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Do you prefer the current "Islamic Regime" or shah

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Mohammed Reza shah to me was thousand times better the the current so called "Islamic Regime". If you lot had a decision to pick one which one would it be and why with an actual valid reason.

My reason is simple. Today in Iran 70% of the ministers in the government so call themselves Muslim so that they can scam the people. I do not see anything Islamic about the current regime (oh other than the stupid Obligatory hijab law). There is literally nothing Islamic about them and they couldn't care less about the state that people are in. The people that scammed the life out of my dad that looked the most Muslim and seemed most muslim. One was a head of some big place the other was a sheikh and they both would not miss prayers by one second as soon as Adhan is said ( This is not only my dads experience but many other people are in this situation). Islam in Iran is just visual stuff. Like hijab, Ashura (then teenagers go out with girls right after its done) it only looks Islamic but if you talk about true Islam like Imam Ali's time (As) where the government is willing to stop poverty and help the poor and stop the insane amount of scamming and much more then that would be Islam. This goes to a majority of Iranian but NOT ALL OF THEM. I have been lucky enough to live in both places and believe it or not the UK seems more Islamic then the Current Iran. But if you compare these So called Islamic leaders that god knows how many of million of dollars the get (steal) a day; more than enough to help millions of poor people in Iran, to the Shah properly you would see a difference. The shah loved his people and was understanding.Not the smartest nor the best but he cared about people. These days the reason people are getting into politics is money. Did you see the interview of that guy. Before he got into the Iranian government he hardly afforded a Bicycle. Now he affords Castle and Villas. Same did the Shah but he could help his nation and people could wear what they want and each go towards their life. I can go on for years but this is an Extremely short Paragraph about Irans current Situation. Another last example is the cars. Do I need to go on from there... The cars that are manufactured in Iran are from 40 years ago and are unsafer than god knows what. If the government truly loved its people would it really allow its people to go around in moving graveyards while he is in multi million dollar cars. This is extremely vague but just an overall view simply.

This post is not meant to be anything serious but would be interesting to see people opinions.

And because I know I will be asked, Even though I am a very religious Muslim myself I believe the Hijab law is stupid. A law that would have been much smarter would have been modest dressing. You simply cannot force a country with 80 million people to wear the Hijab. There will be millions out there that are not muslim and should not want to wear the hijab but dress modestly.

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I would like to state first off I'm not Iranian, but I have close relations with the Iranians at my local mosque and online that still live in Iran. So what I'm about to say is heavily based on their sayings. The modern Islamic republic is miles ahead of the Shah's government but, that doesn't mean much. I'm saying the Islamic republic has done better things than the Shah's government including, increasing scientific and acedamic literacy. But thats about it. The economic situation is a disgrace to how the Shah would've run it, its so bad youth leave by the thousands a month to embark to other nations for opportunities that should be in their nations if resourced correctly even under sanctions. Remember Khomeini said, "economics is for donkeys." Those at the top preach of Islamic values but none of them follow it let alone what they preach to the public, (looking at you Khamenei). Just like the Shah's regime the modern Islamic republic commits mass torturings and human rights violations (sounding like the Shah already). They oppress their own citizens by using religion which in turn makes the youth dislike religion most notoriously the hijab rule on women. Also they don't want to allow referendum for or aganist the Islamic Republic because they know if they do it'll cease to exist the next day.

The Iranian people are the most ancient, intelligent, and proud people of the Middle East, they deserve much better than tyrannical dictators, unfortunately the west interfered in 1953 overthrowing Mossadegh, which lead to the Shah selling his nation to foreigners which lead to the revolution you all glorify and then now so the Iranian people have suffered under oppression for more then half a century by now.

However like I said I'm not Iranian I'll leave it to Iranians to decide their fates but I have a gut feeling it won't be with the Islamic republic espeically with the decrease of younger people's pateince.

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Jaffar you are wasting your time! Don't know where to start, but you are 125% wrong... won't waste much of my time here.. And how come you brought up a guy 'shah' from decades ago who is long gone and no benefit for any discussion in current times?!?! So what if he was better?

