Detention of undocumented migrant children

[Reza]

13 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Determine their country of origin, fly them home and then let their home country figure out what to do. They do have uncles, aunts, grandparents and all.

Oh god...

[notme]

Lesson for the world: the United States is not the place to seek asylum. Even though the law allows it, for all practical purposes it is illegal. The United States is dying right now. 

[Abu Hadi]

If anyone wants to understand why Trump does things like this, it is very simple. Here is his thinking, in a complete sense

1. Do Something (x) that will be popular with my base of supporters 

2. They will vote for me or Republicans that are aligned with me. 

3. Then I stay in power

4. If I stay in power, I get to keep making backroom deals that will make me fabulously wealthy. 

In this case x is breaking up migrant families and making applying for asylum impossible. This is the extent of Trump's thinking. He doesn't care about you, me, muslims, non muslims(who are not his supporters), immigrants, Europe, China, North Korea, Iran, the environment, etc. He doesn't even care about his supporters, except when he can use them as a tool to stay in power. He cares about himself only and staying in power. That's all. 

His base of support is about 20 to 25% of the US Population. These are Christian Zionists, Jewish Zionists, Racists plus those pissed off factory workers that were left behind by the global economy. All these combined are approx 20 to 25% of the US population. The reason he got elected is because the other 75 to 80% of the US population (the vast majority) are so divided they can't agree on anything. So Trump has the biggest single block of supporters at the moment. Now even those 4 groups that make up the Trump supporters have divisions between themselves, which will be exploited in the upcoming November elections so probably Republicans will lose either the House, Senate, or both then they will turn on Trump like a pack of rabid dogs and Trump himself probably knows this so he is trying to grab as much as he can before November. This is the most likely outcome, although not a certainty at this point. 

 

Edited July 5, 2018 by Abu Hadi

[Ashvazdanghe]

5 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

4. If I stay in power, I get to keep making backroom deals that will make me fabulously wealthy. 

I think this is the most important matter ,he can stay in power by spending money but he is calculating that this is beneficial for him or not .

[Reza]

19 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Determine their country of origin, fly them home and then let their home country figure out what to do. They do have uncles, aunts, grandparents and all.

Anybody who advocates this should be prepared to face the child themselves and explain them all this. If they feel uncomfortable doing that (or wants to cower behind technicalities), maybe they shouldn’t propose it. Just saying.

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, Reza said:

Anybody who advocates this should be prepared to face the child themselves and explain them all this. If they feel uncomfortable doing that (or wants to cower behind technicalities), maybe they shouldn’t propose it. Just saying.

"uncomfortable" ? l'II be happy to do so. Need a translator though.

Children at age 5 understand parents can do wrongs. Children under 5 just go along.

[Haji 2003]

On 6/25/2018 at 3:58 PM, Wahdat said:

The mass always criticizes those that are in power and the Jews hold the power n today's world....instead the mass should also learn to look at the alternative...so that we wont get KKK in US or ISIS in ME.

The irony is that Israel also has a party in power that used to be right-wing and is increasingly becoming more extremist. People who support Israel but who are critical of the Trump regime may find it awkward to demonstrate consistency.

[forte]

On 7/4/2018 at 1:41 PM, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

This cant be real.

 

[notme]

12 hours ago, forte said:

This cant be real.

 

As I understand it, this is a reenactment based on real court transcripts.

[hasanhh]

11 hours ago, notme said:

As I understand it, this is a reenactment based on real court transcripts.

OK, but either way, how is this any different than the court proceedings for foundlings?

[notme]

28 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

OK, but either way, how is this any different than the court proceedings for foundlings?

The scene is shown with the child having no adult assistance. At least in my state, where children have to go to court (family services, for example), they are appointed both a lawyer and a CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate). 

[hasanhh]

7 hours ago, notme said:

The scene is shown with the child having no adult assistance. At least in my state, where children have to go to court (family services, for example), they are appointed both a lawyer and a CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate). 

BUT, the photograph is a narrow field shot. You are precluding people to either side, or that the photo was cropped.

[notme]

7 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

BUT, the photograph is a narrow field shot. You are precluding people to either side, or that the photo was cropped.

The photo is of a reenactment based on transcripts, as I understand it. It really doesn't give us any information except that children (maybe not as young or as cute as the ones in the videos and photos) had to speak for themselves. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

This is worser than McCarthysm

[hasanhh]

10 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

This is worser than McCarthysm

McCarthyism was accusatorial. Not due process.

