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Donald Trump has speculated that “rogue killers” may have been responsible for the presumed death of Jamal Khashoggi, as Turkish investigators finally gained access to the Saudi consulate, 13 days after the missing Washington Post columnist was last seen there.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/15/turkey-jamal-khashoggi-granted-permission-search-saudi-arabia-consulate-istanbul

That's the most elegant solution which gets everybody off the hook.

Shame for the members of the assassination team, some of whom who are not so well connected in Saudi society may likely face jail time in a 5* prison. A bit like the Libyan stooges who ended up in a Scottish prison for the Lockerbie bombing. Likely there'll be blood money payments involved somewhere as well.

If they can settle this quickly, Davos in the Desert may also go ahead with some people who've pulled out agreeing to attend.

If, as I suspected, this was an attempt by MbS to put Trump in his place, this course of action would then have failed miserably.

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What I find absolutely hypocritical of the world is that Saudi kills thousands with the Yemen campaign and not a word from any government . Kill one journalist and all of a sudden their humanity wakes

LOOOOOOOOL

This assassination really is the gift that keeps giving.

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Was he possibly the "Mujtahidd" and possibly Israel who now has close connection with Saudis helped in exposing him? Else the known Jamal was no big deal...even if he knew too much!

The funniest thing I read today comes from 'Arab losers' who have no dignity and no shame! sellouts!

CNN: "Saudi Arabia has found support in a number of Arab allies, including Oman, Bahrain, Jordan, Lebanon, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt, which all put out statements Sunday saying they expressed solidarity with Saudi Arabia. The Palestinian Authority also put out a statement of support."  :grin:  :cool: 

Ohh yea, Saudi is hit with a natural disaster or some kind of big terrorist attacks, waste no time to express solidarity! Expressing solidarity with a state who is 'accused' of sending 15-men to chop a journalist into pieces, in a consulate, in a  friendly country?

CNN Also reported that Saudis are "preparing a report" :grin: that indicates that "interrogation went wrong" and Jamal was killed [accidentally] and will later present that version of report to the media... for the past few days they are working hard to draft such a news... especially after Turkish investigators claimed that they found evidence of murder in the consulate.

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16 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/15/turkey-jamal-khashoggi-granted-permission-search-saudi-arabia-consulate-istanbul

That's the most elegant solution which gets everybody off the hook.

Shame for the members of the assassination team, some of whom who are not so well connected in Saudi society may likely face jail time in a 5* prison. A bit like the Libyan stooges who ended up in a Scottish prison for the Lockerbie bombing. Likely there'll be blood money payments involved somewhere as well.

If they can settle this quickly, Davos in the Desert may also go ahead with some people who've pulled out agreeing to attend.

If, as I suspected, this was an attempt by MbS to put Trump in his place, this course of action would then have failed miserably.

I don't think there are many people who can go out publically and accept that explaination. It is true that people like Branson and Zuckerburg are only interested in $ and they would like the grab some of the Al Saud dollars. But the simple fact is that there are a few detail that make this explanation logically impossible. 

1) It has been widely reported and can be verified that the Saudi Embassy dismissed all Turkish for the day on the day of the assasination. Meaning that those who run the embassy, i.e. the heads of govt knew that something was going to happen that day. Otherwise why dismiss 'only' the Turkish embassy workers ? 

2) They entered and exited the embassy as a team, with no protest from embassy employees. That is on camera. How can it be explained how a team of 15 'rogue killers' entered an embassy with weapons and all together without so much as a 'peep' from embassy employees and without them alerting anyone, even the Turkish authorities to the situation ? Also, after the assasination, they gracefully existed, drove 200m and entered the official residence of the ambassador, drove into an underground garage, then quickly drove out in a few minutes, all with the staff opening doors for them ? Even Seal Team 6 couldn't pull this kind of an operation off this seamlessly and without raising any suspicion from anyone in the area or getting shot at. And the Saudi's are not Seal Team 6. That is for sure. 

