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How do you proceed Mutah with Western/eastern Woman

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Salam.

I am asking this for the behalf of many brothers that asked me this question, both shia and sunni.

How do you bros, who have mutah with western/eastern woman proceed with it.

How did you introduce it to them, and how did it go. How did you explain all of the pillars of mutah to them.

What is the least thing that I have to do, to have an acceptable mutah.

And if she refuses wearing modesty and covering her hair, am I still allowed to have mutah with her.

if she is a virgin, do I have to ask permission from her father? what if she lives alone or have no father.

How is it even possibly to have an acceptable mutah in the western world, with all these rules. what kind of woman would accept this? and how are we bros going to handle it if we have no mutah.

Because girlfriends is haram.

When I think of it. It seems impossible to have a perfect mutah, with all the rules explained and covered and the woman is modest.

please brothers give me good answers and tips, from your own experiences.

@Abu Hadi

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4 hours ago, Carlzone said:

There is no way a father would give his virgin daughter to mutah. You have to find someone who is not a virgin or perhaps someone divorced or a widow or Ahlul kitab. Maybe on marriage websites.

the brothers I know get woman from clubs, and dating apps such as tinder. Neither of those are muslim friendly.

both my shia and sunni friends. So most of them have just basically one night stands, with no intention of marriage just lust. Which is a big sin.

I also know of the shia and sunni sisters like this, those in hijab, they do the same in secret.

They can neither find a permanent nor temporarily wife. Some don't believe in mutah.

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I would recommend never to go for a women who do not have perception of Islam and Ahalaybayyt A.S. I understand this is for halal entertainment but I say that life is loan from Allah and we will answerable to Allah. So do it with a women who really deserves it and take care of the values before and after it

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This is a huge problem in the muslim community both shia and sunni, between both men and woman. Nobody is talking about these problems.

This is huge sins, I can't believe how some of my friends are so open about it. They take it very lightly, that it kinda shocks me, and I have to ask Allah for forgiveness for what I heard from them.

every muslim parent is so into their kids getting their good education, good job, big house, lots of money and then finding a good wife. By the time that happens, so many sins has occurred. That the time left before one leaves this life for the akhira is just like living in a curse.

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1 minute ago, Zulfiqar1472 said:

I would recommend never to go for a women who do not have perception of Islam and Ahalaybayyt A.S. I understand this is for halal entertainment but I say that life is loan from Allah and we will answerable to Allah. So do it with a women who really deserves it and take care of the values before and after it

what a great answer brother. But where does one find such wife? and if one can't find such wife, what can he do? Most people are not mentally strong to handle staying single and staying away from haram.

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3 hours ago, bigboi said:

the brothers I know get woman from clubs, and dating apps such as tinder. Neither of those are muslim friendly.

both my shia and sunni friends. So most of them have just basically one night stands, with no intention of marriage just lust. Which is a big sin.

I also know of the shia and sunni sisters like this, those in hijab, they do the same in secret.

They can neither find a permanent nor temporarily wife. Some don't believe in mutah.

These club types are not following islam. Don't do it like them. They can fool themselves but they can't fool God. 

Try shiamatch (have you seen the ad here?) or perhaps other similar sites and be honest towards the girl. I know several girls who have done mutah with guys in an Islamic fashion, no clubs. But these girls are usually converts or nonvirgins, divorced etc. 

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45 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

There is no way a father would give his virgin daughter to mutah. You have to find someone who is not a virgin or perhaps someone divorced or a widow or Ahlul kitab. Maybe on marriage websites.

Having mutah with virgin girl and what we call (bad girls) is makruh. The term makruh is very important to understand. it is allowed for divorced and widow as they are more mature then virgin girls. 

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2 minutes ago, bigboi said:

This is a huge problem in the muslim community both shia and sunni, between both men and woman. Nobody is talking about these problems.

This is huge sins, I can't believe how some of my friends are so open about it. They take it very lightly, that it kinda shocks me, and I have to ask Allah for forgiveness for what I heard from them.

every muslim parent is so into their kids getting their good education, good job, big house, lots of money and then finding a good wife. By the time that happens, so many sins has occurred. That the time left before one leaves this life for the akhira is just like living in a curse.

Brother stay on the halal side no matter how lost your friends are. Donya is short. It's not worth it. 

Try to get a halal mutah as it is understandable that you guys need it as protection from haram. InshaAllah God helps you with that.

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6 hours ago, bigboi said:

Salam.

I am asking this for the behalf of many brothers that asked me this question, both shia and sunni.

