Messi - The Greatest of all Time

[Thabit Al Jumayli]

How lucky are we, and how much do we take it for granted that the golden age of football is in our current time? Lionel Messi, the greatest there was, the greatest there is and the best through out all future generations is playing in our era right now. Soak it in, because we'll wish we had payed more attention when the day comes where he must finally retire.

 

[hasanhh]

l saw on dw.com Shift  this week a ranking on followers for soccer players. Lionel Messi ranked third.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 6/27/2018 at 3:19 PM, Thabit Al Jumayli said:

granted that the golden age of football is in our current tim

Messi is a very gifted player but in other aspects such as personality is a weak person he is not comparable with players such as Maradona ,in many times Messi supported oppressors such as Israelis at last Ronaldo has a personality to stands against injustice but non of them are comparable with classic one players such as Maradona ,etc 

[AbdusSibtayn]

Maradona is the all-time best!

Case closed.

[Hameedeh]

This is one topic where people are not going to agree. There are too many choices. 

Edited June 29, 2018 by Hameedeh
Preki was pretty good.

[Thabit Al Jumayli]

4 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Maradona is the all-time best!

Case closed.

 

3 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

This is one topic where people are not going to agree. There are too many choices. 

 

16 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Messi is a very gifted player but in other aspects such as personality is a weak person he is not comparable with players such as Maradona ,in many times Messi supported oppressors such as Israelis at last Ronaldo has a personality to stands against injustice but non of them are comparable with classic one players such as Maradona ,etc 

 

On 6/28/2018 at 9:43 PM, hasanhh said:

l saw on dw.com Shift  this week a ranking on followers for soccer players. Lionel Messi ranked third.

I'll ignore that Palestine/Israel conflict comment because it's irrelevant but I understand that emotionally in regards to my hearty nostalgia I would blindly say Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane or Maradona are the greatest. And as far as personality Cristiano Ronaldo, Thomas Muller and David Beckham would be on that list. But when looked at unbiasedly & unemotionally with cold hard logic from a third person perspective, as far as skill, technique and talent, Lionel Messi is the Greatest of all Time when it comes to pure, unadulterated footballing magic. The sad thing is, only when Messi retires will people start to love him and miss him. My words may be falling on deaf ears, but his record speaks for itself. But I understand that nostalgia is hard to break from. Enjoy the knockout stages guys!

[Ashvazdanghe]

18 hours ago, Thabit Al Jumayli said:

I'll ignore that Palestine/Israel conflict comment because it's irrelevant

Salam ,it's not just about nostalgia or emotion for example Pele was a miraculous  player at his time like as Messi but he is just a brand advertiser in propaganda machine of capitalists  but Maradona  despite his self destruction behavior always is a symbol of standing injustice , Messi hypnotize everybody in field but out of field is nothing but players as CR7 & Zidane have their personality also one of reasons that media is not in favor of cr7 as Messi is because he has anti Zionist personality but Messi is just a good boy that does what zionist media dictate to him. 

[Natsu]

PELE

DONT U DARE DISRESPECT PELE BOYY

[King]

On 6/28/2018 at 5:20 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Messi is a very gifted player but in other aspects such as personality is a weak person he is not comparable with players such as Maradona ,in many times Messi supported oppressors such as Israelis at last Ronaldo has a personality to stands against injustice but non of them are comparable with classic one players such as Maradona ,etc 

You do realize that Ronaldo actually went to Israel and made commercials? These were heavily criticized by pro Palestinians.  That video floating around WhatsApp of him making anti-Israeli comments is mostly fabricated.

[King]

As for the OP.  Messi is undoubtedly one of the 4 best players of all time.  In my opinion Messi, Maradona and Brazilian Ronaldo are the 3 best players I have ever seen.  I feel Pele is overrated and CR7 doesn't even belong in the same conversation.  Zidane is also up there but even he was not as naturally gifted as the 3 I mentioned.

[Natsu]

12 minutes ago, King said:

As for the OP.  Messi is undoubtedly one of the 4 best players of all time.  In my opinion Messi, Maradona and Brazilian Ronaldo are the 3 best players I have ever seen.  I feel Pele is overrated and CR7 doesn't even belong in the same conversation.  Zidane is also up there but even he was not as naturally gifted as the 3 I mentioned.

