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Carlzone

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Salam aleykom, 

I have heard that it's halal to do an abortion if the soul has yet not entered the foetus. Is this true? And if so, when does the soul enter the foetus? 

Also, is it halal to use those pills that abort the foetus the day after it was conceived? 

(And no, I'm not pregnant in case someone thinks I am).

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On 9/28/2018 at 1:20 PM, Carlzone said:

(And no, I'm not pregnant in case someone thinks I am).

Salam. Why would someone think you are pregnant? Haven't you made it clear that you are not married?

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What you have been told is false. Abortion is never halal, however, it isn't considered murder if the soul has not entered the fetus. 

The soul is thought to enter the fetus around 4 lunar months. The youngest that a baby has been prematurely born and survived (so far) is 21 weeks and 4 days. 

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17 minutes ago, notme said:

What you have been told is false. Abortion is never halal, however, it isn't considered murder if the soul has not entered the fetus. 

The soul is thought to enter the fetus around 4 lunar months. The youngest that a baby has been prematurely born and survived (so far) is 21 weeks and 4 days. 

Ok, so an abortion before month 4 is not considered murder islamically, but is still a sin according to islam? Did I understand that correctly? 

And if so, how severe is this sin considered? What's the penalty for it?

And is it still a sin if you take those pills the day after? As far as I know it can take up to 5 days before true conception happens. If that is true then a pill the day after shouldn't be haram or am I wrong? 

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2 hours ago, Carlzone said:

And if so, how severe is this sin considered? 

Imam Ali said " Do not look at how "small" your sin, but rather, look at how great the one that you're disobeying." 

As for the rest of your questions, I've never read detailed rulings. The idea of abortion is abhorrent to me so I've not looked into loopholes for its permissibility. You should consult your marja or another trusted scholar, or research the relevant hadiths yourself. 

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2 hours ago, Carlzone said:

Ok, so an abortion before month 4 is not considered murder islamically, but is still a sin according to islam? Did I understand that correctly? 

And if so, how severe is this sin considered? What's the penalty for it?

And is it still a sin if you take those pills the day after? As far as I know it can take up to 5 days before true conception happens. If that is true then a pill the day after shouldn't be haram or am I wrong? 

The morning after pill is not an abortion. If the baby was conceived then the pregnancy will happen regardless if you take that pill... if the baby was not conceived yet what it does is prevent conception from happening so that you don't get pregnant. It's just aprecautionary pill that you take but it's not an abortion. Hope that makes sense.

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6 minutes ago, Reza said:

Even if the mother’s life is in danger? I thought this was the exception.

Eating pork or drinking alcohol are allowed in cases of life or death. Even denying Islam is allowed. 

So yes, this is technically true, but hardly worth mention. 

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What if the woman is unable to use birth control pills or she is forced to marry someone and people want her to become a mother so that she has to remain stuck in marriage forever? I have told my family in clear words: if you ever force me to marry someone, I will assume that if forced marriage is halal, abortion is also halal. 

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I’ve heard that when the soul hasn’t entered the fetus, it would be all right to get an abortion (but disliked), and only in cases where the mother’s life is in danger (like in danger of dying, or coma, etc.) will it be halal to get an abortion.

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8 hours ago, ireallywannaknow said:

The morning after pill is not an abortion. If the baby was conceived then the pregnancy will happen regardless if you take that pill... if the baby was not conceived yet what it does is prevent conception from happening so that you don't get pregnant. It's just aprecautionary pill that you take but it's not an abortion. Hope that makes sense.

Do you know if it is dangerous for the baby's health if the mother took the pill when the conception already had taken place? 

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6 hours ago, rkazmi33 said:

What if the woman is unable to use birth control pills or she is forced to marry someone and people want her to become a mother so that she has to remain stuck in marriage forever? I have told my family in clear words: if you ever force me to marry someone, I will assume that if forced marriage is halal, abortion is also halal. 

Sis, nobody can force you to marry anyone. You decide who you want to marry. Period.

And there are many methods for birth control. I'm sure you can find something that works for you. Unfortunately in my family women are superfertile and get pregnant even when using birth control methods. 

And make sure you don't do an abortion unless it's halal. God will not accept you commiting something haram because others treated you badly. That's not a valid excuse before God.

