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21 hours ago, Nokar e Ali said:

.One thing that doesn’t make her satisfy is questioning Muhammad (saww) wives, as why did he had multiple wives and she compares him to Jesus saying that Jesus had a simple life with pure soul because he never married any woman. And why are Muslims allowed to merry 4 wives? I will really appreciate if you could answer these questions so that she can understand better about them. 
Thanks 

Is not married to any women make a Prophet superior to other Prophets? How about his messages, mission,  coverage and actions?  

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Just now, ShiaMan14 said:

Therein lies the problem.

The Shakers we not of the "bad" sort as cults go. lf you were one of the orphans they raised you were not arm-twisted into staying and you'd be welcome to visit. Shakers were also innovators, but l forget the specifics but perusing a decent paper or book on them will give you an appreciation.

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22 hours ago, Nokar e Ali said:

AoA. I’m a Shia living in USA. I’ve a friend who is Christian and she wants to know more about Islam (Shia’ism). One thing that doesn’t make her satisfy is questioning Muhammad (saww) wives, as why did he had multiple wives and she compares him to Jesus saying that Jesus had a simple life with pure soul because he never married any woman. And why are Muslims allowed to merry 4 wives? I will really appreciate if you could answer these questions so that she can understand better about them. 
Thanks 

Salam, 

The root of her issue is seeing sexual activity as something negative or irreligious or mundane. This is a very Christian perspective. All of Christian saints and spiritual figures are virgins or celibate; for example, Jesus, Mary, popes, priests, nuns, and .... 

Celibacy or shunning sexual activities is considered more spiritual and more pious than non-celibacy. In Christianity, there's this underlying conflict or battle between the spirit and the flesh/body. Whatever or most things, including sex, that are pleasurable by the body, according to them, strengthens the body and weakens the spirit. 

This notion has no place in Islam. Physical pleasure, including halal sex, is not just permissible but recommended; even if sex is just for pleasure and not for reproductive purposes. Catholicism, for example, sees the pleasure aspect of sex as a divine "side effect" of its procreative purpose, which is the main purpose to have sex. Sex, just for pleasure, isn't permissible, which is why they hold such a strong position against contraceptives or even coitus interruptus, which is completely permissible in Islam. 

When a Christian views the prophet from the above-mentoned perspective, she would consider him less holy and more body-oriented than spirit-oriented; because she's comparing him to her spiritual figures, who all shunned sex.Therefore, she'd have problems with polygamy, and a huge problem with temporary marriages. 

Unfortunately, this Christian perspective, which can be linked back to Manicheanism, has had a strong influence on Islam and muslims, too. Nowadays, there are plenty of Muslims, who consider sex to be just a physical act only for physical pleasure and separate it from spirituality and religion. This is a mistake!

This mistaken view is deeply rooted within Christianity. 

This mistaken position has no place in Islam!

Once your friend understands this, once she views halal sex as a spiritual deed, just like eating halal food, always having God in mind, her view on the prophet's marriages and sex life will, most likely, change. 

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16 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Salam, 

The root of her issue is seeing sexual activity as something negative or irreligious or mundane. This is a very Christian perspective. All of Christian saints and spiritual figures are virgins or celibate; for example, Jesus, Mary, popes, priests, nuns, and .... 

Celibacy or shunning sexual activities is considered more spiritual and more pious than non-celibacy. In Christianity, there's this underlying conflict or battle between the spirit and the flesh/body. Whatever or most things, including sex, that are pleasurable by the body, according to them, strengthens the body and weakens the spirit. 

This notion has no place in Islam. Physical pleasure, including halal sex, is not just permissible but recommended; even if sex is just for pleasure and not for reproductive purposes. Catholicism, for example, sees the pleasure aspect of sex as a divine "side effect" of its procreative purpose, which is the main purpose to have sex. Sex, just for pleasure, isn't permissible, which is why they hold such a strong position against contraceptives or even coitus interruptus, which is completely permissible in Islam. 

When a Christian views the prophet from the above-mentoned perspective, she would consider him less holy and more body-oriented than spirit-oriented; because she's comparing him to her spiritual figures, who all shunned sex.Therefore, she'd have problems with polygamy, and a huge problem with temporary marriages. 

Unfortunately, this Christian perspective, which can be linked back to Manicheanism, has had a strong influence on Islam and muslims, too. Nowadays, there are plenty of Muslims, who consider sex to be just a physical act only for physical pleasure and separate it from spirituality and religion. This is a mistake!

This mistaken view is deeply rooted within Christianity. 

This mistaken position has no place in Islam!

Once your friend understands this, once she views halal sex as a spiritual deed, just like eating halal food, always having God in mind, her view on the prophet's marriages and sex life will, most likely, change. 

