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Salaam , I had a discussion with someone and he was against Shia islam , so it would be great if you answer him and help me to prove that Shia islam and Amir-momenin Ali A/S is right !

he says :

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Do you think that Hazrat Ali (Ra) Had to be to first Khalifah(Caliph)?

and when he said it was his right to be after prophet he says

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but wasn't he A little young?
Only 20 years old.. When he got more mature, Allah (subhana wa Ta Ala) Honoured him with being the 4th caliph...

and he continue

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I believe Shia people are also muslim and I defend them to every friend of mine, but I have a reason why I don't believe in that Hazrat Ali Had to be the first Caliph..
While reading Qur'an, I found the coming queues of the Khalifas.. In this verse(Ayah)
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah;and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward."
(QS. Al-Fath 48: Verse 29)

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah= The prophet
and those with him=when you hear that word, You absolutely remember the prophet's best friend, Yaari Ghar Hazrat Abu Bakr(Ra)
are forceful against the disbelievers,=Again Absolutely, the strong and angry man, the symbol of justice Hazrat Umar (Ra) merciful among themselves=If we really reseach the history of Islam, We will see that Hazrat Osman was really Merciful towards people and muslims..
You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration.==As I said Hazrat Ali (ra) was a really sincere man, even he was killed While praying, May Allah be pleased with him and forgive him for what he's done..
That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward."

So I always say Shia are muslim, but I don't believe in that Ali (ra) had to be the first Khalifah...

But do you know when did the Muslims gat separated as Shia and Sunni?
When Hazrat Osman was killed while reading Qur'an, There was kinda stressed and kinda a low peace, Hazrat Ali (ra) became the new Khalifah, and he wanted to bring peace back first. But the ones who were with Hazrat Aisha, said that He has to find the killers of Hazrat Osman First..
Then when thoughts were crossed, Hazrat Muawiyah Supported Hazrat Aisha, And they said Hazrat Muawiyah should be the Khalifah.
Some people said that Ali (ra) had to be the khalifah before the other Khalifahs. Then there became Haarijee people, they said they will kill, Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Muawiyah to bring peace back.. Hazrat Muawiyah ran away from this, but Hazrat Ali didn't leave prayer, and he has been killed, stabbed from the forehead, while praying Fajr...
It was the first fight of Muslims, and still Muslims hate each other that's actually really sad...

thanks for your help...

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I suggest you to read history about "Jesh-e-Usama". 

Why Prophet (S) ignored all the senior companions and have selected Usama bin Zayd as the commander of that Army? You will find that many companions have complained about preferring Usama over them. Many have used delay tactics and never allowed the army to go to far from Madina.  It was just few days before the martyrdom of Prophet (S).

https://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/usamas-expedition

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The following points should be borne in mind by the reader for a reassessment of the episode of Usama's expedition:

1. The battle of Mootah had been fought in A.D. 629. In the summer of A.D. 632, the Syrian frontier was peaceful and quiet, and there was no threat, real or fancied, of an invasion of Medina from the north. In fact, there were not even any rumors of an attack upon Medina or Hijaz by anyone. And yet, Muhammad Mustafa was showing the greatest anxiety to send his army to Syria.

2. Usama's expedition was organized, apparently, to restore the morale of the Muslims after their rout in the battle of Mootah, and to chastise those people who had killed his father, Zayd bin Haritha.

The Apostle charged Usama with the task of exacting retribution from the killers of his father. Now Jaafer ibn Abi Talib, the Winged Martyr of Islam, and the elder brother of Ali, was also killed in the same battle. But the Prophet did not send Ali or any other member of the clan of Hashim with the expedition. He kept them all with him in Medina.

3. Despite his fatal illness, the Prophet was urging the army to march on Syria. He brusquely dismissed the professed solicitude of some of his Companions for his welfare, and ordered them to go with Usama forthwith.

