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Recent statement of General Soleimani about Trump

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On 7/23/2018 at 7:27 PM, Silas said:

Laayla: I think everyone here, including myself, is completely against US proxy wars, interventionism, etc. 

The problem with Iran engaging in similar behavior is that it does not have the military, resources, or international support to do it, and it gives other nations a pretense, or excuse, to strike in retaliation.

Iran isn't going to defeat the US in some war --it has a 14 billion dollar military budget. The US has a 660 billion dollar military budget, countless more planes and ships, more troops, and nukes.

Any talk of war with the US is just craziness. How many people in Iran would want that? I suspect very few.

I support normalizing relations with Iran, lifting the sanctions, etc., but Iran needs to make some concessions as well--war would be a total disaster, and would greatly strengthen the position of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Qaseem Soulamani responded.   This is not going to die down.  This war is inevitable.   As much as Imam Hussain tried to reason with 3mar ibn Sa3d and Yazid's army, they still wanted war.  We have reached this point.  Don't expect Iran to make another deal with the Devil himself.  

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&Major General Soleimani sharply reacts to Trump’s treat 

 

You may start the war but we will end it Soleimani warns Trump

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Life of Qasim Soleimani soldier to General

https://youtu.be/B8tRGXlO__A

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no no no all of you are wrong.... this is all fake.. iran and usa are secret allies.. I have information from someone in australia that they worked together in the 1980s.  so all of you have been deceived into thinking they hate each other.. they are just doing this for the ratings

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Senior figures in the Turnbull Government have told the ABC they believe the United States is prepared to bomb Iran's nuclear capability, perhaps as early as next month, and that Australia is poised to help identify possible targets.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/donald-trump-may-be-prepared-to-strike-iran-sources-say/10037728

I wouldnt put it past Trump to drag America in an unwinnable war. 

Anyone also read on the Millenium challenge? This was a war simulation done by the US military against a potential Iran conflict; the results were devastating for the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

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5 hours ago, shiasoldier786 said:

Senior figures in the Turnbull Government have told the ABC they believe the United States is prepared to bomb Iran's nuclear capability, perhaps as early as next month, and that Australia is poised to help identify possible targets.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/donald-trump-may-be-prepared-to-strike-iran-sources-say/10037728

I wouldnt put it past Trump to drag America in an unwinnable war. 

Anyone also read on the Millenium challenge? This was a war simulation done by the US military against a potential Iran conflict; the results were devastating for the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

The US doesn't need invade Iran, it can attack key assets like military installation, nuclear targets, oil targets - through superior airpower - and blockade the country just like it did to Iraq in the 90s. 

Of course the blowback is Iranian ballistic missiles and Iranian proxy groups that can do significant damage to US interests, bases and allies.

I don't think America wants to spend trillions on a ground invasion.

Anyway PM Turnbull downplayed this report.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

The US doesn't need invade Iran, it can attack key assets like military installation, nuclear targets, oil targets - through superior airpower - and blockade the country just like it did to Iraq in the 90s.

 

Of course, any time a country enters a war, it can do so on its own terms without any worry about anything. Right? Right???

 

I mean this above statement is just delusional, and I'm not targetting you specifically @Sumerian because a lot of people say things like this and I want to know what they're on. The whole problem of the US right now with respect to Iran is that they cannot have conflict limited to the small sphere which they choose. In my opinion, even the limited conflict they seek will not accomplish what they want, which is regime change, but whatever: either way, the Iranian response - the blows it will deal to the US Navy as well as to regional US military bases, via it's missile capability - will make the escalation of conflict unavoidable. The reason why the US has yet to invade Iran (or the DPRK for that matter, which is a far poorer country with far less chips in its hand) is because it cannot win. If winning were as easy as the hawkish people think it is, it would have been done by now. There have been reports of imminent war since when? I personally remember some as far back as 2002 but I am sure they were before that, as well - as far back as the 1980s - but I was just too young to notice or understand.

 

I don't think a war will happen, because I think the Pentagon knows it's a death wish and have known that for some time now. But it's not impossible. We'll see. I don't want it to happen, because it will cause a lot of hardship for a lot of people (and it will most certainly escalate into a more global conflict), but what can you do? The US is an insane asylum where the most dangerous inmates are running the show; you never know what's going to happen.