Great answer

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The Christian position on sex doesn't really have congruence with the old testament, the bible has erotic love poetry after all. 
Proverbs 5 18-19

Let your fountain be blessed,
And rejoice with the wife of your youth.
19 As a loving deer and a graceful doe,
Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
And always be enraptured with her love.
 

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Tell her read her own book.

2 Samuel 12:8
8. I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms.  I gave you the house of Israel and Judah.  And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
   

GOD Almighty here supposedly says that He gave to David Saul's wives, and GOD would have even given him more wives if he (David) wanted.

Source:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm

 

 

The question of polygamy is an interesting one in that most people today view polygamy as immoral while the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns it. The first instance of polygamy/bigamy in the Bible was that of Lamech in Genesis 4:19: “Lamech married two women.”

 

source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/polygamy.html

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1 hour ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

Tell her read her own book.

2 Samuel 12:8
8. I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms.  I gave you the house of Israel and Judah.  And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
   

GOD Almighty here supposedly says that He gave to David Saul's wives, and GOD would have even given him more wives if he (David) wanted.

Source:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm

 

 

The question of polygamy is an interesting one in that most people today view polygamy as immoral while the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns it. The first instance of polygamy/bigamy in the Bible was that of Lamech in Genesis 4:19: “Lamech married two women.”

 

source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/polygamy.html

They say the New Testament abrogated the Old Testaments or at least the laws of the OT.

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On 10/2/2018 at 5:30 AM, Nokar e Ali said:

AoA. I’m a Shia living in USA. I’ve a friend who is Christian and she wants to know more about Islam (Shia’ism). One thing that doesn’t make her satisfy is questioning Muhammad (saww) wives, as why did he had multiple wives and she compares him to Jesus saying that Jesus had a simple life with pure soul because he never married any woman. And why are Muslims allowed to merry 4 wives? I will really appreciate if you could answer these questions so that she can understand better about them. 
Thanks 

Salam , Jesus call was mainly for jews that they had multiple wives issue so he shows them that people can live with lesser wives ,there is still a theory that he had a wife but it droped from history but call of prophet Muhammad (pbu) was for whole world through non violent acts opposite as Sunni & christian sources claim it ,the best non violent act for calling Arabs to Islam was through tribal weddings that still is a powerful tool till now ,that after marrying prophet (pbu) with a wife from that tribe they would accept Islam because of wedding connection to that tribe through prophet (pbu) without war but after prophet (pbu) Islam was spread enough that no more wedding was required & it limited to 4 wives because of 4:1 ratio of women to men also most of women were losting their former husbands in wars so they need a new supporter.

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12 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Salam, 

The root of her issue is seeing sexual activity as something negative or irreligious or mundane. This is a very Christian perspective. All of Christian saints and spiritual figures are virgins or celibate; for example, Jesus, Mary, popes, priests, nuns, and .... 

Celibacy or shunning sexual activities is considered more spiritual and more pious than non-celibacy. In Christianity, there's this underlying conflict or battle between the spirit and the flesh/body. Whatever or most things, including sex, that are pleasurable by the body, according to them, strengthens the body and weakens the spirit. 

This notion has no place in Islam. Physical pleasure, including halal sex, is not just permissible but recommended; even if sex is just for pleasure and not for reproductive purposes. Catholicism, for example, sees the pleasure aspect of sex as a divine "side effect" of its procreative purpose, which is the main purpose to have sex. Sex, just for pleasure, isn't permissible, which is why they hold such a strong position against contraceptives or even coitus interruptus, which is completely permissible in Islam. 

When a Christian views the prophet from the above-mentoned perspective, she would consider him less holy and more body-oriented than spirit-oriented; because she's comparing him to her spiritual figures, who all shunned sex.Therefore, she'd have problems with polygamy, and a huge problem with temporary marriages. 

Unfortunately, this Christian perspective, which can be linked back to Manicheanism, has had a strong influence on Islam and muslims, too. Nowadays, there are plenty of Muslims, who consider sex to be just a physical act only for physical pleasure and separate it from spirituality and religion. This is a mistake!

This mistaken view is deeply rooted within Christianity. 

This mistaken position has no place in Islam!

Once your friend understands this, once she views halal sex as a spiritual deed, just like eating halal food, always having God in mind, her view on the prophet's marriages and sex life will, most likely, change. 

The bible completely contradicts what they are saying though. You can prove them wrong by using the bible and show proof the sex is not just for procreatung but also for pleasure,  there is a whole song called the Song of Solomon i think on sexual pleasure. The prohibition was invented by Trinitarians to get there fabricated beliefs spreaded everywhere by making their followers having kids obligatory if they get married and no sexual pleasure at all (which btw completely contradicts the bible). 

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6 hours ago, Anonymous2144 said:

The bible completely contradicts what they are saying though. You can prove them wrong by using the bible and show proof the sex is not just for procreatung but also for pleasure,  there is a whole song called the Song of Solomon i think on sexual pleasure. The prohibition was invented by Trinitarians to get there fabricated beliefs spreaded everywhere by making their followers having kids obligatory if they get married and no sexual pleasure at all (which btw completely contradicts the bible). 