How do you bros, who have mutah with western/eastern woman proceed with it.

How did you introduce it to them, and how did it go. How did you explain all of the pillars of mutah to them.

What is the least thing that I have to do, to have an acceptable mutah.

And if she refuses wearing modesty and covering her hair, am I still allowed to have mutah with her.

if she is a virgin, do I have to ask permission from her father? what if she lives alone or have no father.

How is it even possibly to have an acceptable mutah in the western world, with all these rules. what kind of woman would accept this? and how are we bros going to handle it if we have no mutah.

Because girlfriends is haram.

When I think of it. It seems impossible to have a perfect mutah, with all the rules explained and covered and the woman is modest.

please brothers give me good answers and tips, from your own experiences.

@Abu Hadi

Your questions are clear that it is upcliff walk very hard to tell if someone does not believe on that. For a muslim women it is straight question that do you want to be in this relation ship in parts... like starting from just positive date .... rest the end can perm or may be a good good bye. T&C applies

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3 minutes ago, Zulfiqar1472 said:

Having mutah with virgin girl and what we call (bad girls) is makruh. The term makruh is very important to understand. it is allowed for divorced and widow as they are more mature then virgin girls. 

I agree with you, but if a brother is on the verge of doing haram then a mutah with a bad girl is better than sinning.

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Just tell her that you want to be in relationship with her in a way that your religion accepts the relationship. Some girls accept it especially Ahllul Kitab. Don't think too much. Just go and do it. I know a guy who explained it easily and the girl was ok with that. It's fine. Just go and talk to her. Remember you can do Mutah only with widowed(Muslim), divorced(Muslim), ahlul kitab. You cannot do Mutah with girls who sleep with everyone.

Mutah is a very good Islamic practice. If it become common among Muslims, a lot of adult problems will be solved. Just go and find a Mutah and thank Allah for giving you this beautiful religion.

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3 hours ago, Carlzone said:

Brother stay on the halal side no matter how lost your friends are. Donya is short. It's not worth it. 

Try to get a halal mutah as it is understandable that you guys need it as protection from haram. InshaAllah God helps you with that.

this is for every brother both shia and sunni. This problem is huge and these are the questions that is usually discussed. Donya is short.

3 hours ago, Zulfiqar1472 said:

Your questions are clear that it is upcliff walk very hard to tell if someone does not believe on that. For a muslim women it is straight question that do you want to be in this relation ship in parts... like starting from just positive date .... rest the end can perm or may be a good good bye. T&C applies

Yes for a muslim woman this question is not hard. But where does one find a muslim woman in west that wants to do mutah. And how would her family think of you.

3 hours ago, Carlzone said:

I agree with you, but if a brother is on the verge of doing haram then a mutah with a bad girl is better than sinning.

if by bad girl you mean someone who just sleeps around. Then how can such mutah be acceptable? since one of the pillars is the waiting period. And if I know that the waiting period won't be followed and that she has recently slept with someone. Is it still acceptable? I don't think so. But what do I know.

3 hours ago, Zulfiqar1472 said:

Mutah is binding between two parties how a person who has no faith can abide by that.

this is the question I asked everytime, when people mention ahlul kitab. There are no ahlul kitab. Are we talking about the original Ahlul Kitab or are we talking about the 2018 ahlul kitab where most of them don't even follow their faith and accepted forbidden movements into the faith, such as the gay movement.

3 hours ago, Carlzone said:

Just so you know, if you ask a virgin girl for mutah she will most likely be very offended. It's better to try divorced, nonvirgins, widows, Ahlul kitab.

yes, true. There are very few ahlul kitab or none. But how does an ahlul kitab differ from one without faith. Both believe in things that will not benefit them, such as 3 gods, or stupid rules and invocations. None of them believe in Allah.

3 hours ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

Just tell her that you want to be in relationship with her in a way that your religion accepts the relationship. Some girls accept it especially Ahllul Kitab. Don't think too much. Just go and do it. I know a guy who explained it easily and the girl was ok with that. It's fine. Just go and talk to her. Remember you can do Mutah only with widowed, divorced, ahlul kitab, or a girl that doesn't need father permission. You cannot do Mutah with girls who sleep with everyone.

Mutah is a very good Islamic practice. If it become common among Muslims, a lot of adult problems will be solved. Just go and find a Mutah and thank Allah for giving you this beautiful religion.

