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Sayed Khamene'i: Polygamy Is not Recommended

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That's interesting, personally I'm not a fan of the idea of polygamy. Interesting to note is that the prophet (sawa) was monogamous for quite a while, throughout his entire marriage to Khadijah (as). I kinda think of it like the prophet's true love, its heartwarming to read about. In addition to this the year she and Abu Talib (as) died was termed the year of sorrow (عام الحزن‎). Here's an interesting narration from bukhari from Aisha, some riwayat of it mention the prophet (sawa) talking about the love in his heart for Khadijah (as). 

Narrated `Aisha:

I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) as much as I did of Khadija though I did not see her, but the Prophet (ﷺ) used to mention her very often, and when ever he slaughtered a sheep, he would cut its parts and send them to the women friends of Khadija. When I sometimes said to him, "(You treat Khadija in such a way) as if there is no woman on earth except Khadija," he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and from her I had children."

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10 hours ago, Shi3i_jadeed said:

That's interesting, personally I'm not a fan of the idea of polygamy. Interesting to note is that the prophet (sawa) was monogamous for quite a while, throughout his entire marriage to Khadijah (as). I kinda think of it like the prophet's true love, its heartwarming to read about. In addition to this the year she and Abu Talib (as) died was termed the year of sorrow (عام الحزن‎). Here's an interesting narration from bukhari from Aisha, some riwayat of it mention the prophet (sawa) talking about the love in his heart for Khadijah (as). 

Narrated `Aisha:

I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) as much as I did of Khadija though I did not see her, but the Prophet (ﷺ) used to mention her very often, and when ever he slaughtered a sheep, he would cut its parts and send them to the women friends of Khadija. When I sometimes said to him, "(You treat Khadija in such a way) as if there is no woman on earth except Khadija," he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and from her I had children."

I'm also not really a fan of polygamy, but I'm from the West so I approach it with that mindset.

As for this article, I'm not so sure that it really represents the general consensus of scholars, it seems more that this is a minority opinion given the lack of references provided. But I haven't looked into it, so I could be wrong.

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3 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

According to Ayatollah Khamenei, polygamy is permissible (Jaʼiz), but it is not recommended (Mostahab)

And what he says about muta'a? Permissible but not Mostahab or something else?

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4 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

And what he says about muta'a? Permissible but not Mostahab or something else?

As I recall, he considers it mustahabb.

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5 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

hmm, Why he consider muta'a something different than polygamy? 

It could also be that this article doesn't really represent his opinion, rather the opinion the author.

Or he has changed his opinion in recent years.

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2 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Permanent marriage has some significant differences to temporary marriages, its not just about sex.

I am questioning this in light of the rules mentioned in the OP. One also need to act justly with the woman he is in temporary marriage.

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7 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

I am questioning this in light of the rules mentioned in the OP. One also need to act justly with the woman he is temporary marriage.

You are obligated to treat wives from temporary marriages the same as wives from permanent marriage? As far as I know that is not the case. 

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Just now, IbnSina said:

You are obligated to treat wives from temporary marriages the same as wives from permanent marriage? As far as I know that is not the case. 

We are obligated to act responsibly & justly with any of our wife. Whether permanent or temporary.
The offspring from temporary wife share different ration in inheritance than the offspring of permanent wife? 
Similarly, we need to be just in each & every aspect of our life. How is that morality where one loves his permanent wife & not love his temporary wife? He respects the permanent one but insults the other one. Give food & clothing to one but deprive the other from all these facilities?

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1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

Permanent marriage has some significant differences to temporary marriages, its not just about sex.

Who told you that Mutah is just about fulfilling ones sexual desires?

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2 hours ago, Waseem162 said:

Who told you that Mutah is just about fulfilling ones sexual desires?

Nobody told me that and neither did I say it. But mutah CAN be performed for the sole reason of satisfying your sexual needs, which is not the case when speaking of permanent marriage as it entails numerous responsibilities.

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1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

But mutah CAN be performed for the sole reason of satisfying your sexual needs,

This doesn't spare you from the responsibilities. What do you say when a man do mutaa with a widow who has two kids, how should be the behavior of man with those kids? Does not the man responsible for the protection & well being of those kids ( on moral grounds)? 

And now assume a widow with no kids. How would she introduce her temporary husband before her family? Can the man do mutaa or nikah with her sister at the same time? 

There are responsibilities every where, in any relation and there is the need of justice every where, in any relation.

1 hour ago, IbnSina said:

which is not the case when speaking of permanent marriage as it entails numerous responsibilities.

In fact you have to have sex with your wife within certain time frame (3-4 months), it is not the case in mutaa.

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1 minute ago, Salsabeel said:

This doesn't spare you from the responsibilities. What do you say when a man do mutaa with a widow who has two kids, how should be the behavior of man with those kids? Does not the man responsible for the protection & well being of those kids ( on moral grounds)? 

And now assume a widow with no kids. How would she introduce her temporary husband before her family? Can the man do mutaa or nikah with her sister at the same time? 

There are responsibilities every where, in any relation and there is the need of justice every where, in any relation.

