Are people of Islam the Last People?

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

20 hours ago, megaman said:

Dear Rashid, how did you come to the conclusion that Prophet means recipient of revelation? Aaron, brother of Moses was also a Prophet but not a Messenger so he did not receive a revelation. A Nabih is someone who brings news, prophecies and etc

I don't know why you're transliterating نبي with an h, or how you've conflated وحي with رسالة, but this response reveals a real lack of homework on your part. And you've side-stepped yet further afield of my original points.

[megaman]

13 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

I don't know why you're transliterating نبي with an h, or how you've conflated وحي with رسالة, but this response reveals a real lack of homework on your part. And you've side-stepped yet further afield of my original points.

Hi Rashid, thanks for pointing that out. My Arabic is very limited. 

I thought I answered all your points but I guess not. We are on the same boat because some of my quotes are unanswered as well :). I think the difference is how we are defining revelation. I define it was direct communication with God. For example the Quran. I started a new thread for this topic, feel free to comment on either threads.

[Arminmo]

On 6/27/2018 at 4:20 PM, megaman said:

I agree with that, but only until a certain time, as it is stated that each nation has a fixed term. For example, followers of Moses were Muslims, "In submission" but only until the Proclamation of Jesus. Those who rejected, would not be considered Muslims anymore.  

I'm trying to make the same point here for those "following the Quran".

Quran 2:140

Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.

I’m making the point here for you if you know meanings.

the thing is , as you can see from the verse, they weren’t called Jews and Christians, they were all Muslims ( in submission).

where does Baha’i means “in submission “ ???

Edited June 29, 2018 by Arminmo

[megaman]

2 hours ago, Arminmo said:

I’m making the point here for you if you know meanings.

the thing is , as you can see from the verse, they weren’t called Jews and Christians, they were all Muslims ( in submission).

where does Baha’i means “in submission “ ???

Hi @Arminmo, I already had this discussion earlier on this thread. It's my fault that my wording wasn't clear. I agree that they would be called Muslims (in submission). But notice how before the Quran there were Muslims, so doesn't it make sense that after it, there will be as well?

[Badi19]

On 6/28/2018 at 8:15 PM, megaman said:

My Arabic is very limited.

If you are serious about "Independent Investigation of Truth" then learn Arabic and Persian. Even Baha'u'llah has asked Baha'is to learn these two languages:

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/search/label/Learning Arabic

Bab and Baha both revealed "verses" in these two languages, try to learn them. You can then directly read your "scriptures" in their original languages, thus not depending on the tampered translations done by "Baha'i Administration". Sometimes Bab and Baha revealed the "verses" by mixing these two languages! One such "holy verse" is:

«ثم العاشر اذا استطعتم کل آثار النقطه تملکون و لو کان چاپا»

[Ashvazdanghe]

17 hours ago, Badi19 said:

لو کان چاپا 

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

11 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi Rashid, thanks for pointing that out. My Arabic is very limited. 

I thought I answered all your points but I guess not. We are on the same boat because some of my quotes are unanswered as well :). I think the difference is how we are defining revelation. I define it was direct communication with God. For example the Quran. I started a new thread for this topic, feel free to comment on either threads.

You don't know the difference between نبي and رسول, and you don't know what وحي means, yet you think you've made valid points for me to engage. Curious.

So from whence does the نبي get his (and her, according the Ashā`irah) نبأ? Do they make it up themselves, or is it revealed (يوحى) from Allāh ﷻ? And as for the رسول, who is it that sends - again via وحي - him his رسالة? Please. This fallacious differentiation you're seeking is non-existent; the way you define revelation is simply not valid.

And all of this, I imagine, was meant to affect a digression from my original point, i.e. your position that the Ummah of Muhammad ﷺ is temporally central rather than final, is also invalid - at least according to the Qur'ān.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Rashīd al-Hanafī

[megaman]

10 hours ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

And as for the رسول, who is it that sends - again via وحي - him his رسالة?

Hi Rashid, Messengers (Rasools) have direct communication with God. For example, Prophet Muhammad communicating with Jibril. 

Imams, as far as I know, are divinely guided, but there is no revelation like the one with Prophet Muhammad. Hence, one is a Messenger and the other isn't.

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

2 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi Rashid, Messengers (Rasools) have direct communication with God. For example, Prophet Muhammad communicating with Jibril. 

Imams, as far as I know, are divinely guided, but there is no revelation like the one with Prophet Muhammad. Hence, one is a Messenger and the other isn't.

Prophets are recipients of revelation, and Messengers are a sub-category of Prophet. But why did you mention Imāms? I'm not Shī`ī, you know, and Imāms have nothing to do with this topic anyway.

But let's stay on the point of your original question: yes, the Ummah of Muhammad ﷺ is the last religious community centered around genuine, divine Revelation (the Qur'ān).

[megaman]

3 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

I'm not Shī`ī, you know, and Imāms have nothing to do with this topic anyway.

Sorry, I didn't know. It's just that I was talking about prophets who weren't Messengers and Imams came up.

5 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

But let's stay on the point of your original question: yes, the Ummah of Muhammad ﷺ is the last religious community centered around genuine, divine Revelation (the Qur'ān).

Thanks.