Why is there a God?

[SoRoUsH]

سلام

We are encouraged to ponder upon "Why there's something instead of nothing." Thinking about this question will eventually lead us to an intelligent creator.

However, we rarely ask, "Why is there a God instead of no God?"

This question is different from "Is there a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is one God instead of many?"

If we accept there is only one God and we know this, then we can ask "Why?"

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary? (Not asking, "Is the existence of God necessary?")

Thanks!

[Laayla]

Does God Not Exist?

[SoRoUsH]

In case I wasn't clear, I'm not asking whether God exists, but why does God exist.

[.InshAllah.]

5 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary?

If something is a necessary truth then it is self explanatory. 

[SoRoUsH]

2 hours ago, .InshAllah. said:

If something is a necessary truth then it is self explanatory. 

Can you elaborate?

[eThErEaL]

5 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

سلام

We are encouraged to ponder upon "Why there's something instead of nothing." Thinking about this question will eventually lead us to an intelligent creator.

However, we rarely ask, "Why is there a God instead of no God?"

This question is different from "Is there a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is one God instead of many?"

If we accept there is only one God and we know this, then we can ask "Why?"

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary? (Not asking, "Is the existence of God necessary?")

Thanks!

Why is there a reality?

 

[eThErEaL]

On 5/8/2018 at 4:50 PM, SoRoUsH said:

Can you elaborate?

For example, it is self-explanatory that triangles are three-sided.  certain truths (i.e. necessary truths) are self-explanatory.  It is necessarily true that triangles are three-sided.  

For example:
It is not self-explanatory (because it is not a necessary truth) if a triangle were big and red.  It is therefore sensible to ask why is this triangle red and big.  This is because it could have been small and orange instead!.  You can also ask, why does this triangle exist?  This is because the triangle did not have to exist.  But it doesn't make sense to ask, why is the triangle three-sided.  If a triangle were one-sided or four-sided then a triangle wouldn't be a triangle!  We call such necessary truths analytic truths because their predicate is contained in the meaning of the subject such that to deny the predicate is to deny the very meaning of the subject itself.  

For example, a bachelor is an unmarried man.

This truth is analytically necessary and therefore self-explanatory.

[Syed_Imran]

Why is there a god?

without a god would be nothing and to ask why is there a god would be to ask why is there anything and to ask why is anything would be to ask why is there you, why is there me, why is there world or universe or multiverse god is something that is everything but still he is one and the only the creator and the destroyer without him there would be nothing and that is why as my fellow brother mentioned above GOD is self explanatory and to give you exact answer of why is there a god well i don't have such a vast brain why not ask the almighty you will feel the answer in your heart when you will observe his creations and his wonder just look the world around you and then close your eyes and think about everthing you know and then you will know his existence he is the reason of everything and he was before every before and he will be after every after just feel him in your heart.

[SoRoUsH]

We know triangles exists. We know they are three-sided. But what I'm asking is why do triangles exist?

We know God exists. We know God's attributes. But why does God exist?

I guess once we determine that God does exist, then as part of God's definition, He must exist.

It is part of God's definition that, if God didn't exist, nothing else would exist. God being the creator of all things is equivalent to the three-sidedness of triangle.

So, the fact that things exist implies that God must necessarily exist.

 

Based on this view, those who question or doubt or deny God's existence deny that He is الخالق.

Makes sense?

[Reza]

The question of "why" is only valid for creation, not God itself. 

God's existence, by definition, has no "why". 

[S.M.H.A.]

On 5/8/2018 at 11:26 AM, SoRoUsH said:

سلام

We are encouraged to ponder upon "Why there's something instead of nothing." Thinking about this question will eventually lead us to an intelligent creator.

However, we rarely ask, "Why is there a God instead of no God?"

This question is different from "Is there a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is one God instead of many?"

If we accept there is only one God and we know this, then we can ask "Why?"

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary? (Not asking, "Is the existence of God necessary?")

