowledge is confined by where we are, as well as the time of our existence. His existence is not encompassed by these restrictions of serial time.

 

Again in 16:77,54:50,70:6-7 Allah speaks of the Day of Judgement as far to us yet "like the twinkling of an eye, or closer still" to Him implying not only its unpredictability and suddeness, but also the absence of any time-interval between God's decreeing it and its materialization: and this explains the phrase "or closer still" at the end of the verse.

 

The Quran is also repleat with verses speaking of the future, in the past tense. This is not only a literary device conveying the idea of certainty that the event will unfold, as is most often the case, but it also shows that from God's perspective these things have already occured yet to us they still need to come into existence.

 

There are some flagrant examples conveying this idea that from Allah's perspective things have already happened and yet to us they will unfold in the future. When the Quran speaks of the people who misuse the property of orphans under their care, and eating benefits from their wealth as "swallowing fire" ie as if they are already in hell without perceiving. It also says that man literally builds his place in the hereafter through his current actions, like living in parallel, and he will be made to "inherit" his abode after death. In 11:119 the Quran says the word of God is already fulfilled regarding Him filling hell with a certain category of people spoken of in the previous verses. This shows that the utterance of these words happened in a realm not bound by time, and that the filling will happen after the Day of Judgement which is closer than the twinkling of an eye to God, ie there is no time space between its decree and its unfolding from Allah's perspective.

 

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5 hours ago, MartyS said:

 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, "Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn."'" - Matthew 13:24-30

hi we have some conclusion in shia islam too but it's about clay of people that both bad & good clay exists in everybody but we can choose to be bad or good & in judgment day these two types of clays will separate from each other like as native american quote that says what kind of wolf you feed .

Why did Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى create man, considering that He knew many of them would be bad and end up in the hellfire?
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Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى knows the fate of all people, and at the same time we are sure that many people will end up in Hell, therefore, if one of those in Hell asks Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى why He created him, while He knew that he was going to end up there, what will His answer be?
Concise answer

1) Punishment from Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is a result of man willingly disregarding divine guidance and not listening to the call of the ''outer'' and "inner" messengers.

2) The knowledge of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى regarding the way His creatures will act in different situations, in no way results in them being forced to take that method of action, and in other words, Allah's knowledge reveals His creatures’ course of action, nothing else.......

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa2707

 

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa1767

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa319

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa751

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa2112

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21 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Surely Allah (rabbul ‘izza) is All Knowing, the Most Wise. Why did Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى create some wrongdoers if He knew these wrongdoers will end up in hellfire. And even worse, why did He create some stubborn disbelievers who will receive eternal damnation? Surely He is not a God who likes to inflict pain unto His creation. If you say He gave mankind free will, then surely He has knowledge that which of these will use their free will for evil.

 

Jazakallah Khayr

As you correctly note, mankind has free will.  This means that evil people are responsible for their actions, and deserve to be punished for their evil.

But why would God create them in the first place if He knew they would end up in Hell?

Here is one reason.  To be given the opportunity to be good is a good thing.  God gave evil people the opportunity to be good.  Even though they didnt make use of this opportunity, it was still a good thing for God to give it to them

Here is another reason.  Consider what the world would be like if all the evil people in all history never existed.  It would be radically different wouldn't it?  For one, there wouldn't be much of the human evil that we know about from studying history.  But there also wouldn't be as much of the human good that was a direct response to this evil.  For instance, the sacrifice of Imam Hussain was an incredible good.  It was beautiful.  It contained many lessons for us, and has inspired generations of people to be better.  This sacrifice would not have occured had Yazid, Umar Sad, Shimr, etc not existed.

This shows that the existence of evil people, and evils actions, can potentially lead to even greater goods.  God, being all good, wants to maximise the good.  If possible, He wants to create the 'best possible world'.  This requires allowing evil.

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On 10/20/2018 at 9:17 AM, Ejaz said:

Surely Allah (rabbul ‘izza) is All Knowing, the Most Wise. Why did Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى create some wrongdoers if He knew these wrongdoers will end up in hellfire. And even worse, why did He create some stubborn disbelievers who will receive eternal damnation? Surely He is not a God who likes to inflict pain unto His creation. If you say He gave mankind free will, then surely He has knowledge that which of these will use their free will for evil.

 

Jazakallah Khayr

Because good doers are good only in relation to bad doers, like night isnight only in relation to day, down is in relation to up, left in relation to right etc...

So God intends to create only the good and only the good doers, but in order to so so, He has permitted to exist the evil and the evil doers.  It is precisely due to God wisdom that evil exists because it serves a good purpose.  So the fact of the matter is that evil is not evil per se, It is a relative evil.  From God’s eyes, all is good because each and every single “atom” serves a good purpose.  Even Shaytan is good, He is not evil per se.  shaytan is evil in a relative sense, evil in relation to whether or not we should follow him.  But the function of shaytan to misguide is good in as much as it gives meaning to function of guidance by the prophets.  Had there been not miguider then there would be no need to send a guider.

 

Edited by eThErEaL

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