4. Usama bin Zayd bin Haritha was the commanding officer of those companions of the Prophet who were old enough to be his grandfathers such as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Abu Obaida bin al-Jarrah, Abdur Rahman bin Auf, and many others. The Prophet was thus stressing the principle, just before his death, that the Muslims were not to consider a man worthy of leadership merely because he was old.

5. If a qualified person is available to become a leader, then an unqualified person must not displace him. The companions raised objection to Usama's leadership on this ground. The Prophet agreed that only the most qualified person ought to be invested with supreme authority. But he maintained that Usama was more qualified than all those men who were ordered to serve under him, his extreme youth notwithstanding.

6. The Sunni Muslims say that the Prophet “consulted” his Companions, and this made his government a “democracy.” It is true that he “consulted” them occasionally in some minor matters but he himself made all decisions without reference to them. At Hudaybiyya, Umar bin al-Khattab led the opposition to him when he was negotiating terms of peace with the pagans. He ignored the opposition, went ahead and signed a treaty with them.

Later, Sunni jurists explained that the Prophet ignored Umar's protests because he (the Prophet) was acting under the commands of Heaven. They are right. But the appointment of Usama as general of the army had nothing to do with the commands of Heaven and the Prophet was free to rescind his orders when confronted with opposition from the Companions. But he refused even to talk with them on the subject much less to “consult” them in the matter.

7. The Prophet's orders to his Companions to serve under Usama, and to leave Medina for Syria, were most emphatic. But they did not leave Medina, and he died. They, thus, realized their aim which was to be physically present in Medina at his death.

8. Those Companions of the Prophet whom he had ordered to report for duty to Usama – their general – were defying him while he was still alive. If they could disregard his orders and his wishes in his lifetime, they could just as casually, disregard his orders and wishes in the matter of his succession after his death. They put their own ambitions and interests ahead of the commands and wishes of Muhammad Mustafa, the blessed Messenger of God.

 

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For those who seeks guidance there is guidance in " when people ask Hazrat Maryam (as) , from where this baby came , who is father of him ? " .. Hazrat Maryam (as) said ask baby .. and Prophet Isa (as) gave the guidance even he is in cradle but talks like adult.

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فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ ۖ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَنْ كَانَ فِي الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا {29}

[Pickthal 19:29] Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?

قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا {30}

[Pickthal 19:30] He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,

وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنْتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا {31}

[Pickthal 19:31] And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,

http://quran.al-islam.org/

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".....This was the first time that the Prophet openly and publicly called the relations to accept him as the Messenger and Prophet of Allah; he also uses the words "akhi wa wasiyyi wa khalifati- my brother, my successor, my caliph" for the person who will aid him in this mission. No one answered him; they all held back except the youngest of them - 'Ali bin Abi Talib. He stood up and said, "I will be your helper, O Prophet of God."

The Prophet put his hand on the back of 'Ali's neck and said:

"Inna hadha akhhi wa wasiyyi wa khalifati fikum, fasma'u lahu wa ati'u - Verily this is my brother, my successor, and my caliph amongst you; therefore, listen to him and obey."1

https://www.al-islam.org/shiism-imamate-and-wilayat-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/self-censorship-muslim-history-case-study-dawat-dhu#2-first-open-call-islam

 

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You absolutely remember the prophet's best friend, Yaari Ghar Hazrat Abu Bakr(Ra)

Meaning of Mawla ?

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‘Ali (as) is the brother of the Prophet (S) and Harun (as) was the blood-brother of Musa (as). The Prophet (S) gave the same position to ‘Ali (as) by making the brotherhood contract [‘aqd al-ukhuwwah]. There are numerous traditions regarding this topic that have been transmitted in Shi’ah and Sunni sources, one of which we will describe.