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

Of course we want to avoid war at all costs.  But when the enemy threatens and insists they think we will bow down or be intimidated, they should reconsider their calculations.  An attack on Iran, will ignite the region.  The zionists will have a hand in this war and it would be a green light to bomb Lebanon.  This won't look pretty at all.  But this time as brother Jackson said it won't be war at one area, even the enemy will face attacks in their own backyard.  Brother Qassem Sulamani is not a man to play with.  He said look at your previous predecessors, Iran is NOT Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.

Iran is a whole different ballpark.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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2 hours ago, baradar_jackson said:

 

Of course, any time a country enters a war, it can do so on its own terms without any worry about anything. Right? Right???

 

I mean this above statement is just delusional, and I'm not targetting you specifically @Sumerian because a lot of people say things like this and I want to know what they're on. The whole problem of the US right now with respect to Iran is that they cannot have conflict limited to the small sphere which they choose. In my opinion, even the limited conflict they seek will not accomplish what they want, which is regime change, but whatever: either way, the Iranian response - the blows it will deal to the US Navy as well as to regional US military bases, via it's missile capability - will make the escalation of conflict unavoidable. The reason why the US has yet to invade Iran (or the DPRK for that matter, which is a far poorer country with far less chips in its hand) is because it cannot win. If winning were as easy as the hawkish people think it is, it would have been done by now. There have been reports of imminent war since when? I personally remember some as far back as 2002 but I am sure they were before that, as well - as far back as the 1980s - but I was just too young to notice or understand.

 

I don't think a war will happen, because I think the Pentagon knows it's a death wish and have known that for some time now. But it's not impossible. We'll see. I don't want it to happen, because it will cause a lot of hardship for a lot of people (and it will most certainly escalate into a more global conflict), but what can you do? The US is an insane asylum where the most dangerous inmates are running the show; you never know what's going to happen.

The problem with your thinking is you seem to overestimate your country's capability. You don't even have air defenses that can track the US's most powerful fighters jets or bombers. All it takes for a mission to hit specific targets in a country is air superiortity.

Now Iran might retaliate with a barrage of ballistic missiles but that won't end well. That will just force the US to level Iranian cities and in return escalate.

Whatever damage you do to American assets, it is nothing compared to the destruction America can do to you. You have so much vulnerabilities, you have little international support and your economy relies on one source which will likely be destroyed in any war.

Stop overestimating yourselves. And don't give me the "rely on faith" nonsense because you always compromise.

Rhetoric has never won a war. And it never will.

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A marine general led a fictional Iran against US military-and won

 

Why Iran can not sink a US SUPER carrier ? Top 5 facts

US vs Iran -strait of Hormuz 

 

Iran Emergence as a global force 

https://youtu.be/9qe9ufE6pro

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25 minutes ago, Laayla said:

Brother @Sumerian

Assalam Alikum wa joum3 mubaraqa.

Expand what you saying above.

He is saying his zero military experience and wikipedia facts is right and hajj qasim is wrong. 

He simply doesn't understand that if Person X has Person Y´z baby in his hands with a gun to its head, Person X can have all the air power in the world and will still not be able to do anything. I´ll let the people decide what that means in this context. 

What he learned from the imams is cherry picked. Go tell Imam Ali how he overestimated his "power" when they put Quran on the spears and a knife under his throat to retreat. Faith is more powerful than you think and Imam Ali also compromised and told Malik to return. On paper all the wars of the Prophet and Imam Ali should have been losses, due to numbers and forces, but what prevailed was faith and tactics, not number of swords and spears. And when they did lose like Uhud, it was due to faith. Reading Fiqh books all day and not actually learning from history and Imams is a dangerous thing. A little analytical skill goes a long way. 

Thirdly. What hajj Qasim is saying is that what you see is not what you get. What you see is on wikipedia, whilst in reality, even high level commanders are blindfolded when they are taken to visit certain research and development sites, missile silos and tactical positions of the Quds group is always hidden from most eyes. Most concentrated group of US bases are in the middle east with most of its foreign troops stationed there. And their air defence systems are probably one of the worst in the world atm(refer to patriot). 

The American people also can not live without luxury of purchase. As soon as all oil is closed down and all export from China is disrupted through yemen port, the whole EU and US prices will escalate beyond recognition. Dont forget Vietnam. There are so many factors involved here, which is what Hajj Qasim is trying to say, and the military experts in the US already know, that is what Bush Senior barked, Clinton Barked, Obama barked and now Trump is barking, but they never do anything, instead their marines are caught in Iranian waters and soil themselves on live TV. 

Only way the US can "invade" Iran is with skinny jeans and satellite dishes with western shows and mess up the next 2-3 generations. And unfortunately they have been fairly successful with that in many areas. 