Thanks!

If you recognize that the Creator is Intelligent. Why would you question the existence of the Higher Intelligence ? or the necessity of Existence as it should be obvious from your own admission that there is a Higher Intelligence so - 

Nothing wrong is asking a question, just trying to make sense of the basic concepts and logic here.

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

On 5/8/2018 at 8:20 PM, SoRoUsH said:

We know God exists. We know God's attributes. But why does God exist?

Existence means "Al-Haye Al-Qaiyyum".

[Zaxxro]

On 5/8/2018 at 8:44 PM, Reza said:

The question of "why" is only valid for creation, not God itself. 

God's existence, by definition, has no "why". 

 

I'd like to echo and add on to this.﷽

"Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,

Allah, the Eternal Refuge.

He neither begets nor is born,

Nor is there to Him any equivalent." [Surah 112: Al-Ikhlas]

We can't specifically say that God exists for a reason, for this knowledge isn't with us nor can we rationally predict that God would exist for a purpose. This would limit him to the level of creation would it not? We can, however, determine why God wouldn't have a specific purpose. Here we talk about a diety that is eternal (not coming into existence, nor leaving existence). When on the topic of the eternal, shouldn't an eternal being have an eternal purpose? Not only that but if an eternal being had a purpose, who or what gave it that purpose? We can say that God has a purpose in our existence but to say that God himself has a purpose for existence would be irrational.

Furthermore, we were created with the purpose that we should worship none other than God. With this, we were CREATED with a purpose. Focus on the word "created". If we were created with a purpose, how can one who is uncreated and eternal have a specific purpose for existing is my question?

Warning: This is my opinion and I MAY BE WRONG! If you notice there is a mistake please correct me. Not only that but my wording may be a little off since I'm don't respond to questions like these often so again please correct me if you notice anything off.

[megaman]

It's a tough question. I've never thought about it. 

I think we can all agree that God is the Unknowable Essence, eternal in the past and future. 

The reason of existence of something that is beyond my understanding is not something I can answer or will ever be able to.

I think to ask why God exists, implies that God was created and ordered or given a purpose, which by definition is wrong.

We are created and given a purpose, not God.

[iraqi_shia]

On 5/8/2018 at 5:47 PM, SoRoUsH said:

In case I wasn't clear, I'm not asking whether God exists, but why does God exist.

Why is a triangle 3 sided? Or why does 1+1=2 ?

Your asking questions about fundamental logic which is indivisible. 

[S.M.H.A.]

This is a serio topic and requires a serious and intelligent response. In the Scientific/technological world - in Today's  language.

This Thing got Al - and wants to wonder, Why does NASA exist? 

[layman]

Salam..

The question "Why there is God?" is important to us. 

So that humans will have logics when dealing with each other and continue to live with a purpose.

If we stop questioning or reasoning...then we are not humans.

Layman

[Ibn Al-Ja'abi]

On 5/8/2018 at 4:50 PM, SoRoUsH said:

Can you elaborate?

salams,

Give this paper a read, "The Ultimate Why Question: Avicenna on Why God Is Absolutely Necessary" by Jon McGinnis (from The Ultimate Why Question: why is there anything at all rather than nothing whatsoever? edited by John Wippel). Why there is something rather than nothing and why is there a God are interrelated since the answer is the necessity of God's existence is the reason why he has to exist and why anything can contingently exist at all. This paper lays out Ibn Sina's version of the burhan al-siddiqin, an ontological argument for the existence of God.

[SoRoUsH]

56 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

salams,

Give this paper a read, "The Ultimate Why Question: Avicenna on Why God Is Absolutely Necessary" by Jon McGinnis (from The Ultimate Why Question: why is there anything at all rather than nothing whatsoever? edited by John Wippel). Why there is something rather than nothing and why is there a God are interrelated since the answer is the necessity of God's existence is the reason why he has to exist and why anything can contingently exist at all. This paper lays out Ibn Sina's version of the burhan al-siddiqin, an ontological argument for the existence of God.

