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It is a good thing to support Armenia instead of Azerbaijan

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The Islamic Republic of Iran has better relations with Armenia which is mostly Christian instead of Azerbaijan which is one of the few country in the world to be in majority shia. Is it really a good thing to be like that even if Azerbaijani government has some relations with Israel? 

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Iran & Armenian have great roots in their connection with other because from Achaemenid time Armenia was a part of Iran & Armenia is hostile to all religions but although Azerbaijan was a part of  Iran that separated from Iran by Tzarian Russia but current president of it wants to shift Azerbaijan to Sunni Islam in integrity with turkey & doesn’t have a strong relationship with Iran 

https://www.eurasiareview.com/28022017-is-baku-transforming-azerbaijan-from-a-shiia-to-a-sunni-muslim-country-oped/

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38 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Iran & Armenian have great roots in their connection with other because from Achaemenid time Armenia was a part of Iran & Armenia is hostile to all religions but although Azerbaijan was a part of  Iran that separated from Iran by Tzarian Russia but current president of it wants to shift Azerbaijan to Sunni Islam in integrity with turkey & doesn’t have a strong relationship with Iran 

https://www.eurasiareview.com/28022017-is-baku-transforming-azerbaijan-from-a-shiia-to-a-sunni-muslim-country-oped/

I already read this link but I don't think (at least I hope) someone could really be able to changer religion in Azerbaijan from Shia to sunni. 

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I saw this interesting article recently about Armenia continuing, Israeli-style, to occupy Azerbaijani territory beyond that which was the cause of the original conflict

https://lobelog.com/armenian-settlements-occupied-territory-or-homeland/

Edited by Klanky

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4 minutes ago, Klanky said:

I saw this interesting article recently about Armenia continuing, Israeli-style, to occupy Azerbaijani territory beyond that which was the cause of the original conflict

https://lobelog.com/armenian-settlements-occupied-territory-or-homeland/

Yeah I studied a little about Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict and even if I don't like at all relations between Azerbaijan and Israel I have the feeling that in this war Armenia is the bad guy. 

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43 minutes ago, Klanky said:

I saw this interesting article recently about Armenia continuing, Israeli-style, to occupy Azerbaijani territory beyond that which was the cause of the original conflict

https://lobelog.com/armenian-settlements-occupied-territory-or-homeland/

The article leaves out that the Nargono-Karabahk  "problem" originates as another Stalin-Stunt --when he divided the region to create ethnic conflict.

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19 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

People don't know what they want. They want unity with the Ummah then support Christians over Muslims (majority Shi'a btw). Lol. Never seen such confusion in my life.

Well this is not you who said many anti iranian stuffs few days ago Sumerian? 

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I don't believe we should support someone just because he is Shia by name. Azerbaijani president Aliev is a tyrant and oppressor, that seeks worldly riches, power and rule. It is not just Azerbaijani relations with Israel but also Shia scholars who speak against the regime and want Shia Islam to play bigger role in society are oppressed, force used against them and jailed. Ashura is forbidden in public in Azerbaijan. 

About Nagorno-Karabkh conflict:  "In 1823 the five districts corresponding roughly to modern-day Nagorno-Karabakh, was 90.8% Armenian. " "The earliest concrete numbers about the population of the whole of Karabakh is from the census of 1823 concerning the abolition of the Karabakh Khanate. In the territory of the former Armenian principalities, 90.8% of villages were recorded as being Armenian, while 9.2% were recorded as Tatar or Kurd."  Source: Bournoutian, George A. A History of Qarabagh: An Annotated Translation of Mirza Jamal Javanshir Qarabaghi's Tarikh-E Qarabagh. Costa Mesa, CA: Mazda Publishers, 1994, page 18

"The Soviet Union also had far-reaching plans concerning Turkey, hoping that it would, with a little help from them, develop along Communist lines. Needing to placate Turkey, the Soviet Union agreed to a division under which Zangezur would fall under the control of Armenia, while Karabakh and Nakhchivan would be under the control of Azerbaijan. Had Turkey not been an issue, Stalin would likely have left Karabakh under Armenian control. As a result, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast was established within the Azerbaijan SSR on 7 July 1923."  Source: Service, Robert. Stalin: A Biography. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2006 p. 204

In late 80s and early 90s with the beginning of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh started revolt and demands to be united with Armenia. Actually the first direct confrontation of Azeri-Armenian conflict was started by Azeris. 