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20 minutes ago, Laayla said:

Brother @Sumerian

Assalam Alikum wa joum3 mubaraqa.

Expand what you saying above.

If defeating the enemies of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى was so easy the Imams (as) would have revolted and defeated the false Caliphs.

There is a rule in Fiqh; if you don't have the numbers then war isn't wajib (unless it's defensive). 

My point is your enemy is the greatest military to ever exist. Islam says rely on faith but it doesn't say commit suicide. That's the truth.

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3 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

If defeating the enemies of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى was so easy the Imams (as) would have revolted and defeated the false Caliphs.

There is a rule in Fiqh; if you don't have the numbers then war isn't wajib (unless it's defensive). 

My point is your enemy is the greatest military to ever exist. Islam says rely on faith but it doesn't say commit suicide. That's the truth.

In which war was this proven? All they have ever done is attack people who can't hit back. Actually all they have ever done is attack people which had AK47 as their most powerful defence tool, and still never actually won, just spent a whole lot of money and got their own people pissed off due to taxes being wasted on nothing, whilst their most advanced plane got shot down with a 60 year old anti air radar system in Serbia. Greatest..............

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1 minute ago, repenter said:

In which war was this proven? All they have ever done is attack people who can't hit back. Actually all they have ever done is attack people which had AK47 as their most powerful defence tool, and still never actually won, just spent a whole lot of money and got their own people pissed off due to taxes being wasted on nothing, whilst their most advanced plane got shot down with a 60 year old anti air radar system in Serbia. Greatest..............

Lol. You know the same Saddam which your country fought for 8 years? His Army was disassembled in a few weeks and he had the latest Soviet equipment, which turned out to be a joke in front of Western technology.

What your country took 8 years to fight .. American destroyed in months due to airpower. 

Sure, the US military has had troubles against insurgencies and gureilla fighters, but how is that relevant to the topic? All I said is a few F-22s and B-2 Bombers and mission is completed. 

Lol

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17 minutes ago, repenter said:

He is saying his zero military experience and wikipedia facts is right and hajj qasim is wrong. 

He simply doesn't understand that if Person X has Person Y´z baby in his hands with a gun to its head, Person X can have all the air power in the world and will still not be able to do anything. I´ll let the people decide what that means in this context. 

What he learned from the imams is cherry picked. Go tell Imam Ali how he overestimated his "power" when they put Quran on the spears and a knife under his throat to retreat. Faith is more powerful than you think and Imam Ali also compromised and told Malik to return. On paper all the wars of the Prophet and Imam Ali should have been losses, due to numbers and forces, but what prevailed was faith and tactics, not number of swords and spears. And when they did lose like Uhud, it was due to faith. Reading Fiqh books all day and not actually learning from history and Imams is a dangerous thing. A little analytical skill goes a long way. 

Thirdly. What hajj Qasim is saying is that what you see is not what you get. What you see is on wikipedia, whilst in reality, even high level commanders are blindfolded when they are taken to visit certain research and development sites, missile silos and tactical positions of the Quds group is always hidden from most eyes. Most concentrated group of US bases are in the middle east with most of its foreign troops stationed there. And their air defence systems are probably one of the worst in the world atm(refer to patriot). 

The American people also can not live without luxury of purchase. As soon as all oil is closed down and all export from China is disrupted through yemen port, the whole EU and US prices will escalate beyond recognition. Dont forget Vietnam. There are so many factors involved here, which is what Hajj Qasim is trying to say, and the military experts in the US already know, that is what Bush Senior barked, Clinton Barked, Obama barked and now Trump is barking, but they never do anything, instead their marines are caught in Iranian waters and soil themselves on live TV. 

Only way the US can "invade" Iran is with skinny jeans and satellite dishes with western shows and mess up the next 2-3 generations. And unfortunately they have been fairly successful with that in many areas. 

Facts are facts. It's funny how you mock the Patriot system when it is actually combat proven, and constantly reviewed and improved. Lol, what's your air defense? Bavaar? 1950s tech? 

You know if numbers weren't important, why is offensive war not wajib unless the numbers are sufficient? Lol, this isn't Dragon Ball Z, which your commanders make you think it is. And btw your commanders know the truth anyway, that's why everytime pro-Iranian forces came near the US base in Al-Tanf they were defeated, and that's why Israel bombs Iranian forces every month and there's no response from Iran. 

Cause Iranian commanders themselves know they are outmatched.