Salam, 

I'm aware of Avicenna's argument. However, Averroes properly refutes it. 

Many people know Avicenna's argument, but don't know or haven't heard of Averroes's refutation of it. 

 

[S.M.H.A.]

One of the drawbacks of secular education/Intellectual world, is that they suffer from perpetual agnosticism.

After you have exhausted all the "intellectual" arguments, which lead to Agnosticism, you will come to one conclusion.

Say, Ya Ali(as)  یا علی

And don't read this only Literally, many layers of wisdom is hidden here .....

“O ‘He’ of whom no one knows What ‘He’(God) is, not How ‘He’ is, nor Where ‘He is, nor in Which direction, ‘He’ is except ‘He’ Himself”

Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib(as)

Edited July 16, 2018 by S.M.H.A.

[Carlzone]

I have no knowledge in philosophical questions but my first thoughts were these,

Why does Allah SWT have to have a reason to exist? Aren't you limiting God when asking such a question? 

We humans need to have a reason to exist but Allah SWT does not. You cannot use the same rules that are applied to the creation on the Creator himself. To me this seems like comparing the Creator to his creation. We have limits. God does not. You can't force any rules upon God. 

[Kirmani]

 

On 5/8/2018 at 11:26 AM, SoRoUsH said:

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary? (Not asking, "Is the existence of God necessary?")

Salaam, in simplest terms, something cannot come out of nothing because if it did it is contrary to the laws of science. Therefore there has to be a God and a God must be necessary in order for creation to exist. 

Now then some people will say "oh but then who created God?" and that goes into a long philosophical debate, but bottom line is what is more believable (and for that matter more supported by science)? That the entire Universe was made and created out of nothing (i.e something came from nothing which is completely against the laws of Thermodynamics) or that everything was created in perfect order by a Creator that is not bound by the parameters of space and time in this universe? 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Kirmani

[S.M.H.A.]

"You" exist, 

Consciousness determines Existence. 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by S.M.H.A.

[eThErEaL]

1 hour ago, S.M.H.A. said:

"You" exist, 

Consciousness determines Existence. 

 

Right on!

[Badi19]

On 7/15/2018 at 2:12 AM, megaman said:

It's a tough question. I've never thought about it. 

I think we can all agree that God is the Unknowable Essence, eternal in the past and future. 

The reason of existence of something that is beyond my understanding is not something I can answer or will ever be able to.

I think to ask why God exists, implies that God was created and ordered or given a purpose, which by definition is wrong.

We are created and given a purpose, not God.

There are many instances that Baha'u'llah explicitly claims he is God

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2018/07/there-are-many-instances-that-bahaullah.html

Are you resorting to Taqiyyih to promote your cult here!?

[megaman]

2 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Are you resorting to Taqiyyih to promote your cult here!?

Posting anti Baha'i websites on random threads isn't helping your cause. If you would like discuss certain topics, you can make your own thread.

[Badi19]

4 hours ago, megaman said:

Posting anti Baha'i websites on random threads isn't helping your cause. If you would like discuss certain topics, you can make your own thread.

Oh. I See. Which anti Baha'i website?

[wmehar2]

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 11:26 AM, SoRoUsH said:

سلام

We are encouraged to ponder upon "Why there's something instead of nothing." Thinking about this question will eventually lead us to an intelligent creator.

However, we rarely ask, "Why is there a God instead of no God?"

This question is different from "Is there a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is a God?" It's also different from "How do we know there is one God instead of many?"

If we accept there is only one God and we know this, then we can ask "Why?"

Why is there a God?

Why is the existence of a God necessary? (Not asking, "Is the existence of God necessary?")

Thanks!

*shrug*.

How can a  machine function without a creator?  A creator is the only explanation.