Pele is not at all overrated 

and did u just put the brazilian ronaldo higher than zidane and pele and cristiano

DO U EVEN FOOTBALL BRUHH

[King]

28 minutes ago, Natsu said:

Pele is not at all overrated 

and did u just put the brazilian ronaldo higher than zidane and pele and cristiano

DO U EVEN FOOTBALL BRUHH

Yeah, I guess you didn't watch R9 play.  This is him as a teenager:

 

And this is Zidane talking about Ronaldo:

 

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by King

[Natsu]

14 minutes ago, King said:

Yeah, I guess you didn't watch R9 play.  This is him as a teenager:

 

And this is Zidane talking about Ronaldo:

 

 

Unfortunately i cant open any YouTube videos for some reason

but i assume that zidane praised ronaldo 

Still even if zidane says that ronaldo is better than him

that doesn’t make ronaldo better than him

last time I checked,the top 5 greatest players of all time were

1-pele

2-maradona

3-zidane

4-CR7

5-messi

Edited July 1, 2018 by Natsu

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 hours ago, King said:

You do realize that Ronaldo actually went to Israel and made commercials? These were heavily criticized by pro Palestinians.  That video floating around WhatsApp of him making anti-Israeli comments is mostly fabricated.

yeah but i said that he has more personality than Messi but we can't expect that he completely be a pro Palestian  ,anyway all of sport brands controls by Zionists around the world so professional athletes must cooperate with them also he made  mistake about supporting White Helmets because of their good propaganda .

[Ashvazdanghe]

3 hours ago, King said:

You do realize that Ronaldo actually went to Israel and made commercials? These were heavily criticized by pro Palestinians.  That video floating around WhatsApp of him making anti-Israeli comments is mostly fabricated.

yeah but i said that he has more personality than Messi but we can't expect that he completely be a pro Palestinian  ,anyway all of sport brands controls by Zionists around the world so professional athletes must cooperate with them also he made  mistake about supporting White Helmets because of their good propaganda also Messi visited Western Wall & prayed there also before start of WC2018 Argentina (Messi) had a plan for a friendly match with Israeli team but because of pressure of Social media they had to cancel it.

 

  

Edited July 1, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 6/29/2018 at 7:07 PM, Thabit Al Jumayli said:

 

 

 

I'll ignore that Palestine/Israel conflict comment because it's irrelevant but I understand that emotionally in regards to my hearty nostalgia I would blindly say Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane or Maradona are the greatest. And as far as personality Cristiano Ronaldo, Thomas Muller and David Beckham would be on that list. But when looked at unbiasedly & unemotionally with cold hard logic from a third person perspective, as far as skill, technique and talent, Lionel Messi is the Greatest of all Time when it comes to pure, unadulterated footballing magic. The sad thing is, only when Messi retires will people start to love him and miss him. My words may be falling on deaf ears, but his record speaks for itself. But I understand that nostalgia is hard to break from. Enjoy the knockout stages guys!

Bro, I was talking from the standpoint of previous generations too. In this generation, he's hands down the best. I am a Messi fanatic myself!

[Ashvazdanghe]

Argentinian soccer star Lionel Messi became a member of the fan club of the controversial Israeli soccer team Beitar Jerusalem.

Beitar’s team owner, businessman Moshe Hogeg, presented Messi with a membership card at an event in Barcelona in which he presented Finney, the “world’s first ultra-secure blockchain smartphone.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/soccer-star-messi-joins-beitar-jerusalem-team-fans-club-1.6722886

Messi joins Israel's most racist clubs
12/7/2018, 7:04:24 PM

      
The most racist Israeli clubs have been declared against the Arabs, and a tendency towards the far right; the granting of membership to Barcelona player Lionel Messi.

 

Moshe Hogig, the right-wing Israeli businessman and owner of Beitar Jerusalem, presented the club's membership card to Messi, according to the official accounts of the club.

Messi is linked to a sponsorship contract with a company owned by the Israeli businessman, who has benefited from his relationship with the Argentine star to promote his club.

Even Leo Messi joined the club # BETRIST! Join now and enjoy a 50% discount on purchasing a Maccabi Netanya game card >> https://t.co/YyzC8Q9BEJ pic.twitter.com/LwKgYOHQqq - Beitar Jerusalem FC (@fcbeitar) December 4, 2018 http://www.tellerreport.com/sports/--messi-joins-israel-s-most-racist-clubs-.BkYZXMuy4.html http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/255797   (contains video of his acceptance fan card )

[strength=Abbas]

Suarez !! I do like Suarez more than Messi . But technically talking ,Messi is better than him. But I can't say if Ronaldo is better or Messi ! Neymar is also good too. Or maybe I better say was good! MSN was perfect !

[Don'tMakeAس]

Messi is great but he's never done enough when not surrounded by other world-class talents; Maradona, on the other hand, carried most of the teams he played on (from Napoli to the Argentinean national team) to greatness. Hell, forget Maradona, Messi hasn't even been as good as Cristiano in this regard.

This, and the fact that he was never good enough on the international stage, will ultimately be his downfall when it comes to GOAT conversations.

[Silas]

Messi is the best offensive threat I've seen. He is the Gretzky of football.