3) If it was a 'rogue team of killers' why was the scene completely cleaned up and sanitized afterwards ? You would think that they would not want to clean up the scene and would want to preserve evidence so that the 'rogue team of killers' could be caught ? 

4) Why did the Saudi authorities wait two weeks before letting Turkish investigators into the embassy ? 

5) If it was a 'rogue team of killers', how is it that they brought a bone saw with them ? The only reason you would bring such an instrument is if you knew beforehand you would have enough time to not only kill the target, but dismember and package the body into boxes. This process of dismembering is not easy and takes hours to do. Ergo, they knew that they would have hours afterward to do the dismemberment. How were they sure they would have that much time, and that in that time noone would alert the authorities to a killing that just happened inside an embassy? 

So if they have an explaination for the above points, I will consider they explaination. I don't think they have one though.

Those people who are stupid enough to buy the Saudi and Trumpian explanation are not fooling anyone. It is a extremely thinly veiled attempt to 'cover' for their buddies and their business interests with no regard for justice, truth, or human life. I think any rational person would recognize that. 

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31 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

If it was a 'rogue team of killers',

with this statement from Trump case closed for world but it shows that mastermind behind Saud Family & Trump family & Nethanyahu  actions is Jared Kushner .

Jared Kushner's role in Saudi Arabia's alliance with the U.S.

https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/jared-kushner-s-role-in-saudi-arabia-s-alliance-with-the-u-s-1344473667890?v=raila&

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2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I don't think there are many people who can go out publically and accept that explaination.

We're talking about an excuse that allows business as usual. That's all the West wanted from the get-go. You are right, this excuse is bloody feeble, but it's all the West has to go on.

 

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Democracy in action.

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In the months before, Kushner identified MBS as a potential partner. The state department and the CIA backed Mohammed bin Nayef, the incumbent crown prince at the time, but the first son-in-law insisted that he had “reliable intelligence” – most likely from the Israeli president, Benjamin Netanyahu, a Kushner family friend – that Mohammed Bin Salman was the man to bet on. The prophecy became self-fulfilling as wholehearted support from Washington aided Mhis rise, eventually eclipsing and replacing Nayef.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/16/jared-kushner-trump-saudi-khashoggi-mbs

So Saudis elect who they are told to by Americans, who are passing on instructions from the Israelis. 

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7 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Democracy in action.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/16/jared-kushner-trump-saudi-khashoggi-mbs

So Saudis elect who they are told to by Americans, who are passing on instructions from the Israelis. 

Here are a couple of links to go with this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/investing/saudi-arabia-global-investments/index.html 

For who runs the Vision Fund:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-27/softbank-s-100-billion-vision-fund-is-run-by-these-10-men 

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BEIRUT, Lebanon — This summer, Saudi Arabia promised the Trump administration $100 million for American efforts to stabilize areas in Syria liberated from the Islamic State.

That money landed in American accounts on Tuesday, the same day that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo landed in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, for discussions with the kingdom’s leaders about the fate of a missing Saudi dissident.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-money-syria.html

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1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

How / why is the US involved?

Was Khashogghi a US citizen? 

No. He was a 'green card' holder (permanent resident).

But, he was a contributor for Washington Post since he moved to the US and was living in DC I believe for the last few years! Some of his works were done in criticizing Bin Salman's policies and published by WP!

Anyhow, US is getting involved because of the expectations from ppl and governments across the globe... the so called champion of HumanRights and a country who bow-down to Oil and dollar when it comes to its Arab and Wahabi allies... but then goes and imposes sanctions on countries for lack of human rights and harsh political system... when things like this surface that is totally uncontrollable and cannot be lied about, so they find a way for these hypocrites to still say something but to cool down things and cover up for their allies such as terror-sponsor Gulf allies, Alqaida and extremist groups in Syria, Kings and monarchs, coup leaders and military generals who place the entire nations under their heavy military boots!

Trump and close friends already announced that they have very good and solid relations with Saudi Arabia, they need it against "terrorists" (?) and that business is done as usual because too much money is involved to care for a journalist, expose terrorist activities, or question a tyrant's behaviors against his nation...

