What are the causes of apostasy in our day and age?

[Ayuoobi 151]

I have my own thoughts on this but I wanted to survey the field for your opinions. /discuss 

[Carlzone 1,370]

Please could you share a definition of apostasy?

[aaljibar 378]

36 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

Please could you share a definition of apostasy?

The abandonment/renouncement of the religion of islam.

Edited August 31, 2018 by aaljibar

[aaljibar 378]

I think it's due to the introduction of the dajjal system in western media such as the secular, highly sexualised, anti arab/minority media that is blatantly being introduced to the TV and internet.

[Carlzone 1,370]

5 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

The abandonment/renouncement of the religion of islam.

Oh ok. Thank you for your help!

Well, I would guess a PHD degree in arrogance and a Masters degree in self deceit. 

[Carlzone 1,370]

8 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

I think it's due to the introduction of the dajjal system in western media such as the secular, highly sexualised, anti arab/minority media that is blatantly being introduced to the TV and internet.

Those are the means. The true causes lie within. 

[Algerian Shia 23]

In my Opinion, it's due to science, technology improvement and secular influence.

[Carlzone 1,370]

3 minutes ago, Algerian Shia said:

In my Opinion, it's due to science, technology improvement and secular influence.

My opinion:

The problem here is not the tools. The problem here is how we use or rather abuse the tools. And what that stems from...

[SoRoUsH 429]

I'd start with the immense amount of ignorance within our own communities. Most people merely parrot what they hear. Most people, if their parents were not Muslims, they wouldn't be either. Most people have put careers and prosperity in this world ahead of success in the Hereafter. 

When one's already on shaky and weak foundations, it's not hard to push them completely off of it into disbelief and apostasy. 

[Mahdavist 316]

5 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

I'd start with the immense amount of ignorance within our own communities. Most people merely parrot what they hear. Most people, if their parents were not Muslims, they wouldn't be either. Most people have put careers and prosperity in this world ahead of success in the Hereafter. 

When one's already on shaky and weak foundations, it's not hard to push them completely off of it into disbelief and apostasy. 

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Apostasy is usually due to disillusionment stemming from the general ignorance and double standards of muslims with respect to the actual religion of islam.

Wallahu a'lam

[Shi3i_jadeed 422]

I think a big reason is because many if not most Muslims at least in the west do not have an authentically Islamic paradigm through which to interpret data, everyone has a paradigm  through which we view the world. Muslims in the west adopt liberal ideology and when they realize Islam clearly contradicts it they reject Islam (e.g. slavery, jihad ibtida'i, etc) . Case in point is how we portray the prophet (sawa), he wasn't a pacifist feminist hippy... If you know about Nabeel Quraishi this is really why he became a Christian. He was an ahmadi and ahmadis love to portray the prophet (sawa) as a pacifist hippy. Obviously his conversion to Christianity is totally idiotic given that what the prophets did in the old testament which was ordered by God is much "worse" (from a modern liberal POV) than anything attributed to Muhammad (sawa). 

[alidu78 863]

3 hours ago, Shi3i_jadeed said:

I think a big reason is because many if not most Muslims at least in the west do not have an authentically Islamic paradigm through which to interpret data, everyone has a paradigm  through which we view the world. Muslims in the west adopt liberal ideology and when they realize Islam clearly contradicts it they reject Islam (e.g. slavery, jihad ibtida'i, etc) . Case in point is how we portray the prophet (sawa), he wasn't a pacifist feminist hippy... If you know about Nabeel Quraishi this is really why he became a Christian. He was an ahmadi and ahmadis love to portray the prophet (sawa) as a pacifist hippy. Obviously his conversion to Christianity is totally idiotic given that what the prophets did in the old testament which was ordered by God is much "worse" (from a modern liberal POV) than anything attributed to Muhammad (sawa). 

I don't know them very well. Excepted the belief in a new prophet what are their main beliefs and deviances exactly? 

[Ayuoobi 151]

1 hour ago, alidu78 said:

I don't know them very well. Excepted the belief in a new prophet what are their main beliefs and deviances exactly? 

Lets not derail the thread. Go wikipedia it.

Some good contributions so far.

[Qa'im 10,434]

The general difficulty of being Muslim must also be part of it. The modern world has made it difficult for a practicing Muslim to do business, get married, go to school, and attend socials without compromising with the haram to some degree. For those who are culturally Muslim, religion has become a liability that takes away more than it gives. Not everyone can handle the pressure of the decline of the Muslim world, and they're looking at alternatives that make them happier and their lives easier.

[alidu78 863]

I think problem is also that nowadays most Muslims have no idea if what is sharia law and are not educated about that. So when they see some topics in Islamic books contrary to western secularism wich is the dominant ideology nowadays they are perturbated and many become apostate because Islam is for them contrary to "human rights" and "modernity" that western world try to promote.

