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7 minutes ago, Yasmin P said:

In principle, if the prophet was alive today, any prophet of God, as an example to follow, of course I would follow him

The Sunni hadiths are suffering from this trauma not Shia Hadiths ,by hadith from Imam Sadiq (as) we can compare hadiths with Quran if it has contradiction with Quran we drop it also Imam Mahdi (aj) is alive which keeps Shia Islam in the rail  

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2 hours ago, Yasmin P said:

How can one stray from way of truth if one is following the Qur'an?

Prophet said follow Quran & Ahlulbayt  (as) to not astray that they are not seperable from each other but who just only follows Quran said in Quran will increase their failure& Damage ,it is only benefits belivesrs the  belivesrs that follow Quran &Ahlulbayt  (as).

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Looks like this is going nowhere.  It's precisely what Sam Gerrans is getting at.  A Muslim can tell you nothing about God without reference to Hadith written by men two hundred years or so after the prophet had passed.  

1. Qur'an makes no mention of Hadith or mahdi.  It claims to be complete, a complete guidance (which means we don't need anything else) The Qur'an is saying this, not men. 

2. Hadith says you must follow Hadith (Ahlul Bayt) plus Qur'an, and if you don't you'll most certainly go astray. In other words what it's saying is we must follow the interpretation of the qur'an given to us by Hadith writers, otherwise we go to hell.  

I know which I would choose. I would choose the words recorded by the prophet over words concocted by men.  

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The name Aisha/Ayesha existed before the wife of the prophet was born. People seem to think that there is a copyright when people with certain names do terrible things. I wonder how many Johns have committed crimes.

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I don't know that ISIS are following Qur'an only. nor do I know that salafis or wahabis follow Qur'an only.  This point is also refuted in the audio if you'd like to have a listen.  It is not my intention to have an argument as such but I would like very much for someone to come up with a credible refutation to all the points made in the audio.  So far, there has been none. 

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On 5/29/2018 at 7:30 PM, Yasmin P said:

. Hadith says you must follow Hadith (Ahlul Bayt) plus Qur'an, and if you don't you'll most certainly go astray. In other words what it's saying is we must follow the interpretation of the qur'an given to us by Hadith writers, otherwise we go to hell.  

ذَٰلِكَ الَّذِي يُبَشِّرُ اللَّـهُ عِبَادَهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ ۗ قُل لَّا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبَىٰ ۗ وَمَن يَقْتَرِفْ حَسَنَةً نَّزِدْ لَهُ فِيهَا حُسْنًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ شَكُورٌ ﴿٢٣ 

That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful. (23)

On 5/29/2018 at 7:30 PM, Yasmin P said:

. Qur'an makes no mention of Hadith or mahdi.  It claims to be complete, a complete guidance (which means we don't need anything else) The Qur'an is saying this, not men

Was Imam Mahdi mentioned by name in the holy Koran (quran ...

The Awaited - Imam Mahdi in the Quran - YouTube

 
On 5/29/2018 at 7:16 PM, Yasmin P said:

It sounds to me as if you haven't really listened to the audio on Hadiths because your contentions are answered there.  I'd be interested to see how you would refute anything that audio says with credible arguments. 

I listen to before ,it's just stereotyps by anew person which claims know everything.  

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The problem is, again, they are referring to Hadith (written 100-200) years after the prophet in order to interpret the Quran. How can we know that the prophet even said what they claim he said, or even the Imams had said what the hadithers claim they had said?  100-200 years is a very long time, that's about 8 or 9 generations with no original witnesses.  Are you saying we are to believe these Hadith writers? Essentially we are following Hadith writers (not the prophet or the Imams), not Quran, if we follow this method, no?

The Qur'an says that it is God who guides.  It also tells us to use our brain as the speaker in the first video has said. Qur'an is guaranteed protection by God, Hadiths have no such guarantee.  All the information sunnis and Shias have for their religions comes from Hadiths, and the Quran serves as an add-on. I say this because without Hadiths they are unable to make sense of the Quran alone.    Which means they essentially rely on Hadith, not Quran, which means they follow men (Hadith writers) and not God.