"On 22 February 1988, the first direct confrontation of the conflict occurred as a large group of Azeris marched from Agdam against the Armenian populated town of Askeran, "wreaking destruction en route". The confrontation between the Azeris and the police near Askeran degenerated into the Askeran clash, which left two Azeris dead, one of them reportedly killed by an Azeri police officer, as well as 50 Armenian villagers, and an unknown number of Azeris and police injured." Sources: Elizabeth Fuller, Nagorno-Karabakh: The Death and Casualty Toll to Date, RL 531/88, 14 December 1988, pp. 1–2 and de Waal, Thomas (2003). Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan Through Peace and War. New York: New York University Press.

I don't see how Armenia is the bad guy here. 

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15 hours ago, Sumerian said:

People don't know what they want. They want unity with the Ummah then support Christians over Muslims (majority Shi'a btw). Lol. Never seen such confusion in my life.

You're absolutely right, something noteworthy though is that a majority of Azerbaijanis are cultural Muslims and don't really follow Islam fully because of years of Soviet occupation but the principle still stands.

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18 hours ago, alidu78 said:

I already read this link but I don't think (at least I hope) someone could really be able to changer religion in Azerbaijan from Shia to sunni. 

the current president of Azerbaijan does everything from promoting wahhabism to changing culture by mediato shift Azerbaijan toward Turkey & America against  of returning Azerbaijains to their Iranain roots & Shia Islam  but About Armenians during Safavids Era Shah Abbas the great once time saved them from massacring by Ottomans by moving a large portion of their people to Isfahan toward Azerbaijan & Georgia that was a win-win situation for Iran & Armenia also Armenias has great rule in standing Tabriz against Qajar king in Iranian Constitutional Revolution war also during revolution & Iran-Iraq war   the Armenians that were settling at Iran gave martyrs for these incidents.

Azerbaijan: Time to Address the Potential Salafi Danger

https://www.eurasianet.org/azerbaijan-time-to-address-the-potential-salafi-danger

https://www.mepc.org/rise-militant-salafism-azerbaijan-and-its-regional-implications 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263674351_The_Rise_of_Militant_Salafism_in_Azerbaijan_and_Its_Regional_Implications

http://hrwf.eu/radicalism-and-jihadism-in-azerbaijan/

https://bakuresearchinstitute.org/a-brief-history-of-salafism-in-azerbaijan/

 

It’s Time To Think About The ‘Turkization’ Of Azerbaijan – OpEd

https://www.eurasiareview.com/22072018-its-time-to-think-about-the-turkization-of-azerbaijan-oped/

https://www.hudson.org/research/9864-the-gulen-movement-in-azerbaijan

 

https://unfetteredfreedom.com/2017/08/11/are-azeri-shiites-becoming-a-minority/

http://www.academia.edu/8752069/Shia_Islam_in_Azerbaijan_Historical_approach_and_modernity

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It was always kind of interesting to me how Iran has good relations with both countries despite both Armenia and Azerbaijan hating each other. Iran was actually the one to get both countries to hold talks for a peace treaty/cease fire between the two countries during one of their many wars with each other over the Nagorno Karabakh dispute.

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1 hour ago, Zurushkan said:

It was always kind of interesting to me how Iran has good relations with both countries despite both Armenia and Azerbaijan hating each other. Iran was actually the one to get both countries to hold talks for a peace treaty/cease fire between the two countries during one of their many wars with each other over the Nagorno Karabakh dispute.

Well Iran hasn't so good relations with Azerbaijan. 

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Iranians hold protest against Azerbaijan’s crackdown on shia muslims 

 

Ashura in Nardaran (Azerbaijan)

Ashura in Azerbaijan,2017

 

5 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Well Iran hasn't so good relations with Azerbaijan. 

5 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Well Iran hasn't so good relations with Azerbaijan. 

5 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Iran hasn't so good relations with Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan separation is still painful for Iranians &  still every foreign deal in Iran compares to two treat of Iran with Tsarian Russia 

the Treaty of Turkmenchay  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay& Treaty of Gulistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan

that caused separation of many northern countries from Iran such as Azerbaijan 

even during Jcpoa negotiations it was compared by Turkmenchay treat & currently in local slang of ‘same as Turkmenchay treat’ uses for any bad deal .