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6 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

I’ve heard that when the soul hasn’t entered the fetus, it would be all right to get an abortion (but disliked), and only in cases where the mother’s life is in danger (like in danger of dying, or coma, etc.) will it be halal to get an abortion.

Exactly what I have heard. But I don't know the source for this. Do you by chance know the source? 

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7 hours ago, notme said:

From A Code of Practice for Muslims in the West:

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Thank you! This was very valuable information! 

I interpret that as it's not permissible to abort the baby unless it's really the only way out. I wonder what an example of such a situation would be? 

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44 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

I wonder what an example of such a situation would be? 

Medical issues. Possibly cases in which her husband or father will murder her, but that conflicts with the other ruling which gives no exception in cases of adultery or fornication. Other extreme cases that nobody could ever think of. 

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28 minutes ago, notme said:

Medical issues. Possibly cases in which her husband or father will murder her, but that conflicts with the other ruling which gives no exception in cases of adultery or fornication. Other extreme cases that nobody could ever think of. 

Most probably cases of extreme anemia or some ailment which could get worse under pregnancy and cause severe threat to the life of the mother.

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59 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Let me make it clear to everyone, after the soul enters the fetus you cant abort the baby for what EVER reason. 

I believe in a case in which the mother would die and also the baby will die, an exception is made. I'm not certain, but it does seem irrational for a life to be given up for no life, when one of them could have been saved. 

I believe also if the child has died in the womb the pregnancy can be aborted. A woman should not be obligated to carry a dead baby longer than until she knows and the child can be safely removed for burial. 

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1 minute ago, notme said:

I believe in a case in which the mother would die and also the baby will die, an exception is made. I'm not certain, but it does seem irrational for a life to be given up for no life, when one of them could have been saved. 

I dont think so here either. I think the response will be to do Dua and hope for a miracle. Not certain as well tho.

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sayyed fadlallah fatwa on abortion 

From the perspective of the Religious Authority, Sayyed Muhammad Hussein Fadlullah:

Abortion is prohibited in Islam starting from the stage in which the ovum is fertilized and becomes stuck to the wall of the womb, since at this stage the life of the fetus starts. Thus, abortion is prohibited because life should be respected from its very beginning. We mean by life here, the life in its normal circumstances that are found in the mother's body. 

A Jurisprudential debate about abortion:

There are two jurisprudential views regarding abortion: 

Firstly: "If pregnancy would cause the woman a severe and abnormal danger, rather than the normal dangers that are due to pregnancy, or if pregnancy would cause her a serious difficulty that she could not tolerate, in this case, some religious jurists, including our teacher, Sayyed Abu Al-Kasim El-Khoei, permit abortion on the basis of the Quranic rule: “and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion” (22:78). We agree with him on this ruling because continuing the pregnancy would cause a real danger and a serious damage to the woman's body, while, Allah did not impose on man any harmful or difficult ruling. 

Secondly: "If the pregnancy puts the mother's life in a real danger, in this case, some religious jurists such as Sayyed El-Khouei permit the woman to protect herself even through undergoing abortion and we agree with him because the problem here is not a matter of a primary killing, rather it is a matter of protecting oneself. Some describe this case by saying that it is like when you are sleeping and an imprudent person throws himself on you with all his weight, and thus he constitutes a danger on your life in which you cannot save yourself except by pushing him away in a way that he may die. In this case, it is permissible for you to do so in order to defend yourself". On the other hand "Some religious jurists say that they are waiting till Allah rules on this issue and they do not give any opinion regarding it". 

But, if both, the mother and her fetus are in danger, in this case, the mother has the right to protect herself by undergoing abortion and no one else has the right to do so, whether the doctor, the child's guardian or the religious scholar, except if the latter permits so in a ruling. It is also permissible for the doctor to abort her if her life would be saved from the absolute danger and there should not be any precautionary ruling on this matter. 

But, if the woman who became pregnant as a result of committing adultery or by a temporary marriage (Mutaa or another kind of marriages), sees that the pregnancy puts her in a difficulty and danger from the society she lives in, in this case, it is permissible for her to abort herself. Thus, if continuing the pregnancy puts her life in a danger, or brings her a big shame that is usually unbearable, abortion is permissible but on condition that the fetus should not be in a stage in which he is considered to be given the spirit, unless if the woman's life is in an absolute danger. 

