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In Surah Twabah,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Also after Khayber "The Jews of Khaybar finally surrendered after seeing no way out and were allowed to live in the oasis on the condition that they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar.

Please explain how is it fair to ask jizya from Ahl e Kitab and further interpretation for polytheist is that he should be fought with and no jizya is acceptable in that case.

YA QAEM ALAJAL

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5 hours ago, Messam RAza said:

In Surah Twabah,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Also after Khayber "The Jews of Khaybar finally surrendered after seeing no way out and were allowed to live in the oasis on the condition that they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar.

Please explain how is it fair to ask jizya from Ahl e Kitab and further interpretation for polytheist is that he should be fought with and no jizya is acceptable in that case.

YA QAEM ALAJAL

We pay Zakat and khums. They pay jizya.

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3 hours ago, Carlzone said:

And how much is it now?

 

2 hours ago, Qa'im said:

I’m not sure if it’s paid during the ghayba. It would be an interesting topic to look into. 

There is no set formula for jizya per my understanding.

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2 hours ago, Qa'im said:

I’m not sure if it’s paid during the ghayba. It would be an interesting topic to look into. 

Depends on the faqih. 

 

( مسألة 63 ) : الظاهر أنه لا فرق في مشروعية أخذ الجزية من أهل الكتاب بين أن يكون في زمن الحضور أو في زمن الغيبة لاطلاق الادلة وعدم الدليل على التقييد ، ووضعها عليهم في هذا الزمان إنما هو بيد الحاكم الشرعي كما وكيفا حسب ما تقتضيه المصلحة العامة للامة الاسلامية .

https://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=6671

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From what i gather from your answers and other sources is that Islam does not impose general sales tax or land tax etc etc. As per Islam, Muslim is to give zakat and khums 2.5% each of his total savings. Moreover, they are required to fight for their country and Islam when need arises. As for non Muslims no such thing is binding them while they enjoy the facilities and safety of government in which they are living hence Ahl e kitab are allowed to stay on their previous believes if they agree to pay this tax.

Now the question arises in my mind
1: as we say  "religion of peace". It does not allow a diplomatic solution/offer to polytheist and the only options for them are to flee/convert or die fighting. Jizya is not acceptable by polytheist or atheist. 

2: Why isn't there a cap on it. I mean while Muslims are bound to pay  2.5% (more than this is voluntarily) Ahl e Kitab could be bound to pay more. As in case of khayber were asked to pay  half of everything. Why it is  like that.

3: If Muslim does not pay Zakat then apparently there are no repercussions. Khalifa e saani did fight them but currently there are lots of Muslims in world who do not practice zakat or khums. But there is no fatwa to fight against them by any sect of Muslim. So why is it that if Ahle Kitan don't pay jizya muslims are asked to fight them and "humble" them?

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The jizya is a collective tax, not a head tax, whose amount is agreed upon by mutual consultation. And the benefits which the government offers are matters of communal and national interest - defending the territory from outside aggression, establishing security, maintaining the environment, building infrastructure, etc., not the sort of benefits you can opt out of. So even though it is not a personal head tax, for the sake of argument, you can either pay taxes, go to jail or leave the country. Pretty much the same thing which nation-states demand. Jizya in addition exempts non Muslims, or dhimmi, of the laws, rights, obligations, penalties etc of that state religion in matters that do not concern the society as a whole. That is because the sharia for Muslim governance of non-Muslim citizens is that non-Muslims should not be forced to follow the moral laws dictated in the Quran. Thus, Muslims of all ages and empires, prior to contemporary Islamism had an understanding that non-Muslims should be left essentially to govern themselves, after their commitment to maintaining peace and living by the rule of law is established. Hence, Muslims in places like India, Spain and Malaya were minorities who ruled over much larger non-Muslim populations, who formed the bulk of their armies and civil administrations in many situations.