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23 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Iranians hold protest against Azerbaijan’s crackdown on shia muslims 

 

Ashura in Nardaran (Azerbaijan)

Ashura in Azerbaijan,2017

 

Azerbaijan separation is still painful for Iranians &  still every foreign deal in Iran compares to two treat of Iran with Tsarian Russia 

the Treaty of Turkmenchay  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay& Treaty of Gulistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan

that caused separation of many northern countries from Iran such as Azerbaijan 

even during Jcpoa negotiations it was compared by Turkmenchay treat & currently in local slang of ‘same as Turkmenchay treat’ uses for any bad deal .

Azerbaijanais nowadays are for many of them totally brainwashed. They adhere to pan Turkism and thought iran "occupied" them in the past and persecute Azeri citizens. 

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On 9/12/2018 at 7:55 PM, alidu78 said:

Azerbaijanais nowadays are for many of them totally brainwashed. They adhere to pan Turkism and thought Iran "occupied" them in the past and persecute Azeri citizens. 

https://www.hudson.org/research/9843-tashayu-conversion-to-shiism-in-central-asia-and-russia-

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Azerbaijani Shias gather for Ashura, under close watch from the state

The government tried to outlaw some of the more extreme practices of the holiday, such as self-flagellation, but the results were mixed.

Joshua Kucera Sep 20, 2018
Self-flagellationA man performs Tatbir, a ritual where people beat themselves with chains as a sign of expressing grief for Imam Hussein and a willingness to give their blood for him. (All photos by Ehtiram Jabi)
religious songsMen line up inside the mosque to perform religious songs in honor of Imam Hussein.
man singing religious songA man performs a religious song inside the Taza Pir Mosque.
crowd in front of mosquePeople gather in front the Taza Pir Mosque.
boy with religious headbandA boy wearing a headband with a religious inscription hits himself on the chest while listening to prayers.
beggingDuring Ashura, people go to the mosques to beg.
blood donationDuring Ashura, blood donation centers are created in mosques and out-patient clinics. This year, blood could be donated in 12 places around Baku.
men raising handsMen raise their hands at every mention of the sacred name.
woman prayingAn elderly woman prays in front of the mosque.
beating chestA man sings a marsiya and beats himself on the chest. A marsiya is an elegiac poem honoring Imam Hussain.
crowd outside mosqueA crowd gathers in front of the Taza Pir Mosque, to perform the mourning and self-flagellation ceremonies of the feast.
tatbirA man beats himself with chains in the square outside the mosque.
MarsiyaA young man sitting in the mosque listens to a marsiya.

Azerbaijan's faithful gathered for the commemoration of Ashura, one of the holiest days on the calendar of Shia Islam, amid a period of heightened tension between the staunchly secular government and a rising population of pious Shia Muslims.

https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijani-Shias-gather-for-ashura-under-close-watch-from-the-state

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Khojaly Massacre

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Khojaly Massacre
Part of the Nagorno-Karabakh War

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Khojaly Massacre Memorial in The HagueNetherlands
Location KhojalyAzerbaijan
Date 26 February 1992
Target Azerbaijani residents
Deaths 161+ or 200+ (Human Rights Watch)[1][2]
485 (Azerbaijani parliament figure)[3]
613 (Azerbaijani government claim)[4]

The Khojaly Massacre, also known as the Khojaly tragedy, was the killing[3] of at least 161 ethnic Azerbaijanicivilians[1] from the town of Khojaly on 26 February 1992. According to the Azerbaijani side, as well as the Memorial Human Rights CenterHuman Rights Watch and other international observers,[6][7] the massacre was committed by the ethnic Armenian armed forces, reportedly with help of some military personnel of the 366th CIS regiment, apparently not acting on orders from the command.[5][8] The death toll claimed by Azerbaijani authorities is 613 civilians, including 106 women and 63 children.[4] The event became the largest massacre in the course of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.[2]

Western governments and the western media refer to it as the "Khojaly massacre", "Khojaly tragedy" or the "Battle for Khojaly".[9] Azerbaijani sources[10][11] occasionally refer to the massacre as the "Khojaly genocide" (AzerbaijaniXocalı soyqırımı) and the "Khojaly tragedy" (AzerbaijaniXocalı faciəsi).[12]

the 27th Anniversary of Khojaly Shia Muslims Massacre

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I thought Azerbaijan was a part of Iran? They aren’t Shi’a? And I know Kurds are a volatile group...Please enlighten me!