Two points: 

1) Almost all Christians are Trinitarians. 

2) Christians either cherry-pick when it comes to the Old Testament or mostly dismiss it. They only use the parts that is in line with Christian theology. Everything else is considered to be part of the Old Covenant. 

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On 10/2/2018 at 2:57 AM, hasanhh said:

Those evilgelicals ignore the 0ld Testament at their own loss and peril. There are also no Words of the Devil in the 0.T. after the Garden story in Genesis.

 

You cannot say that.  Isa-a.s. is a rasulallah and we have what is revealed in Ayat 13:38.

Wait Isa a.s did marry? 

Edited by eloquence
Forgot I can say Isa here

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On 10/1/2018 at 9:00 PM, Nokar e Ali said:

AoA. I’m a Shia living in USA. I’ve a friend who is Christian and she wants to know more about Islam (Shia’ism). One thing that doesn’t make her satisfy is questioning Muhammad (saww) wives, as why did he had multiple wives and she compares him to Jesus saying that Jesus had a simple life with pure soul because he never married any woman. And why are Muslims allowed to merry 4 wives? I will really appreciate if you could answer these questions so that she can understand better about them. 
Thanks 

There is a short version and a long version to this answer. If she wants to know more, I would be happy to go into more detail. 

The short version is that, in Islam, each Prophet was sent for a general purpose (the conveyance of the Message of God(s.w.a) to the People) as well as a specific purpose that would be relevant to the people of that time and place. Also each Prophet had different life circumstances as well as a specific lifespan. Each of these points requires many pages to fully explain, but I will try to do it briefly here

Jesus(peace be upon him) was sent to a specific group of people, the Jews of 1st Century Palestine, specifically the area around Jerusalem. If you look at how the society was structured at that time, it was a highly stratified society, with a small group at the top(Rabbis of the Temple and Roman Governors) who controlled the wealth of the society, and then you had the vast masses of people who aspired to be like that small group at the top. This aspiration to be like this small group, as well as the corruption caused by the small group appropriating the wealth for themselves had turned the society into an extremely materialistic and cold hearted society where religion was a mere show and something on people's lips which didn't penetrate into the heart. 

Jesus came to this society in order to turn the people toward God and to show them that there is another way besides materialism and emulation of those at the top. Since those at the top not only appropriated most of the wealth, but most of the women for themselves, Jesus practically demonstrated that you could be close to God and live a Holy Life without material things and without many women around you. This demonstration was to counteract the Rabbinical power structure of the time that was based around the Temple and taught the people that you couldn't be close to God unless you were a temple Rabbi and controlled wealth and other parts of society. Jesus(p.b.u.h) was a revolutionary, and his goal was to overturn the power structure of the time which was corrupting society in the guise of religion. This is why the Rabbis and the Roman Government conspired to kill him, because he was a direct threat to their power and spoke out against them regularly and was not afraid of them, but Allah(s.w.a) had other plans and saved him from that. Also, Jesus was taken from this world while he as still a young man (most believe in his early 30s).

Prophet Muhammad came to a different group of people with a different social structure, without going to deep into this. In the early years of Islam, the muslims were being attacked from all sides by different tribes. The only way for Prophet Muhammad to secure an alliance with a tribe was, most of the time, to marry a women from that tribe. This was a custom of the Arabs of Hijaz which was not a custom of the Jews of Palestine. If he did not do this, and did not secure these alliances, who knows what would have became of the early community of muslims, who were small in number compared to the pagan Arabs of the surrounding communities. Also, most of the women that Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) married, were not young women, but were, most of the time, older women who needed someone to help and support them. At that time, if a women didn't have a 'waqil' , male protector, she would have had an extremely difficult life. So because the Prophet was compassionate, he was trying to save them from that. Also, Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) lived till he was 63 years old. When he was in his late 20s and early 30s, the same age Prophet Jesus(p.b.u.h) was when he left the Earth, he was still also single and most of his life from his early 30s to his late 50s, was married to only one women, Khadija(a.s). 

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2 hours ago, eloquence said:

Wait Isa a.s did marry? 

From what Quran reveals he did.

The Catholics have always persecuted anyone who said Isa-a.s. was married and had children.

Since there is no record of it and we don't want crazy stuff like the Tai Ping Rebellion getting started anywhere.

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27 minutes ago, eloquence said:

Where is it?

The cited Ayat, 13:38.

Personally, l do not attach any significance to a family lsa-a.s. had.  We know Noah-a.s.' son didn't believe and the same with Lut's-a.s. wife. Plus, as said in mosque, the Prophet's-s.a.w.s. son died in infancy so there would be no claims to any kind of succession.

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