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46 minutes ago, Yasmin P said:

eferring to Hadith (written 100-200) years after the prophet in order to interpret the Quran

this hadith confirmd by all Shia & Sunnis .

https://www.al-islam.org/shia-sunni-debate-answering-50-most-common-questions-dr-liakat-dewji-baqerali-alidina

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If the Hadiths can be unequivocally proven then, yes, it would make sense to follow.  How does one prove the Imams or the prophet actually said what the Hadiths claim they had said?  You're hitting around the question, but not actually answering it.  Take Nahjul balagha, for example, how can we know Imam Ali had actually written it?  Was it not written/published 150 years after the passing of Imam Ali?  We face the same problem again.  

1.  If you follow Hadiths you are essentially following men.  

2. If you follow Quran you are following what the prophet gave you. 

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9 minutes ago, Yasmin P said:

If you follow Quran you are following what the prophet gave you. 

It is clearly said in Quran that we must obey Ahlulbayt as you see in previous posts by not accepting it you also reject Quran

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On 5/30/2018 at 1:14 PM, Yasmin P said:

1.  If you follow Hadiths you are essentially following men.  

2. If you follow Quran you are following what the prophet gave you. 

Quranists & Rejection of Thiql Akbar (Arabic with Eng Sub) 

القرانیون ورفضهم للثقل الاکبر 

 https://youtu.be/O-KX-C460xg

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On 5/30/2018 at 10:27 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

This doesn't answer the question.  I'm not interested in what sunnis think of Shia and vice versa.  The question fundamentally remains how can you verify any of the Hadiths which are essentially hearsay.  This question remains unanswered. 

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On 5/5/2018 at 9:49 PM, Ayesha begum said:

Aslm

My name is Ayesha .I'm from low background of Muslim religion, where I am not aware of any thing related to Islam . From last year I came to know about what is Shia Nd  Sunni .so,I have decided to follow Shia Nd ahlulbayt . but many people are saying u can't become a Shia because my name is ayesha. Many people are are Shia people will not accept u Nd my religion

Please help me with this doubt.

Allah Hafiz

Salaam aleikum

Whoever told you that is wrong. Nobody's name precludes them from joining the mazhab of ahlul bayt. Although certain names are more superior to others.

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That's quite an assumption on your part.  The Quran, if translated correctly, without reaading Hadiths into it, has an internal consistency which makes sense.  Hadiths contain certain writings that outright contradict the Quran but are also internally inconsistent. How do you reconcile the two?  As Sam says, this drives a wedge in your thinking process, and the only way for you to make them both true is to become capable of "doublethink".  I'll leave it at that, as so far there has been no serious attempt to answer the question.  Instead there's been a defensive stance taken on what I've said.  That was not my intention.  I was merely presenting something for the OP to consider, as people can get so caught up in which set of Hadiths are the correct ones (Sunni vs Shia), and killing in the name of religion (hadiths) rather than following the Qur'an.  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUTV8ojTkdE

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9 minutes ago, Yasmin P said:

he Quran, if translated correctly, without reaading Hadiths into it, has an internal consistency which makes sense.  Hadiths contain certain writings that outright contradict the Quran but are also internally inconsistent. 

we compare hadiths with Quran not Quran with hadith if Hadith was against Quran we reject it if it be strong with true chain .

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On 5/29/2018 at 7:07 PM, Yasmin P said:

How can we know that the prophet instructed his followers to hold on to the qur'an and Ahlul Bayt?

What ids the Qu'ran Instructing you here and who are these people "who are firmly rooted in knowledge" ? 

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هُوَ الَّذِي أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۗ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ {7}

[Shakir 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.


[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.


[Yusufali 3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

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On 5/29/2018 at 7:13 PM, Yasmin P said:

It's written in Hadiths which are hearsay.

Then followed the key sentence denoting the clear designation of 'Ali as the leader of the Muslim ummah.  The Prophet SA held up the hand of 'Ali and said: 

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

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Find me a Muslim (of any creed/sect) who will deny this Statement? if you can't than its not hearsay, and you were mislead,

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On 6/11/2018 at 9:13 AM, S.M.H.A. said:

Then followed the key sentence denoting the clear designation of 'Ali as the leader of the Muslim ummah.  The Prophet SA held up the hand of 'Ali and said: 

For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

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Find me a Muslim (of any creed/sect) who will deny this Statement? if you can't than its not hearsay, and you were mislead,

they knew it but they interrupt Mawla in wrong way with false intention.

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