Edited by Ralvi

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30 minutes ago, Ralvi said:

I thought Azerbaijan was a part of Iran? They aren’t Shi’a? And I know Kurds are a volatile group...Please enlighten me!

it was a part of Iran but separated by Great Britain & Russia after defeat of Iran in Iran-Russia war & majority of them are Shias also all Kurd areas was belonging to Iran & they are Iranians but a great portion of their land separated by Ottomans from Iran after first war of Safavid with Ottomans that lead to defeat of Iran army under command of Shah Ismail that after fall of Ottomans that vast area separated between Syria & Iraq that from that time they try to make fake evidences by support of foreigen countries like as Russia then soviets & now Israel to show themselves as a volatile group 

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3 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it was a part of Iran but separated by Great Britain & Russia after defeat of Iran in Iran-Russia war & majority of them are Shias also all Kurd areas was belonging to Iran & they are Iranians but a great portion of their land separated by Ottomans from Iran after first war of Safavid with Ottomans that lead to defeat of Iran army under command of Shah Ismail that after fall of Ottomans that vast area separated between Syria & Iraq that from that time they try to make fake evidences by support of foreigen countries like as Russia then soviets & now Israel to show themselves as a volatile group 

Hmm so Russia is a bad guy afterall

Iran really needs unity, I guess these people want to destroy that. Since Iranian people are guaranteed victory with Imam Mehdi I can see why the little Satan’s are trying to destroy it quietly 

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Imam Khamenei:

Contrary to what U.S. seeks, Iran-Armenia ties must remain strong, friendly

http://en.abna24.com/news//contrary-to-what-u-s-seeks-Iran-armenia-ties-must-remain-strong-friendly_931025.html

February 28, 2019 - 3:58 PM News Code : 931025 Source : Khamenei.irLink: 

Contrary to what U.S. seeks, Iran-Armenia ties must remain strong, friendly

 

The Leader of the Islamic Revolution— Ayatollah Khamenei— received the Prime Minister of Armenia, Mr... Nikol Pashinián, and his entourage on Wednesday, February 27, 2019. 

At this meeting Ayatollah Khamenei described Iran and Armenia as good neighbors, enjoying historical relations and stressed on the necessity to increase levels of economic cooperation. His Eminence then added: Contrary to what the U.S. desires, the ties between Iran and Armenia should be strong, persistent and friendly. 

The Leader of the Islamic Revolution pointed to the very friendly relations that exist between Iranians with their Armenian fellow citizens as well as the Iranian Armenian communities' sacrifices during the Sacred Defense era—the 8-year US-backed Saddam war on Iran—and asserted: I have paid visits to the families of Iranian Armenian martyrs in Tehran, because we consider the Armenian martyrs of the imposed war as sources of pride and honor for Iran, just like the Muslim martyrs. 

The Supreme Leader regarded increased cooperation and friendly relations as a duty to be conducted in favor of common interests of Iran and Armenia, adding: Of course, the U.S. is completely unreliable and always tries to cause sedition, corruption, conflict and war; they are against the relations between Iran and Armenia and they oppose the interests of the nations. However, in response, we need to strengthen our relations and cooperation. 

Highlighting the friendly relations of Iran and Armenia throughout history, Imam Khamenei went on to say: Iran and Armenia have never had any problems with each other. According to our Islamic teachings, we deem ourselves obliged to behave well toward our neighboring countries; even though the U.S. officials, such as John Bolton, have no understanding of such matters or of human relations. 

Ayatollah Khamenei mentioned that the level of economic cooperation between Iran and Armenia is much lower than the potentials the two nations possess and held: The agreements and ratifications concluded during this trip should be vigorously pursued. 
The leader of the Islamic Revolution also held that the resolving of the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh lies in the continuation of negotiations between the officials of Azerbaijan and Armenia; he further announced the willingness of the Islamic Republic of Iran to offer assistance in resolving the matter. 