As for your examples, we call this

خلط الاخضر واليابس

 

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17 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Cause Iranian commanders themselves know they are outmatched.

 As for your examples, we call t

Saddam Iraqi Army was apparently a paper tiger same as Reza Shah Pahlavi ,if you read Quaran the story of Talut & Jalut that prophet Davoo (as) killed Jalut with one ston e while their army & manpower wasn’t match to each other also in all prophets (pbu) wars except few wars after taking of Mecca was an offensive jihad with lesser power & army ,if we just think worldly your statements are true but Iran has support for f Allah & Protection from Imam Mahdi (aj) that no power comparable with this power ,doing Iran-Iraq war Iran artillary just was enough for few month but Iran could continue war for 8 years now reduce your ego :grin:

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5 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Saddam Iraqi Army was apparently a paper tiger same as Reza Shah Pahlavi ,if you read Quaran the story of Talut & Jalut that prophet Davoo (as) killed Jalut with one ston e while their army & manpower wasn’t match to each other also in all prophets (pbu) wars except few wars after taking of Mecca was an offensive jihad with lesser power & army ,if we just think worldly your statements are true but Iran has support for f Allah & Protection from Imam Mahdi (aj) that no power comparable with this power ,doing Iran-Iraq war Iran artillary just was enough for few month but Iran could continue war for 8 years now reduce your ego :grin:

Lol, thats why you fought for 8 years. US fought for a few months and won. Because America actually has an airforce not junk metal. 

You have no idea what you're talking about, faith is the most important thing but you don't commit suicide. All the ulama including Khomeini say if numbers aren't available offensive war isn't wajib. You can talk to them if you like.

This isn't Dragon Ball Z :clap:

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2 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

US fought for a few months and won. Because America actually has an airforce not junk metal. 

From worldly view it is true ,but Iraq Army failed before entering of America to Iraq but just Iraq military Spokesman was closing his eyes until they entered to Baghdad.

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4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

From worldly view it is true ,but Iraq Army failed before entering of America to Iraq but just Iraq military Spokesman was closing his eyes until they entered to Baghdad.

Gulf War habibi I'm talking about Kuwait. That was the same Army you fought.

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Just now, Sumerian said:

Gulf War habibi I'm talking about Kuwait. That was the same Army you fought.

Where was Kuwait Army at that time probably in vacation :hahaha: that Iraq Army gone & filled their empty place & after that former Iraq allies bombard whole of Iraq .

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17 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Where was Kuwait Army at that time probably in vacation :hahaha: that Iraq Army gone & filled their empty place & after that former Iraq allies bombard whole of Iraq .

Yes. I am talking about US destroying the Iraqi Army in a few months in the Gulf war, that proves how strong the US is. That was the same army you fought for 8 years, US defeated it without breaking a sweat.

The US is too strong, that's the truth.

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15 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

The US is too strong, that's the truth.

Watch above video also defeating of Iraq was because Shias wasn’t backed Saddam (la) also sunni tribes were not in favor of him because of heavy sanctions on Iraq but always if people want can tolerate bombardment when they are as one hand ,America & Israel try to separate Iranians from each other by any means but Alhamdulliah their attempts in recent months causes bringing more unity between Iranians even some Anti regime groups are ignoring their hatred from Iran regime to don’t allow America & Israel separates in many parts & fractions currently only anti regime groups that are in side of America & Israel are MEK & Bahai groups & some old people that want returning of the Shah regime .

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3 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

about US army strength

Their real strength is not in their weapon , it’s in creating chaos in opposite side before entering to war ,just like as Ibn Zayd (la) caused fear of Syrian Army in hearts of Kuffans by his strong & effective propaganda 

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22 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Yes. I am talking about US destroying the Iraqi Army in a few months in thr Gulf war, that proves how strong the US is. That was the same army you fought for 8 years, US defeated it without breaking a sweat 

Americans very well know about Iran and its capabilities. 

It is the 8 years war fought by Iranians, which is holding the US as well as Israel to launch attacks on Iran. Otherwise, they would have destroyed Iranian nuclear sites by now.

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Just now, Salsabeel said:

Americans very well know about Iran and its capabilities. 

It is the 8 years war fought by Iranians, which is holding the US as well as Israel to launch attacks on Iran. Otherwise, they would have destroyed Iranian nuclear sites by now.

Israel and America are bombing them daily in Syria. What country doesn't respond to a country that bombs their own soldiers? A country thst knows they have no chance.

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