As said above, in a secular state the issue is pretty much the same. Special taxes will apply to alien residents, who in addition to having to compensate the state for providing them with benefits of all kind, must also exempt themselves from the obligations and rights that apply to the citizen of that state (military service, various taxes on salaries, financial regulations etc). So, just as in a religious state, if they want the right to live as aliens with a different set of laws than the state's then they need to compensate the government for giving them that right, in addition to having to contribute to the maintenance of the benefits they daily enjoy. Paying that tax will protect them from being pursued and punished by that government and should they rebel against the laws of that host state then they will be forcefully made to pay the taxes in ackowledgment of their submission. Jizya wasnt aimed at enriching anyone, contrary to the divinely blessed taxation and hoarding of riches and spoils attributed in the Bible to the prophet king David and his appointed governors in his conquests which he dedicated to the building of national religious edifices (on the ruins of other people's) 2Sam8,1Chr18:2,6,8,13,20:1-2,26;26-7 and personal glory as well 2Sam12:29-31, as was later done by his successor the wise king and prophet Solomon in line with the rules of the monarchy dictating that the king's expenditures (a "heavy yoke" that ultimately caused the scission of the kingdom of Israel after Solomon's death 1Kings12) should be collected from all people under his dominion 1Sam8:11 (some exemples of the daily rights, gifts and luxuries of the Jewish monarch to be brought forth by conquered nations in 1Kings5:1-7,9:14-15,27-28,2Chr27:5), whose similiarily appointed representents collected his levy from Jews and non-Jews, the difference between the 2 groups being that when the conquered nations could not pay they were reduced to forced labor 1Kings9:21.

 

Contrary to this subduing system aimed at benefiting a party and lowering another, going back to the days of Joshua (Josh16:10) and before, jizya partly financed the functioning of a society in which those who paid it were fully part of.
Some insidious critics like calling it "protection money" but the fact is every taxation system in the world can be termed "protection money" since the failure in paying results in punishment from the governement, whether they be citizen or not.


Under that system non Muslims are obviously favored since they enjoy a sort of autonomy within a state and may live by the regulations of their own religions as long as these do not create a conflict with the state religion (drinking alcohol privately for example). They may deliberate, individualy deny, or reform their religious laws to their liking and to fit their desires without any concern about the laws of the state, again, so long as no conflict occurs between the 2.  

 

Because they get to keep their religion and rules and can never be forced to renounce them, the only citizen obligation that applies to them is the payment of the jizya either volontarily or through force if they decide to remain in Muslim land but rebel against that only law. Although punishment isn't prescribed for Muslims refusing to acquit themselves of the taxes, since these taxes are caritative and it would obviously be absurd to punish someone for refusing to be charitable, Muslims on the other hand do get punished for refusing to acquit themselves of other citizen obligations that do not apply to dhimmis, including fighting for the country's defence. The polytheists are an exception to that rule within the strict precincts of the Kaaba where the practice of their religion is forbidden, with no possible compromise, as it goes against the most fundamental pillars of truth. They have the options of leaving the sacred land and keeping their religion or remain and joining the monotheistic groups mentionned above. Converting to Islam is a 2nd possibility which would allow them the stay.

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On 8/16/2018 at 8:47 AM, Messam RAza said:

From what i gather from your answers and other sources is that Islam does not impose general sales tax or land tax etc etc. As per Islam, Muslim is to give zakat and khums 2.5% each of his total savings. Moreover, they are required to fight for their country and Islam when need arises. As for non Muslims no such thing is binding them while they enjoy the facilities and safety of government in which they are living hence Ahl e kitab are allowed to stay on their previous believes if they agree to pay this tax.

Now the question arises in my mind
1: as we say  "religion of peace". It does not allow a diplomatic solution/offer to polytheist and the only options for them are to flee/convert or die fighting. Jizya is not acceptable by polytheist or atheist. 

2: Why isn't there a cap on it. I mean while Muslims are bound to pay  2.5% (more than this is voluntarily) Ahl e Kitab could be bound to pay more. As in case of khayber were asked to pay  half of everything. Why it is  like that.

3: If Muslim does not pay Zakat then apparently there are no repercussions. Khalifa e saani did fight them but currently there are lots of Muslims in world who do not practice zakat or khums. But there is no fatwa to fight against them by any sect of Muslim. So why is it that if Ahle Kitan don't pay jizya muslims are asked to fight them and "humble" them?

-Khums is not 2.5 percent, it is one fifth (20 percent)

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12 hours ago, Nad_M said:

Because they get to keep their religion and rules and can never be forced to renounce them, the only citizen obligation that applies to them is the payment of the jizya either volontarily or through force if they decide to remain in Muslim land but rebel against that only law.

While other question pop up can you tell if at that time this GST was applied to every thing or not ? If answer is "No" that would explain a lot.  

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