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2 hours ago, Carlzone said:

Just so you know, if you ask a virgin girl for mutah she will most likely be very offended. It's better to try divorced, nonvirgins, widows, Ahlul kitab.

This is the point many people are missing. To fulfill most of the conditions, the most practical approach is to seek out a divorcee or a widow and to be open and clear about the purpose and nature of the marriage. 

By the way, note that 'non virgin' refers to those who have legitimately lost their virginity (this rules out anyone who hasn't been married before) . Many people are not aware of this (please study the rules of mutah before rushing into it)

Also I think the concept is best explained to muslim widows and divorcees (who ideally already know what it is) . 

Those who wish to approach ahlul kitab , make sure that they really are ahlul kitab. Ahlul Kitab does not equate to anyone who is western/white. I would suggest focusing on religious jews and christians who actually identify as such (but then, would they even agree to having a relationship?) 

I suggest that people think these things through carefully. It isn't a game, and ultimately those who think picking up girls in a club can be legitimized in this way are only fooling themselves (by the way what is a muslim doing in a nightclub anyway? If you want a halal relationship you must also reach that relationship through halal methods)

In this day and age things have been simplified with online marriage sites. Just be clear and honest about the kind of relationship you are looking for.

Wallahu a'lam

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From sayyid fadlallah 

Conditions of temporary marriage

Q: What are The Conditions of Temporary marriage and what is the wording of the contract?

The woman has to say that I have wedded you myself and she must state the time period and the dowry. The man has to say that he accepted the marriage. The time period and the dowry have to be defined. The woman has to be free: (she ought to be unmarried and has finished the period she ought to stay unmarried after her last marriage. The woman has to be either Muslim or from the People of the Book (Christian or Jew).

It is allowed to conclude a temporary marriage with a virgin if she is an adult, since she has the right to wed herself without the permission of her guardian, but other considerations should be taken into account – like bad reputation the girl might acquire or that she might put herself in a dangerous situation, since it is illegal to endanger oneself in Islamic law even if it were in marriage.

 

I hope this gives you an idea that’s a lot more suitable for you. 

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10 hours ago, bigboi said:

if by bad girl you mean someone who just sleeps around. Then how can such mutah be acceptable? since one of the pillars is the waiting period. And if I know that the waiting period won't be followed and that she has recently slept with someone. Is it still acceptable? I don't think so. But what do I know.

 

10 hours ago, bigboi said:

yes, true. There are very few ahlul kitab or none. But how does an ahlul kitab differ from one without faith. Both believe in things that will not benefit them, such as 3 gods, or stupid rules and

Check Mahdavists answer. I agree with him on this. 

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On 8/25/2018 at 11:50 PM, Mahdavist said:

This is the point many people are missing. To fulfill most of the conditions, the most practical approach is to seek out a divorcee or a widow and to be open and clear about the purpose and nature of the marriage. 

By the way, note that 'non virgin' refers to those who have legitimately lost their virginity (this rules out anyone who hasn't been married before) . Many people are not aware of this (please study the rules of mutah before rushing into it)

Also I think the concept is best explained to Muslim widows and divorcees (who ideally already know what it is) . 

Those who wish to approach ahlul kitab , make sure that they really are ahlul kitab. Ahlul Kitab does not equate to anyone who is western/white. I would suggest focusing on religious Jews and Christians who actually identify as such (but then, would they even agree to having a relationship?) 

I suggest that people think these things through carefully. It isn't a game, and ultimately those who think picking up girls in a club can be legitimized in this way are only fooling themselves (by the way what is a Muslim doing in a nightclub anyway? If you want a halal relationship you must also reach that relationship through halal methods)

In this day and age things have been simplified with online marriage sites. Just be clear and honest about the kind of relationship you are looking for.

Wallahu a'lam

Your wrong on the virgin part ayatullah Khamenei’s(ha) opinion is different he says if the girl committed zina she is not a virgin.

Subject: Marriage, Divorce & ‘Iddah
Istifta’ no.: DpaHtpo17Y
Bismihi Ta`ala
Salamun `alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
As per the given situation, she is not ruled as virgin and marrying her is no problem.
With prayers for your success
If a girl from ahlul kitab Christians and Jews has done zina sex before marraige can one have temporary marriage with her with no father permission or she is still a virgin in this case?

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On 8/26/2018 at 3:56 AM, Carlzone said:

Just so you know, if you ask a virgin girl for mutah she will most likely be very offended. It's better to try divorced, nonvirgins, widows, Ahlul kitab.

That's hilarious. Non virgins are just a little bit less.

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