900 pilgrims from Azerbaijan, Turkey attend Imam Reza (عليه السلام) holy shrine

http://en.abna24.com/news//900-pilgrims-from-azerbaijan-turkey-attend-Imam-reza-as-holy-shrine_931040.html

February 28, 2019 - 5:27 PM News Code : 931040 Source : AQRLink: 

900 pilgrims from Azerbaijan, Turkey attend Imam Reza (AS) holy shrine

 

Some 600 Azerbaijani and 300 Turkish pilgrims visited Razavi holy shrine on the anniversary of Hazrat Zahra’s (SA) birth. 

Cultural programs had been organized by the management of non-Iranian pilgrims’ affairs of Astan Quds Razavi at the Sheikh Horre Ameli portico. 

The head of the Heidaris convoy from Azerbaijan stated that “Many pilgrims endured this journey’s difficulties due to the financial and economic conditions in order to visit this gracious Imam with love and affection.” 

Aram L Bruce noted that their presence in Mashhad is simply because of the pilgrimage of Imam Reza (عليه السلام), adding that “Many of us Shia Muslims come to holy city of Mashhad for love, devotion and kindness and are blessed with his endless generosity by attending his holy shrine. We are grateful to him and dedicate our lives and wealth to [Imam Reza (AS)].” 
Referring to the miracles of Imam Reza (عليه السلام), he continued that “there is undoubtedly no greater pleasure than pilgrimage.” 

The management of non-Iranian pilgrims’ affairs of Astan Quds Razavi offered some valuable gifts, including chador and holy Qur'an to the ladies named Zahra and Fatima. 

Remembrance of martyred Shias  of incident of Nagorno-Karabakh in Körfez, Kocaeli Turkey 

http://fa.abna24.com/news/اخبار-اروپا/مراسم-بزرگداشت-کشتار-شیعیان-خواجه‌لی-در-شهر-کورفز-ترکیه_748270.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Körfez,_Kocaeli

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On 9/11/2018 at 11:50 AM, alidu78 said:

The Islamic Republic of Iran has better relations with Armenia which is mostly Christian instead of Azerbaijan which is one of the few country in the world to be in majority Shia. Is it really a good thing to be like that even if Azerbaijani government has some relations with Israel? 

Does that also counts on a non-diplomatic level? What about the common people of Azerbaijan for example?

The stance of the government isn't always parallel with the opinion of the common folks.

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On 3/2/2019 at 2:21 PM, Faruk said:

Does that also counts on a non-diplomatic level? What about the common people of Azerbaijan for example?

The stance of the government isn't always parallel with the opinion of the common folks.

I don't really know I never came to Azerbaijan. But from what I understood most Azerbaijanis are very secular. 

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On 1/22/2019 at 6:05 PM, Abbas Musawi said:

Well yes and no Tehran must balanced his relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan. 

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28 minutes ago, alidu78 said:

I don't really know I never came to Azerbaijan. But from what I understood most Azerbaijanis are very secular. 

There is a hardcore Twelver movement.

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2 hours ago, alidu78 said:

You are talking about the pro iranian mullah who was arrested by Azerbaijani authorities? 

Yes I was.

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5 hours ago, alidu78 said:

OK yes I remember him.I didn't say if course that all Azerbaijanis are secular, I just said that from what I heard most of them consider themselves as Muslims without really practicing it. 

I believe yhey have more supporters than the media is telling us.

 

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:bismillah:

:bismillah:

There are students from the Republic of Azerbaijan here at al-Mustafa International University and they are extremely anti-Armenian, nationalistic and pan-Turkic. Unfortunately, they believe their secular government's propaganda. 

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25 minutes ago, Ali Mahdi said:

:bismillah:

:bismillah:

There are students from the Republic of Azerbaijan here at al-Mustafa International University and they are extremely anti-Armenian, nationalistic and pan-Turkic. Unfortunately, they believe their secular government's propaganda. 

This is what I saw from the few Azerbaijanis I talked. I could understand the fact that they are anti Armenians but I really despise such ideologies based on "ethnicity" like "pan turkism" wich I even find against Islamic principles. 

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Shia preacher & founder of Imam Khomeini Mosque (رضي الله عنه) in Azerbaijan "Haji Muhsin Nowrouzof " (رضي الله عنه) died in Baku ,Azerbaijan

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