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megaman

Are people of Islam the Last People?

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Hi guys.

Is there the belief among Muslim that they are the Final people?

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And every nation hath its term, and when its term cometh, they cannot put it off an hour nor yet advance (it).

وَلِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍ أَجَلٌ ۖ فَإِذَا جَاءَ أَجَلُهُمْ لَا يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً ۖ وَلَا يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ - 7:34

This verse makes it clear for me that every people have a time. For example Judaism ended with the Proclamation of Christ and Christianity ended with the Proclamation of Prophet Muhammad. Are Muslims the last people or will something follow?

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Thus We appointed you a midmost nation that you might be witnesses to the people, and that the Messenger might be a witness to you; and We did not appoint the direction thou wast facing, except that We might know who followed the Messenger from him who turned on his heels -- though it were a grave thing save for those whom God has guided; but God would never leave your faith to waste - truly, God is All-gentle with the people, All-compassionate.

وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَن يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّن يَنقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِن كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ - 2:143

My understanding from this verse is that there is a people to come after.

There is also a Hadith which testifieh to this truth:

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The Messenger of Allah said: "At the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great. He will rule for seven or eight years.  -Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

 

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12 hours ago, megaman said:

My understanding from this verse is that there is a people to come afte

Some people will back from past from time of Prophet Adam(as) until now ,during & after of reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) to experience justice & what promised also peoples that born after reappearance will be from current people but in best situation.

The Awaited -The Raj’a -return (part1]

The Raj’a

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Hi @Ashvazdanghe, what I meant was the people from the Dispensation of Islam. Like each religion has a set time.

Regarding Raj’a, I don't think it's physical but rather the attributes and realities surrounding that person. For example how they suffered or how patient and kind they were.

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2 hours ago, megaman said:

Regarding Raj’a, I don't think it's physical but rather the attributes and realities surrounding that person. For example how they suffered or how patient and kind they were.

hi @megaman it would be physical , if it was just spiritual ,the Raj'a wasn't necessary & they could see it as now see world from spirit view.

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Hi Megaman,

I can understand your motive behind this post.

You want to say (according to Quran) that every Ummah has a fixed time and that Islam's time is over after 1000 years (Baha'is believe that every religion has a time of 1000 years) and now this is a "New Era", a "New Age" when "God Manifested Himself" (in the body of Baha'u'llah) and people can now "See the God (or his glory) with their own Eyes" and that Islam has expired (Collapsed), Yaum-e-Qayamah has passed and this is the "New Day" of Baha'i Faith. RIGHT? And that everyone should accept the "Glory of God" Mr. Baha'u'llah, because only though his teachings the "Most Great Peace" would come? RIGHT?

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3 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, what I meant was the people from the Dispensation of Islam. Like each religion has a set time.

Regarding Raj’a, I don't think it's physical but rather the attributes and realities surrounding that person. For example how they suffered or how patient and kind they were.

Ok. So, Baha'u'llah is the metaphorical return of Imam Husayn? Can you tell me how? Comparing "suffering" of Baha'u'llah to that of Imam Husayn is a great intellectual injustice. Baha'u'llah did not "suffered" because of his beliefs or his conscience, he suffered because of the crimes that he and his followers committed. Being a leader of a group that tried to kill Naseruddin Shah, the murders of Azalis, the riots that Babis caused in different parts of Iran, the criminal actions of Babis and Baha'is, the support that he received from the Russian imperialist empire.

Baha'u'llah calls himself "the wronged one" but he spent all his life in luxuries, mansions and gardens. Go and see the pictures of his homes in Baghdad, Turkey and Israel!

Only time when Baha'u'llah may have suffered a great deal is when his mother used to beat his father in his home in Shimiran. Read this:

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With the backing of the Prime Minister and her powerful nephew, his last wife forced through the divorce with such a heavy settlement that he could not pay it immediately: so she had Bahá'u'lláh's father imprisoned in his own house, and set men to beat him daily and torture him to extract the money from him. At last, he was obliged to sell again his houses and furnishings in the capital for a negligible sum, leading to the separation of Bahá'u'lláh from His brother, who went to live near the entrance of a Mosque, whilst Bahá'u'lláh rented a place to live near the Gate of Shimiran, near the theological college where Mulla Husayn would stay on his journey, carrying the message of the Báb to Tihran.

https://bahai-library.com/merrick_holy-days_birth_baha

Baha'u'llah may also have suffered (or enjoyed!) in the mountains of Sulaymaniyyih where he spent two years (?) with his Sufi Friends in the caves of Sar Gulu!

Please stop it Megaman. Don't try to compare Baha'u'llah with Imam Husayn.

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1 hour ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, please do not diverge from the topic. If you would like to talk about Baha'u'llah or His sufferings you can create a thread or PM me and I would be more than happy to discuss.  

I am not moving from the topic. I just want to conclude it. Baha'u'llah is not the return of Imam Husayn, not even symbolically. Because I have showed you that his so called "suffering" was not suffering at all. He was enjoying a luxurious life with the support of forces that were hostile to Iran. Moreover, some of his own followers, who later disassociated with him, wrote this:

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Disgusted with the crimes laid at the door of the Bahai hierarchy, some BÁBis renounced their BÁBi faith and composed the following distich:
“If Husayn Ali [i.e. Baha, his real name Husayn Ali is written as one word in Persian and not as two separate words] is the manifestation of Husayn Ali [i.e. the third Imam, and son of Ali Ibn Ali Talib; Baha claims to be the Imam Husayn returned; the Imam's name Husayn Ali is written in Persian as two separate words] then may god grant heavenly bless thousand times to the pure soul of Yazid [i.e. the second Caliph of dynasty of Ommiades, son of Mu'awiya, having instigated the murder of the Imam Ali's two sons, Hasan & Husayn, his name is cursed by Moslems; his name is synonymous with a wicked and execrable person]. Husayn [i.e. the Imam] was the wronged-one (Mazlum) and not the wrongdoer [Yazid].” P. 16, The Tanbih Naimin.

You can read more here : http://www.bayanic.com/notes/assas/as01.html

So, I again request you not to compare Baha'u'llah with Imam Husayn. OK?

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15 hours ago, megaman said:

Thus We appointed you a midmost nation

واسط also means "moderate," "best," "leading," et cetera. Translating it as "midmost" and associating that with temporality - as you seem to be - looks to me like ad hoc justification of a presupposed narrative. 

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4 hours ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

واسط also means "moderate," "best," "leading," et cetera. Translating it as "midmost" and associating that with temporality - as you seem to be - looks to me like ad hoc justification of a presupposed narrative. 

Hi Rashid, I agree that some translations state it at just, moderate and fair but there are some that say midmost or middle.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=143 

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2 hours ago, notme said:

Islam is for all people, for all time. You can't say "people of Islam" - that's like saying "humanity". 

Hi @notme, I should have worded it better.

When I said Islam, I didn't mean "Submission to the Will of God", in which case I would agree with you is forever, but rather the people of Prophet Muhammad, the followers of Quran.

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13 minutes ago, megaman said:

followers of Quran

There is two type followers of Quran & Ahlulbayt  (as) if you just follow one of them you will become astray or Quran &Sunnah 

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41 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @notme, I should have worded it better.

When I said Islam, I didn't mean "Submission to the Will of God", in which case I would agree with you is forever, but rather the people of Prophet Muhammad, the followers of Quran.

Muslims believe that "submission to the will of God" and "following the Quran and Ahlul Bayt" are synonymous. Therefore, my point remains and we will continue to respectfully disagree. 

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