[Ayuoobi 151]

15 hours ago, Qa'im said:

The general difficulty of being Muslim must also be part of it. The modern world has made it difficult for a practicing Muslim to do business, get married, go to school, and attend socials without compromising with the haram to some degree. For those who are culturally Muslim, religion has become a liability that takes away more than it gives. Not everyone can handle the pressure of the decline of the Muslim world, and they're looking at alternatives that make them happier and their lives easier.

This would apply moreso to the Muslim diaspora. Not sure how much it would apply to Muslims living inside dar al islam, where by and large it is still easier to be a Muslim than not - even if one sins by breaking rules here and there.

I also think within the diaspora this would likely be more of a factor among more isolated Muslims whereas those living in cities with many Muslims would have an easier time.

[realizm 1,597]

Globalization.

[Ayuoobi 151]

2 hours ago, realizm said:

Globalization.

Ws wr wb

Care to elaborate?

[iraqi_shia 653]

On 8/31/2018 at 2:38 PM, Ayuoobi said:

I have my own thoughts on this but I wanted to survey the field for your opinions. /discuss 

I often think about this, and interact with Muslims around me, some who have "left".

The number one reason I hear, is that they have a particular understanding of Islam which I find strange, then when they analyse this weird version of Islam, it all comes apart and they reject "islam". They are actually only rejecting their weird understanding of it however. 

 

[Ayuoobi 151]

6 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

I often think about this, and interact with Muslims around me, some who have "left".

The number one reason I hear, is that they have a particular understanding of Islam which I find strange, then when they analyse this weird version of Islam, it all comes apart and they reject "islam". They are actually only rejecting their weird understanding of it however. 

 

What does this "weird understanding" entail?

[realizm 1,597]

4 hours ago, Ayuoobi said:

Ws wr wb

Care to elaborate?

«We cannot do this, they can».

«Look how backwards our countries are».

«Darwin theory is taught all over the planet, why should we go against it?»

 

So on...

[Qa'im 10,434]

8 hours ago, Ayuoobi said:

This would apply moreso to the Muslim diaspora. Not sure how much it would apply to Muslims living inside dar al islam, where by and large it is still easier to be a Muslim than not - even if one sins by breaking rules here and there.

I also think within the diaspora this would likely be more of a factor among more isolated Muslims whereas those living in cities with many Muslims would have an easier time.

Apostasy is most prominent among the Muslim diaspora, but even in some Muslim countries it is difficult to practice. Try being a conservative, practicing Muslim in Egypt or Syria, Sunni or Shi`a, you'll get spied on, possibly detained or kidnapped or worse. Even in UAE, sites like this are banned. Even Saudi Arabia is cracking down on Salafi shaykhs and mosques that are not overtly loyal to the new crown prince. Turkey had a hijab ban on campuses until fairly recently, and Azerbaijan has banned hijabs in school and niqabs in public. The general poverty and conflict in Muslim countries also discourages people. This doesn't include whatever banking / work-related / marriage-politics that exist in various Muslim countries. In some places it's better to just be non-practicing or even Christian.

[Ayuoobi 151]

38 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

Apostasy is most prominent among the Muslim diaspora, but even in some Muslim countries it is difficult to practice. Try being a conservative, practicing Muslim in Egypt or Syria, Sunni or Shi`a, you'll get spied on, possibly detained or kidnapped or worse. Even in UAE, sites like this are banned. Even Saudi Arabia is cracking down on Salafi shaykhs and mosques that are not overtly loyal to the new crown prince. Turkey had a hijab ban on campuses until fairly recently, and Azerbaijan has banned hijabs in school and niqabs in public. The general poverty and conflict in Muslim countries also discourages people. This doesn't include whatever banking / work-related / marriage-politics that exist in various Muslim countries. In some places it's better to just be non-practicing or even Christian.

None of what you described are the kinds of pressures which cause apostacy. In fact quite the opposite they radicalize Muslims in Muslim countries to become more politically involved and revolutionary minded.

 

[Qa'im 10,434]

21 minutes ago, Ayuoobi said:

None of what you described are the kinds of pressures which cause apostacy. In fact quite the opposite they radicalize Muslims in Muslim countries to become more politically involved and revolutionary minded.

People react differently to social pressures brother. It can definitely cause rebellion, but it can also cause people to drop the burden (religious practice in this case). Egypt today is a prime example of this.

[Ibn al-Hussain 3,121]

41 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

People react differently to social pressures brother. It can definitely cause rebellion, but it can also cause people to drop the burden (religious practice in this case). Egypt today is a prime example of this.

I would also add Pakistan to the list - especially the young generation.

Wasalam