Where are the false accusations in this thread ?

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Where are the false accusations in this thread

It was a process of separation of we & others for purification of American society from non Anglo Saxon under cover of fighting with communism as a silent genocide , American society made from immigrants & its fresh blood is migrants also current doctrine of Mr Trump follows this silent genocide to close vital vein of fresh blood for American society 

[Reza]

On 7/5/2018 at 1:47 PM, hasanhh said:

"uncomfortable" ? l'II be happy to do so. Need a translator though.

Alright, tough guy. Glad you’re volunteering.

[hasanhh]

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It was a process of separation of we & others for purification of American society from non (the)Anglo-Saxon under cover of fighting with communism as a silent genocide , American society made from immigrants & its fresh blood is migrants also current doctrine of Mr Trump follows this silent genocide to close vital vein of fresh blood for American society 

Where did you get this wacky idea? 

"What happened to the American thinking process?"

"The liberals have all but destroyed it."

Did the lrish think of themselves as Anglo-Saxons? Or the Scots?

In 1970, over 40% of Americans had German heritage. Do they think of themselves as "Anglo-Saxons" ?

What about Poles and ltaIians?

How about the French colonists of the 1500s?

Then there are Afrikans, Chinese (numbers?), Vietnamese, lndians (SAsia), Native-Amerikans, Russians, ... ... ...

One thing that needs "purifying" is the Asylum Law ---what the illegal entries are gaming. Repeal it.  Which will not affect the protected status of Yeminis that the Sec DHS Nielson just extended --which is legal and non-gaming.

[Ashvazdanghe]

7 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Where did you get this wacky idea? 

Search about story of gangs in America they all had their provinces with racial laws but Anglo Saxons know themselves as elites & others are lower than them so everytime they tried to get rid of others the British royal family have common bloodline with Germans ,Russians & Italian elites & rulers that defined as anglo-Saxon & they always want to lower class races such as Latinos & black people .

[hasanhh]

44 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Search about story of gangs in America they all had their provinces with racial laws but Anglo Saxons know themselves as elites & others are lower than them so everytime they tried to get rid of others the British royal family have common bloodline with Germans ,Russians & Italian elites & rulers that defined as anglo-Saxon & they always want to lower class races such as Latinos & black people .

One counter example: back in the mid-70s, Time magazine ran an article on the changing face of Congress by the change in the ethnicity of names. lt showed the near dominance of Eastern European names. Like those ending in "-ski".

So what is "elite" and what is "lower" by name or by ethnicity?

A quick search: percentage + Americans + Anglo-Saxon says "<9% identify" as Anglo-Saxon.

Edited July 9, 2018 by hasanhh

[hasanhh]

3 hours ago, Reza said:

Alright, tough guy. Glad you’re volunteering.

"tough" ain't got anything to do with it.

What is right or wrong has nothing to do with "toughness".

What is legal and who are illegal has nothing to do with "toughness'

What is in the national interest has nothing to do with "toughness".

Besides, 15.1% of legal Americans already live in poverty and get public assistance. Do you want to import 15+ millions more?

Edited July 9, 2018 by hasanhh

[Ashvazdanghe]

19 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

quick search: percentage + Americans + Anglo-Saxon says "<9% identify" as Anglo-Saxo

It’s a pyramid society that 9 % rules on others that in spreads in levels the bottom is labor workers from migrants that they want replace it with above level that are mid class Americans  from 15.1% 

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It’s a pyramid society that 9 % rules on others that in spreads in levels the bottom is labor workers from migrants that they want replace it with above level that are mid class Americans  from 15.1% 

When l was in college, it was 10% of the population was socio-politically active.

The "bottom" ain't the itinerate migrants, but the homeless, medically disabled and so on.

As far as your 9% pop-up number goes, So What?  You want a drug addict as a doctor?

[Wahdat]

On 7/6/2018 at 7:18 AM, Haji 2003 said:

The irony is that Israel also has a party in power that used to be right-wing and is increasingly becoming more extremist. People who support Israel but who are critical of the Trump regime may find it awkward to demonstrate consistency.

My post, by no means, was intended to demonstrate any sort of support for Israel. Instead I was talking about the Jewish demographic in the US who are a minority themselves...and they will always champion the rights of minorities as means of self preservation. Cuz the alternative is Confederacy. And they are most able in this area compared to any other minority group. Their downfall however is their support for Israel and the endless imperial wars....costing them (almost) the Presidency since Kennedy.