It has been transmitted from ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar that: When the Messenger of Allah (S) entered Madina, he made all the companions brothers of one another. Thus, ‘Ali (as) came with tears in his eyes saying: O Messenger of Allah (S), you made all the companions brothers of each other, but you did not make me the brother of anyone? The Messenger of Allah (S) replied: O ‘Ali, you are my brother in this world and the hereafter.54

https://www.al-islam.org/principles-faith-usul-al-din-husayn-vahid-khorasani/divine-leadership-imamat#second-brotherhood

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23 hours ago, mm2236 said:

While reading Qur'an, I found the coming queues of the Khalifas.. In this verse(Ayah)
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah;and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward."
(QS. Al-Fath 48: Verse 29)

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah= The prophet
and those with him=when you hear that word, You absolutely remember the prophet's best friend, Yaari Ghar Hazrat Abu Bakr(Ra)
are forceful against the disbelievers,

:) How many disbelievers did he killed in the battles of Badr, Uhud, Khandaq, Khyber & Hunayn? 

So forceful & brave was he that he started crying in cave.

Lets now see the verse once again, check whether all of those who are companions got free entry to jannah or is there any exceptions. I am highlighting that very part for you:

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29:
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

 

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@Laayla @Salsabeel @alirex @S.M.H.A.

salaam , thank you so much , shame on me, I think that I'm Shia , but when people asks me I couldn't even answer them , after 1400 years our mola (Amir-al-momenin) is alone yet, I wish someday we can show the world who is Ali !

بابی انت و امی یا امیرالمومنین

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On 8/16/2018 at 8:37 PM, mm2236 said:

Salaam , I had a discussion with someone and he was against Shia islam , so it would be great if you answer him and help me to prove that Shia islam and Amir-momenin Ali A/S is right !

he says :

and when he said it was his right to be after prophet he says

and he continue

thanks for your help...

Imam Ali AS is the successor of the prophet Muhammad saaw:

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/beliefs-did-prophet-s-appoint-successor

"I believe Shia people are also muslim and I defend them to every friend of mine, but I have a reason why I don't believe in that Hazrat Ali Had to be the first Caliph..
 While reading Qur'an, I found the coming queues of the Khalifas.. In this verse(Ayah)
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah;and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward."
(QS. Al-Fath 48: Verse 29)

The reply can be seen at the given link:

There are three groups of companions as per Quran, the detail can be seen at the following link:

 

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Salaam please give me a true article about martyrdom of Hazrat Zahra (sa) , this guys write this and says omar do nothing with bibi !

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In the year 11 A.H, immediately after the Prophet Muhammad (saw) had returned from Hajj, he became ill. He knew that soon he would leave this earth, and he let everyone know of this.

According to Ibne Abbas when the Prophet (pbuh) was on his deathbed people saw him crying so much that his beard and shirt became wet with tears. Somebody asked him, "What makes you cry so much, Oh the Messenger of Allah?"

The Prophet (S.A.W.) answered, "I am crying for my progeny (‘Ahlul Bayt’) against whom many crimes will be committed by 'Ummah' after my death.

"It is as if I can see my daughter Fatima (r.anha) being oppressed and she calling out 'Oh father,’ but none from my Ummah coming for her help."

On hearing this Hazrat Fatima (RA) began to weep.

The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said, “Do net weep, my daughter.
"I ‘m not weeping for what will befall on me but because I will be separated from you, O! The Messenger of Allah."

The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) then said, "Rejoice, The daughter of Muhammad. For you will be the first one among the ‘Ahlul Bayf to follow me."

He (S.A.W.) finally left this world.. his last words to her were: ''Daughter, I' m leaving you; Peace be on you from me."

Then,Hazrat Abu Bakr as-Siddq (ra) has been chosen as the caliph of Islam..
When it happened Hazrat Ali (ra) was at the graveyarf of Hazrat Muhammad..

When he came to know of what had happened at 'Saqifa', Imam Ali was very much hurt. He refused to accept Abu Bakr as the Caliph. He retired in the house of Hazrat Fatima (r.anha).The Government was very angry with Imam Ali (Ra). Because he didn't give aligiance to Hazrat Abu Bakr..