But there are other players who were more complete, such as Johann Cruyff

If I had to point to one guy and say best footballer ever, I would have to say Lev Yashin , the "black spider". He completely dominated. 

[hafeed al-zahra]

10 hours ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

Messi is great but he's never done enough when not surrounded by other world-class talents; Maradona, on the other hand, carried most of the teams he played on (from Napoli to the Argentinean national team) to greatness. Hell, forget Maradona, Messi hasn't even been as good as Cristiano in this regard.

This, and the fact that he was never good enough on the international stage, will ultimately be his downfall when it comes to GOAT conversations.

The bolded part reminds me of a comment I saw the other day, it went something like this:

Messi was only great because of Xavi and Iniesta, but they were only good because of Guardiola's system, but he was a fraud and his system was reliant on Messi, but Messi was only great because of Xavi and Iniesta, but they were only good because of Guardiola's system which was only great because of Messi who was reliant on Xavi and Iniesta and so on.

[Muhammed Ali]

On 7/1/2018 at 5:54 AM, Natsu said:

last time I checked,the top 5 greatest players of all time were

1-pele

2-maradona

3-zidane

4-CR7

5-messi

A lot of older footballers would replace Zidane with Di Stefano. I personally think Zico should be in that list.

Maradona was better than Messi, and so is CR7.

[Don'tMakeAس]

How else can you explain Messi's lack of success in the Argentinean team except for an inability to make mediocre players around him better?

 

And, although I enjoy watching CR7 ply his trade more, it has to be said that the consensus in the footballing world is that Messi has always been a bit better. I actually think the next few years will be instrumental in setting them apart -- Ronaldo's obviously trying very hard to write the stories that Messi will never be able to in the insulated surroundings of Catalonia.

[King]

On 12/11/2018 at 12:19 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

A lot of older footballers would replace Zidane with Di Stefano. I personally think Zico should be in that list.

Maradona was better than Messi, and so is CR7.

lol if you know anything about football, CR7 isn't even in the conversation as one of the top 3 all time.  It is Maradona Messi and Pele.  I would also put Zidane and Brazilian Ronaldo ahead of CR7.

As far as Messi having great players around him.  Messi has taken a totally dysfunctional Argentinian team to 3 international finals on his own. He hasn't managed to win a title but it is not like he is totally useless for Argentina, he makes one great player after another, is triple teamed and his teammates just cannot finish.

What Messi does on the pitch is magic, only Maradona produced the same brilliance on a daily basis.  Messi is the best dribbler, playmaker, FK taker and finisher in the world.  

[Ashvazdanghe]

19 minutes ago, King said:

I would also put Zidane and Brazilian Ronaldo ahead of CR7.

And now Luka Modrić is better than all of them even Messi didn't has achance this year.

[Muhammed Ali]

What is interesting is why people even have these discussions and the manner in which they have them. I don't think it is without good reason.

[Muhammed Ali]

3 hours ago, King said:

lol if you know anything about football, CR7 isn't even in the conversation as one of the top 3 all time. 

You know that isn't true. He is always in the conversation among experts. 

[Don'tMakeAس]

Marouane Fellaini is the greatest player of all time.

[Naam lewa e Panjetan (a.s]

On 12/12/2018 at 7:03 AM, Muhammed Ali said:

What is interesting is why people even have these discussions and the manner in which they have them. I don't think it is without good reason.

that is really true. Even in politics we do the same

[adnanflayih]

I agree with

[Mzwakhe]

On 6/29/2018 at 3:37 PM, Thabit Al Jumayli said:

But when looked at unbiasedly & unemotionally with cold hard logic from a third person perspective, as far as skill, technique and talent, Lionel Messi is the Greatest of all Time when it comes to pure, unadulterated footballing magic.

ia I don't know the extent of your understanding of how things work, of what is real & what is pure.

were another to come, would you say 'impossible, magic, miracle'? 

word 'greatest' is a loose sense here.

the third perspective view is different from the first hand view or gorilla on the back view or most critically the view of those who go & consult to view the tomorrows' matches & apply whatever alterations to whatever advantages/disadvantages.

alhamdulillah

[Mzwakhe]

On 6/27/2018 at 5:49 AM, Thabit Al Jumayli said:

Soak it in, because we'll wish we had payed more attention when the day comes where he must finally retire

salam,

please pay more attention on Surah Yasin...

Towards its retirement, there's something like 'Bee & it becomes'

[Mzwakhe]

- Is not He who created the heavens and the Earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes, [it is so]; and He is the Knowing Creator.

- His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, "Be," and it is.

- So exalted is He in whose hand is the realm of all things, and to Him you will be returned.

Yasin 81-83

[Mzwakhe]