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As the world learnt about Khashoggi's disappearance, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo criticized Iran's "malign behavior" in a Foreign Affairs magazine op-ed, accusing the Islamic Republic of terrorism and identifying it, alongside Pyongyang, as two of Washington's top threats.

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"If that isn't 'malign behavior' and 'terrorism,' what is?" Hunter wrote, referring to Riyadh's alleged involvement in the Khashoggi case.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/18/us-saudi-arabia-ties-iran-may-benefit-from-jamal-khashoggi-case.html

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The spirit of Jack Ruby is alive and well:

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A Turkish newspaper reported on Oct. 18 that one of the suspects involved in the disappearance of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi died in a “suspicious car accident” in Riyadh.

Daily Hürriyet columnist Abdulkadir Selvi claimed on Oct. 18 that Saudi Arabia’s Istanbul consul Mohammad al-Otaibi could be “the next execution” as Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman “would do anything to get rid of evidence.”

 

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudi-suspect-in-khashoggi-case-dies-in-car-accident-report-138007

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5 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

The spirit of Jack Ruby is alive and well:

Reminds me of the SEAL Team that killed UBL. Shortly there after, while riding in a helicopter it was "shot down" by the Taliban. However, the platoon of Marines -many of whom were watching the chopper- said there was no missile, only an explosion. Plus, the Taliban has had no SAMs and have been only able to attack helicopters while landing at a few places with RPGs.

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4 hours ago, Laayla said:

In light of recent events of Jamal Khashoggi, must watch!

 

Very informative. Thank you sister for posting this. It is a good summary of current issues in a few words. 

It reminds me of the hadith from Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h) who said 'If you marry a women for her beauty, Allah(s.w.a) will  leave you with that beauty only'. Meaning that you will have a beautiful women, but all the other qualities that you desire, a women who is moral, truthful, trustworthy, friendly, good company, etc, you will be deprived of that. It is close to what Government of Al Saud has become. They have oil, so because they have oil, they have the wealth from the oil. They have nothing else. No morals, no truth, no justice, no religion, no even intellect or cleverness, no civility, no culture, nothing to offer humanity at all except petro dollars which they steal from the people of the ME. These are the Sharif Haramain. I have no words for how unfortunate this is. May Allah(s.w.a) bring about their downfall thru the hand of the Imam Al Asr(a.f.s), quickly, quickly, please !!

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3 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

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As received

While that is true, I don't think it is appropriate to bring it up now. At the end, he stood up to the Thalimeen, and paid a heavy price. 

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Just now, Abu Hadi said:

While that is true, I don't think it is appropriate to bring it up now. At the end, he stood up to the Thalim, and paid a heavy price. 

Just posted what I received.

However, not sure if he stood up to thalim as much as had a falling out with thalim.

 

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18 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

While that is true, I don't think it is appropriate to bring it up now. At the end, he stood up to the Thalim, and paid a heavy price. 

He had blood of Sheikh al-Nimr on his hand because of his pen ,he stood  up the new  Thalim in favor of Other Thalim ,his mistake was that he chooses the wrong prince .

Khashoggi picked wrong prince

https://youtu.be/zRG8lA3v0sg

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6 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

He has blood of Sheikh al-Nimr on his hand because of his pen ,he stood  up the new  Thalim in favor of Other Thalim ,his mistake was that he chooses the wrong prince .

I'm going to reserve judgement on that point for now (regarding Sheik Nimr(ra)). You might be right. He definitely chose the wrong Prince. 

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Looks like we may have a 'culprit', kinda neat (and just) that the person being blamed also has links to the Saudi campaign in Yemen:

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The Saudi rulers are expected to say that General Assiri received oral authorization from Prince Mohammed to capture Mr. Khashoggi for an interrogation in Saudi Arabia, but either misunderstood his instructions or overstepped that authorization and took the dissident’s life, according to two of the people familiar with the Saudi plans. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief journalists.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html

But the tenor of the NY Times story is that it may not be enough ...

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