To get him out of the house of Hazrat Fatima (RadiAllahu Anha), the government's people set fire on the door of the house. The door was then pushed in. Imam Ali (Ra) was taken to Abu Bakr by force.

The burning door fell on Hazrat Fatima (ra) and hurt her so much that her ribs were broken.  The child Muhsin, who was in her womb was killed..

Hazrat Fatima (Ranha) went crying to the Mosque. Imam Ali (Ra) was let free only when Hazrat Fatima (R.anha) was about to ask for Allah's curse on those who had captured Imam Ali (R.a.) and were threatening to kill him.

Imam Ali went to the Prophet's grave and with tears in his eyes, complained to him saying, "Oh my Brother -your people now treat me with disrespect and are threatening to kill me."


One day, during the time when Hazrat Fatima (ra) was ill in bed. Imam Ali (ra) returned home and he found her beloved wife very busy, cooking and cleaning her children, Imam Hasan and Imam Husain (RadiAllahuAnhuma) . Imam Ali (RadiAllahuAnh) asked her as to why she was so hard working.

Tears started flowing from her eyes. She told him that on the previous night she had seen her father in a dream. She told him about the troubles that she had to go through after his death and that she found life without him very difficult. Her dear father, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) consoled her and told her not to worry any more because after one day she would be with him.

By this dream Hazrat Fatima (ra) knew that it was her last day. So she wanted to do all that she could for her beloved children before she was separated from them by death.

This news made Imam Ali (ra) very sad.

Hazrat Fatima (ranha) then made her final wishes known to him. Her first wish was that those who had oppressed her and her husband should not be allowed to attend her burial.

To make this possible, she wished that she be buried in the darkness of night. Secondly, she recommended Imam Ali (ra) to many Amana, the daughter of Zainab, as she would take good care of the children.

Thirdly, she requested Imam Ali (ra) to be extra careful with Imam Hasan and Imam Husain (ranhuma) as they would be very sad after their mother's death.

With tears in his eyes Imam Ali (ra) said goodbye to her and went to the Mosque together with Imam Hasan (ra) and Imam Hussein (ra).

Hazrat Fatima (ra) was now left home alone with Asma Bint Umays. Asma reports that when alone, Hazrat Fatima (ranha) put on a new garment and perfumed herself. She then retired to the place where she used to pray daily. She asked Asma to leave her alone as she wished to carry out some special prayers in remembrance of Allah, the Almighty. She requested Asma to come back to her after sometime and check if she was still alive or not.

Asma says, "I did as I was told. When left alone, Hazrat Fatima (ra) started addressing Allah and praying for the well being of her followers. After sometime there was silence. I rushed to see what she was doing and saw that she was lying straight on her back. Her face was covered with a piece of cloth.

When I removed the cloth from her face, I found her not breathing any more. She had left this world to join her father.”

As per her wishes, Imam Ali buried her in the darkness of the night. Besides Imam Ali (ra) and his two sons, very few others such as Ammar, Salman, Mikdad and Abu Zar attended her funeral.


Fearing that those people who had not been allowed to attend Hazrat Fatima's funeral may do harm to her grave, Imam Ali (Ra) made several graves so that her true grave remained a secret.

There are four possible places where she could have been buried: First, in her own house, second, in the graveyard of Baqee in the area where our four Imams are buried;

third, at a place between the Prophet's grave and his Mimbar in the Mosque of the Prophet, and fourth, at the place in Baqee where Imam Ali Ra had built a shelter for her so that she could weep for her father (Bayt-Ul-Huzn).

Today, when the followers of Hazrat Fatima (Ra) go to Medina, they show their respect to her by visiting all these places except at "Baytul Huzn" which has been totally wiped out by the "Wahhabis."

As for the grave in the graveyard of Baqee, the "Wahhabis" destroyed the mausoleums in 1926.

http://www.aldhiaa.com/english/book/book/holy_prophet_and_ahlul_bayt_library/fatime_al_zahra/a_brief_biography_of_hazrat_fatima_a_s/008.html

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