Besides, it is impermissible to abort the child who is born as a result of adultery, just because he is an illegitimate child and there is no justification for that, except in one case, that is if the mother is afraid on her life, such as if her parents might kill her. 

In some cases, it is permissible for the woman to undergo abortion. Hence, if we consider that she was raped, abortion is prohibited if that causes her only a bad feeling. But, if that may also cause a social disgrace that is usually unbearable due to the social circumstances; in this case, abortion is permissible on condition that the fetus is not considered to be given the spirit. In other cases, a woman may be raped or deceived and thus she became pregnant and would be killed, in this case, it is permissible for her to undergo abortion to save her life.

The Father's relation with the issue of abortion:

The father has nothing to do with this issue whether that causes him damage or not. Hence, the issue of pregnancy is related only to the woman and not to the man, and the woman is the one who might be in danger. Therefore, the process of permissibility and prohibition is related to the woman only. 

The fetus's deformity does not justify abortion 

Many people may suffer from the problem of the fetus's deformity. In Islam, it is prohibited in general to abort the deformed fetus; otherwise, it would be permissible for us to kill deformed persons. And if we are going to kill deformed people or fetuses, why do we then establish hospitals and sanatoriums for deformed people? Moreover, if it is permissible to kill the deformed fetus, why is it prohibited to kill him when he is growing up? Both, the deformed fetus and the deformed person represent a problem in people's views. Then, why do not we think that medicine may become more advanced and help in a way or another in treating this deformity. 

Moreover, undergoing abortion because the woman was exposed to a radioactive material and that the fetus may have been deformed is impermissible. That is because "abortion is permissible only if the pregnant woman is in danger and not if the fetus is deformed". 

Regarding the opinion that says that medicine can make a precise diagnosis that can discover deformed fetuses who would not live, such as discovering some fetuses who do not have skulls, we consider that "this issue may be related to the moral aspect that has to do with life. Is the creature's life considered an ordinary issue that is subjected to material elements? Which means that a creature will be born and I do not want him to make me tired, so I kill him?! Moreover, I believe that some cases are not impossible to be treated because medicine has made progress in these domains. Therefore, why do not we give him a chance to live? And as we said, if we supposed that the issue is that the deformed child will make us tired, so, why do we support and provide for the elderly and handicapped and the like? And why do those who suffer from incurable diseases live and feel pain? This issue is a matter of principle." 

On the other hand, there is no extraordinary one hundred percent diagnosis because there might be an error in the machine and the diagnosis might be wrong. Therefore, we cannot give a decisive ruling for killing every fetus that is diagnosed as deformed. Besides, some persons might be wrongly diagnosed as deformed and then we discover that the diagnosis was wrong. I had a personal experience in this respect; my wife was pregnant and sick and doctors said that the baby will absolutely be deformed, but in the end he was one of my most beautiful children. Consequently, general laws could not be comprehensive.

They may not apply on 30 percent of the cases. And the thirty percent could be raised in many cases to seventy percent. Therefore, we have to accept the negativities in our life so that the general law that protects positivity is applied.

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On September 29, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Carlzone said:

Sis, nobody can force you to marry anyone. You decide who you want to marry. Period.

And there are many methods for birth control. I'm sure you can find something that works for you. Unfortunately in my family women are superfertile and get pregnant even when using birth control methods. 

And make sure you don't do an abortion unless it's halal. God will not accept you commiting something haram because others treated you badly. That's not a valid excuse before God.

In theory, no one can force you to marry but forced marriages do happen all the times. The ruling says that abortion is allowed if it causes unbearable difficulty. Unbearable difficulty is a vague term and it can be interpreted in different ways. 

Anyway I am not sure if you have found the ruling yet. The punishment for having abortion before the soul enters the fetus is paying blood money. If you want, I can add the ruling. 

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31 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

The punishment for having abortion before the soul enters the fetus is paying blood money.

But who would the money be paid to? 

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59 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

The ruling says it should be paid by the person performing the abortion to the parents of the child. If the mother is having an abortion, I guess she should pay blood money to the father of child. 

If the mother and father agree to hire a doctor to perform the abortion, the doctor would pay his co-conspirators? (By simply raising his fee, then giving a rebate, I assume.) It just sounds wrong. 

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