We are sophisticated machines in my view, coded with DNA instead of bits and binary that determine our specs.  We acknowledge systems while ourselves having systems within us.  I cannot fathom the necessity to even question a creator's existence, I feel it and see it.  I can argue without God there will be nothing, truly nothing... but...

This may answer more the latter of your bit "is the existence of God necessary"

I think it strange to impose the human perceived idea of beginnings and ends and ascribe it to a creator/god since the realm in which a creator abides exceeds/transcends everything beyond our understanding. 

God just is.

Asking, Why is the existence of a God necessary is as redundant as asking why does fire cause heat, why do atoms in certain combinations yield this effect or that effect?

The "why" operator is invalid and is without meaning in this context I would say.  Because before our existence was what?  The propensity of the word "why" to be valid increases towards when humanity exists and decreases and moves towards invalid the further away from our existence time is..

[wmehar2]

2 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Oh. I See. Which anti Baha'i website?

Dude chill.  He's speaking what he speaks.

[wmehar2]

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 8:44 PM, Reza said:

The question of "why" is only valid for creation, not God itself. 

God's existence, by definition, has no "why". 

we think alike XD

[Badi19]

12 hours ago, wmehar2 said:

Dude chill.  He's speaking what he speaks.

I am cool. These cultists have taken years of my life. Very deceptive people.

[S.M.H.A.]

So, be careful and Question. Just don't fall for anything that sounds superficially logical intellectual or academic or Politically/Socially correct. Or the threat of you are restricting their freedom/right  to question. 

We are  the center of everything, and apparently “god” needs to confine to our ways of thinking.

Classic way to divert attention . Why, Where, How, When, Why not, Should He, Shouldn’t He, etc……

Like we are ‘gods’ and questioning our creation, in most cases they only understand a created god, in and under their Domain. Bound by Time and space and movement etc...So the questions revolve around these concepts..

How much time the Mute Qur’an(The Book) or the Talking Qur’an spend on these topic?

Compared to what is our responsibility?

So, we are going against the Directives given to us and we can intellectually/logically grasp the Fact that we need to Focus on us, turn the attention and questioning towards our role and obligations, why we are here, where did we come from where are we going, while we are here what we need to do…..Hard question, lets distract our minds and question “ The God” - which is logically and intellectually invalid as we are under the domain of “ The God”

“ The God” is out of their Domain, but this basic fundamental, logical fact is overshadowed by clever questions. So who’s fault is it ..”The Consumers”.

No one denies “ The God” they deny a God who legislates. To avoid this they come up with clever and complex(illogical)  questions to distract the mind(s)willing/looking for distraction. It’s the supply and demand issue. As long as there are consumers they will market what’s in demand.

[Fatima NMA]

Salam va dorood..

Answer the following and you'll probably get your answer to the original question. 

Why there are  'parents' for every new born??

Why there are 'teachers' for every knowledge seeker???

Why there are 'doctors' for ill people???

Why there are people who check our exams in schools and decide who passes and who fails???

And more and more .... see? We need God since the day He created us for so many obvious reasons....creation needs the creator!

However,you might go further with your question and start asking questions like why is there new borns,ill people,knowledge seekers..etc. and that means you are questioning the whole existence and God's will!

[SoRoUsH]

4 hours ago, Fatima NMA said:

Salam va dorood..

Answer the following and you'll probably get your answer to the original question. 

Why there are  'parents' for every new born??

Why there are 'teachers' for every knowledge seeker???

Why there are 'doctors' for ill people???

Why there are people who check our exams in schools and decide who passes and who fails???

And more and more .... see? We need God since the day He created us for so many obvious reasons....creation needs the creator!

However,you might go further with your question and start asking questions like why is there new borns,ill people,knowledge seekers..etc. and that means you are questioning the whole existence and God's will!

Your argument is circular. In your argument you already assume we're creations as a premise. If we were created, then of course they'd be a creator.

But anyways, at this point, I'm satisfied with some of the answers given. Thank you!