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I would like to answer this question in completely different perspective-

First of all I would like to tell you that I am neither an Iranian nor ever visited but surely will visit one day Insha Allah. 

Problem with majority of muslim umma'h was/is always with righteous people or with the people who used to try to be righteous but they never dared to question or challenge the rulers who were/are oppressors/tyrants. 

I am not saying that there are no problems in Iran or they cant be tackled and solved...

Do you remember Mukhtar e Thakafi and his government? He was the first person in history who tried to build nation based on teachings of AhleBait (as). People who were repenting for not supporting Imam Husain (as) helped him to take revenge of Karbala and he and his army did that with courage and elan. though people of Kufa later on deserted him, even his close associates and army men not supported him against Banu Zubair invasion on Kufa. 

learn from history and try to solve the issue in whatever way you/me or we can do rather accusing and helping the enemies of Islam as people did same in different era..

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On 4/27/2018 at 3:45 AM, shadow_of_light said:

 The original quote which is part of a speech made in 1979:

    "No wise person would sacrifice his young offspring for [say] affordable housing. People [on the contrary] want everything for their young offspring. Human being wants economy for his own self; it would therefore be unwise for him to spare his life in order to improve economy [...] Those who keep bringing up economy and find economy the infrastructure of everything -not knowing what human[ity] means- think of human being as an animal who is defined by means of food and clothes[...] Those who find economy the infrastructure of everything, find human beings animals. Animal too sacrifices everything for its economy and economy is its sole infrastructure. A donkey too considers economy as its only infrastructure. These people did not realize what human being [truly] is."

It is truly disgusting how some people would give such misleading and false quotes, alhamdulillah for people like you who fight this disgusting behavior with truth.

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10 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

We do not need outsiders to think for us or to speak on our behalf. We are, as we have proven, more than capable of taking our destiny into our own hands.

This is hilarious from an Islamic Republic apologist, the Islamist government interfers in Iraq's affairs all the time. But I agree no nation should interfer in another nation's affairs so to start off tell your government stay out of our affairs. Also you live in Sweden your opinions on the Islamic republic are void.

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2 minutes ago, Forgottenthinker said:

This is hilarious from an Islamic Republic apologist, the Islamist government interfers in Iraq's affairs all the time. But I agree no nation should interfer in another nation's affairs so to start off tell your government stay out of our affairs. Also you live in Sweden your opinions on the Islamic republic are void.

Cool story bro, go tell it to someone who cares about your opinion.

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Just now, IbnSina said:

Cool story bro, go tell it to someone who cares about your opinion.

Haha the hypocrisy is real you just avoided the fact your precious Islamic republic interfers in Iraq's affairs while you said none Iranians should stay out of Iran's affairs. You're low key funny :) 

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Just now, Forgottenthinker said:

Haha the hypocrisy is real you just avoided the fact your precious Islamic republic interfers in Iraq's affairs while you said none Iranians should stay out of Iran's affairs. You're low key funny :) 

You think because I am not replying that I do not have a reply? I am not interested in having a discussion with you.

I have seen you exaggerate and lie before in earlier discussions and I am not interested in talking to someone who lies and exaggerates. Please refrain from talking to me, I truly do not enjoy your existence.

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Just now, IbnSina said:

ou think because I am not replying that I do not have a reply? I am not interested in having a discussion with you.

I have seen you exaggerate and lie before in earlier discussions and I am not interested in talking to someone who lies and exaggerates. Please refrain from talking to me, I truly do not enjoy your existence.

Good then, I dont want my inbox exploded with your little rants on how great the Islamic Republic is and how I'm a Masonic Zionist Shah loving jew

the end of this between us :) 

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10 minutes ago, Forgottenthinker said:

Good then, I dont want my inbox exploded with your little rants on how great the Islamic Republic is and how I'm a Masonic Zionist Shah loving jew

the end of this between us :) 

but you have the same thought process.. same opinions... 

anyway anyone who calls themselves a "thinker" and cant recognize Imam Khomeini's greatness and worth to our era of islam is delusional.

you would fit well in a salafi forum.. spare us your thoughts

Edited by kirtc

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11 minutes ago, kirtc said:

and cant recognize Imam Khomein'is greatness and worth to our era of islam is delusional.