In fact you have to have sex with your wife within certain time frame (3-4 months), it is not the case in mutaa.

It would be interesting to read some study on this subject, to actually know what the differences are, do you have access to any such study? Maybe on al islam?

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2 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

It would be interesting to read some study on this subject, to actually know what the differences are, do you have access to any such study? Maybe on al islam?

I know the differences & limitations, but on moral grounds, the only difference is the time limit.

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On 5/10/2018 at 11:45 AM, Salsabeel said:

In fact you have to have sex with your wife within certain time frame (3-4 months), it is not the case in mutaa.

2431. The obligatory precaution is that a husband should not avoid having sexual intercourse for more than four months with a wife of temporary marriage.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2350/

On 5/10/2018 at 6:31 AM, Salsabeel said:

The offspring from temporary wife share different ration in inheritance than the offspring of permanent wife? 

As far as I know there is no difference.

Interesting OP. So based upon this the Masoomeen (as) did something which is not recommended in Islam?  :dry:

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7 minutes ago, starlight said:

Interesting OP. So based upon this the Masoomeen (as) did something which is not recommended in Islam?  :dry:

:) I thought the same when saw the OP. 

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Sayyid Moustafa Al-Qazwini also said polygamy is not recommended. He used the word mubah (permissible).

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Fatma: Could a woman contract that her husband may not marry a second wife?

Sayyid: She is within her right to implement such a rule, provided the husband agrees.

Fatma: But you mentioned that the stipulation must not conflict with religious doctrine; yet, Islam allows the man to marry up to four women.

Sayyid: The key word is allowed, meaning it is permitted. It is important to note that marrying a second wife is not obligatory (wajib), it is permissible (mubah). 

See Chapter 2: Matrimonial Rights, Adolescence, Mahr  Get PDF

https://www.al-islam.org/a-new-perspective-women-islam-fatma-saleh-moustafa-al-qazwini/chapter-2-matrimonial-rights

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:salam:

Seriously, if you follow the qur'anic verse, you have very few chances to end up marrying several wives.

I thought no ahadith could go against the Qur'an but this issue proved that the Law has been somehow altered by the people to meet their convenience.

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21 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

It is important to note that marrying a second wife is not obligatory (wajib), it is permissible (mubah)

Yes, this is the case. 

But when anyone says marrying a second wife is permissible (mubah) but not recommended (mustahabb), that is a bit confusing. 

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This is a long, complex discussion that I don't think most people on this site have the background knowledge to follow. The basic reason gist of it is that marriage is mustahab in itself, whether it is mutah or polygamy. But whether a specific marriage is mustahab could depend on the context. For example,  a man with little financial means decides to take on a second, permanent marriage. So because now he is supporting two wives instead of one, although he can provide the nafakhat for both, he is not able to be generous with both or provide for them in the same manner that was customary for them given their upbringing. So now fulfilling one mustahabat will keep him from fulfilling other mustahabat which may be more important(that is where the complex part comes in. Mustahabat are ranked and are not all on the same level). So in that context, the marriage may not be mustahab although it is still mubah. Another example is of an older man who has a young wife and then marries another young wife. Although he has the money to support them and be generous with them, he may not be able to fulfill the needs of both wives, physically(sexually) or emotionally, because of his older age and their younger age. So their needs not being fulfilled may push them toward haram. In this case, the marriage may not be mustahab, it may not even be mubah. 

There is the marriage itself, which is mustahab(a big +), then there are the other circumstances that will (most likely) be created by the marriage, which is the context. This is an equation, with + and -. The overall result of that equation could be positive or negative. If you could quantify each factor, you could say that you start out at 100(because marriage in itself is mustahab). Then you start subtracting for other factors(like the ones I mentioned above). The closer the total gets to zero, the less mustahab the marriage becomes, and if the total falls below zero, then the marriage is probably makhrooh(marriage can be makhrooh in some cases as per hadith of Imams(a.s)). How to quantify each piece of the context is the thing that takes skill and knowledge. 

There are millions of different scenarios. The point is, whether the marriage is mustahab or not depends alot on the context and the individuals involved. A marja' can give general principles, but a marjaa' cannot have a fatwa for every specific context, so we are expected to use our own knowledge and common sense and have empathy for all other parties to the relationship. 

 

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9 minutes ago, enigma313 said:

I wish wealthier men would practice polygamy. It would help so many women ...divorced, never married, widowed , with or without children. 

Refer to this - Men had to face many problems than one could imagine in this low minded world. 

 

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Imam Khamenei's view on polygamy

According to Imam Khamenei, and based on reliable religious arguments, polygamy for men is “mubah” (neutral in terms of recommendation), but it is not “mustahab” (a recommended action). However, according to the reasoning of the Qur'an, it is conditional based on the assurance one can maintain justice between spouses. Therefore, whenever it is rationally probable that the wives will be treated unequally, another marriage for the husband is not permissible.

His Eminence’s outlook about multiple marriages (in Iranian society) is not optimistic or positive. This is why the following sentence has been repeated in his statements, "God is one, love is one, and the beloved is one."

https://english.khamenei.ir/news/7157/Imam-Khamenei-s-view-on-polygamy

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