Have you read all volumes of his series/books Tahrir al Wasyliah, especially the second volume? Pretty interesting stuff

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Seriously there are here so many things here I find ridiculous. 

During shah Era he was in favor of secularization and do his best for regressing Islamic influence in Iran for put a "pan iranism ideology" which basically say that true iran must be like in pré Islamic Era and in fact Islam is supposed to be the reason why Iranians lost influence. He even permitted many anti Islamic books to be published during this Era! Also we must talk about the fact that his government encourages women to forget hijab and chador for wearing western clothes because Islamic dress were considered as "backward" by pahlavis. 

He also permitted many nightclubs and unislamic things like alcool and concert to be opened in public. 

You say that nowadays there is corruption and many poor people but seriously that was already a problem during shah Era, there were even many slums so I don't understand why you are talking about that. 

You say finally that you find hijab law as "stupid"? You find seriously stupid to say that people must wear according to Islamic norms ? 

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8 minutes ago, alidu78 said:

You say that nowadays there is corruption and many poor people but seriously that was already a problem during shah Era, there were even many slums so I don't understand why you are talking about that. 

I would like to know comparative study of poverty during Shah and at current time..

what are the measures government had taken to ease the sufferings of poor...

Plz enlighten us all...

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2 minutes ago, haidermpr said:

I would like to know comparative study of poverty during Shah and at current time..

what are the measures government had taken to ease the sufferings of poor...

Plz enlighten us all...

I am not an expert but I could say that during shah Era huge people don't have water, electricity, education, roads. In few years after Islamic revolution that was done. 

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Shah of Iran & Mike Wallace on the Jewish Lobby - 35 Yrs ago

Iran’s last Shah - the fifth estate

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On 4/27/2018 at 7:23 AM, zionismdestroyer said:

Shah of iran was puppet of America nothing else

This is pretty much the sole truth. The only reason he was put into his position of power via a US-British backed coup was because Mossaddegh wanted to Nationalize Iran's oil reserves.

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On 4/27/2018 at 3:38 PM, Mohammadi_follower said:

during shah Era huge people don't have water, electricity, education, roads. In few years after Islamic revolution that was done.

Thanks 

though I know superficially these things but I would like to know details.. there is no doubt that Iran had excelled in almost every field after Islamic revolution..

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1 hour ago, haidermpr said:

Thanks 

though I know superficially these things but I would like to know details.. there is no doubt that Iran had excelled in almost every field after Islamic revolution..

Salam the most difference is becoming Iran a Shia Islamic power without need to foreign powers that before revolution it's power was based on dependability to America  

10 Incredible ways Iran has Progressed since the Islamic Revolution | BISKIT

 

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I'm no Iranian but just from pictures Iran looks more Islamic then the Shas time. Even if it's "superficial" it's a huge improvement. Hijab is a better platform to build Islam on then mini skirts.

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On 4/27/2018 at 7:36 AM, Salsabeel said:

Can we prefer a kafir or munafiq or fasiq over a mo'min? 

I think we can when a kafir or munafiq is better at implementing laws that mirror Islamic principles. Especially when that society provides justice to its people, where as a so called Islamic country fails to. An absolute shame. We have the best religion, but the worst followers.

I've a couple relatives now that have studied in Hawza, Iran and lived there for a few years (one has lived for over a decade), but instead came to the West to settle. Sure, I appreciate it can be down a number of variables, but considering the current affairs in Iran and the youth leaving in droves, then one has to ask what is the Supreme Leader doing to make life better for his nation.

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6 hours ago, Jaane Rabb said:

I've a couple relatives now that have studied in Hawza, Iran and lived there for a few years (one has lived for over a decade), but instead came to the West to settle. Sure, I appreciate it can be down a number of variables, but considering the current affairs in Iran and the youth leaving in droves, then one has to ask what is the Supreme Leader doing to make life better for his nation.

Salam the Supreme Leader is doing his best for making a better life for his nation but goal of Hawza is spreading true message of Islam around the world so when somebody from a foreigner country finished his enough teaching for spreading of Shia Islam after few years in Iran must back again to his country & spreads true Shia Islam but there is no ban that he can back to Iran for further studies or introducing new ones to Hawza as it predicted near to reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) science & knowledge will spread from Hawza of Qom around the world to prepare people for reappearance that whole world is nation of Imam Mahdi (aj) as now that Shia community around the world is nation of Supreme Leader that by nationality Iran has priority but he cares about rest of Muslims specially Shia Muslims around the world.

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7 hours ago, Jaane Rabb said:

I think we can when a kafir or munafiq is better at implementing laws that mirror Islamic principles

:) Ok, please go ahead with it. I am sorry to say for me it is not the case. 

أَفَمَن كَانَ مُؤْمِنًا كَمَن كَانَ فَاسِقًا لَّا يَسْتَوُونَ

 أَمْ نَجْعَلُ الْمُتَّقِينَ كَالْفُجَّارِ 

أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ كَمَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَجَاهَدَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ لَا يَسْتَوُونَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

I don't think you're unaware of the definition of "mo'min". If you really are, read sura-e-mo'minoon & sura-e-ma'arij.


 

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9 hours ago, Jaane Rabb said:

I think we can when a kafir or munafiq is better at implementing laws that mirror Islamic principles. Especially when that society provides justice to its people, where as a so called Islamic country fails to. An absolute shame. We have the best religion, but the worst followers.

We already do have munafiqs in positions of power (government, parliament, economy...), and they're doing exactly as is expected of munafiqs; attempting to follow the strategies of enemies of Allah, trying to bypass or dismantle Islam principles any way they can, facilitating and allowing corruption as much as they can, giving out intelligence and security information to the western agencies, removing the means of evading sanctions, removing self sufficiency, manipulating the economy to increase hardship...

These people have come to power through the means of elections and influences associated with them. This falls on the people for their lack of basirat ( ability to see the truth), not on the welayat faqih or the regime. 

Where you see the waly faqih directly involved in, is in the Shia regional influences, neutralizing the 18 years old and 7 trillion dollars western plan (since 2001) of reshaping the region. In the internal affairs, the role of the waly fagih is to direct and guide the society, increase their basirat, manage the munafiq groups that ppl have brought to power, so they expose themselves without doing irreversible damage, and eventually remove them from the scene. This will take time, and damage the society receives from them is dependent on how quickly the masses mature and gain basirat. 

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. [al-Ra’d 13:11]

 

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7 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

:) Ok, please go ahead with it. I am sorry to say for me it is not the case. 

أَفَمَن كَانَ مُؤْمِنًا كَمَن كَانَ فَاسِقًا لَّا يَسْتَوُونَ

 أَمْ نَجْعَلُ الْمُتَّقِينَ كَالْفُجَّارِ 

أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ كَمَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَجَاهَدَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ لَا يَسْتَوُونَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

I don't think you're unaware of the definition of "mo'min". If you really are, read sura-e-mo'minoon & sura-e-ma'arij.

Being a mo'min (believer) is half the achievement. The second half is being righteous (and just if a leader).

A non-Muslim leader who is just, is more superior than a Muslim leader who is unjust. That unjust Muslim leader is only superior to a just non-Muslim leader with regard to his beliefs and not his service to his subjects.

Being a mo'min alone is not enough. Malik al-Ashtar being a mo'min was instructed to be righteous when Imam Ali appointed him as a Governor of Egypt:

"Let the dearest of your treasuries be the treasury of righteous action... Infuse your heart with mercy, love and kindness for your subjects. Be not in the face of them a voracious animal, counting them as easy prey, for they are of two kinds: either they are your brothers in religion or your equals in creation."

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