Donald Trump and The Iran Deal (2018)

[repenter-gone4awhile 7,304]

11 hours ago, Noah- said:

Trump exit from the deal and Israel once again attacks Iranian sites in Damascus today and killing them and their allies... When Iranian leadership, Khamenei and all others will be man enough and  going to respond? The more silence, the more attacks.. how many times Israel should strike and kill you before you do something!?! 

It's a shame the guy that has kept enemies at bay in middle east, leader of quds force, prevented countless escalations from happening, slowly made shias stronger than ever before, exposed enemies, traitors and hostilities etc etc doesn't have you as his advisor.

We really need insight and foresight like yours.

[abuhaydar 1,292]

On 5/5/2018 at 5:40 PM, Silas said:

Tucker sets the record straight about who is trying to create conflict between the US and Iran

oh? you waking up?

[abuhaydar 1,292]

these idiots are betting on choking the economy so that iranians start protesting against the regime.. I feel like once again their plan will fail

[Laayla 4,571]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

He is yelling we burned the (Barjaam)deal.

Hahaha brother thank you, now i understand what this meme is about.

Mash'Allah God bless you akhi.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

[Wahdat 1,635]

20 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

The only downside for them and the possible upside for Iran is that on both previous occasions when they did a similar calculus, Iran came out on top.

Looking back at the four decades since the inception of the Islamic Republic, one cant help but notice that almost all anti-Iranian Western actions have had consequences that were anti-West and pro-Iran: whether it were the unleashing of mad dog Saddam, creation of Taliban and Alqaida, Iraq warz, ISIS etc.....this move likewise.....cuz at the end of the day God/Universe/The Force/Nature etc has a way of balancing things out. 

Iran, by not siding with terrorism or lying to the world or holding the world hostage for its own short term goals, is on the right side of history...and is going to thrive and flourish even if there is a war...specially if there is a war.

[hasanhh 7,896]

JCPOA and its Legal Status:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-department-affirms-iran-deal-only-political-commitment   --28Nov2015

As noted in the last paragraph, Trump can pull out at will.

Well, at least lRl got some of the money the US impounded/confiscated over the years.

The Eu, as l elsewhere noted, can divert US sanction activity and other punitive actions by setting up another bank which does not do business in the US. Plus the corporations can form offshore subsidiaries that do business with lran ---like Cheney's Haliburton does.

OPINE: l am again reminded of what Rafsanjani said at jummah ~1999, "lf it was not this (contrived complaints about lran's lawful ability to enrich uranium and use the same research reactor as grad students use in Pennsylvania), it will be something else" (to harass lRl about).

[rinneganMahdi 151]

Alhamdulillah imam e zaman(ajf) hidden hand is displaying it's wonders! These arrogant pharaohs are on the highway to hell, Subhanallah I love seeing Quran 8:30 manifesting

[ZethaPonderer 83]

On 5/8/2018 at 7:48 PM, Reza said:

Is the John Oliver video worth watching, or is there too much cringe in it?

Depends on how you define cringe. I don't think its cringy IMHO, though its preferable that you skip at 3:41 to 4:17 since it adds nothing to the video.

Overall, John Oliver gives out some information to work with the reality of the Western Nations relationship with The Iran Deal. It doesn't tell the whole story though since Oliver strictly focuses on Western Nations and their interests towards the Iran Deal. Where is Iran's side of the story behind all this mayhem?

Also, thank you for your input @Akbar673 and @Abu Hadi. It would also be better if you could support your input with sources to back the validity of the claims you bring.

We live in a world after all where anyone can be misinformed about anything regardless of logic and common sense.

Edited May 10, 2018 by ZethaPonderer
Adding furthermore and highlighting out parts to skip

[Reza 10,507]

1 minute ago, ZethaPonderer said:

Where is Iran's side of the story behind all this mayhem?

A pre-requisite for this would be any kind of humanization, which evaporated years ago, if it was ever there. Liberals are as vacuous as anyone else here. 

[Laayla 4,571]

On 5/8/2018 at 9:43 PM, Noah- said:

Trump exit from the deal and Israel once again attacks Iranian sites in Damascus today and killing them and their allies... When Iranian leadership, Khamenei and all others will be man enough and  going to respond? The more silence, the more attacks.. how many times Israel should strike and kill you before you do something!?! 

Woke up to this news.  

Iranian forces on the Syrian-held side of the Golan Heights fired around 20 projectiles towards Israeli army positions in the forward defensive line of the Golan Heights causing no damage or injuries, the IDF confirmed Thursday morning.

“Around 12.10 in the morning there were some 20 projectiles fired towards communities in the Golan Heights fired by Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp’s elite Quds Force,” the IDF stated.

Incoming rocket sirens were activated early Thursday morning in Israel’s northern Golan Heights communities of Majdal Shams, Neve Ativ, Nimrod, Masa’ade, Buqa’ata, Odem, and El Rom.  
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Shots-fired-towards-Israeli-communities-in-the-Golan-556017

[Ashvazdanghe 6,419]

On 5/9/2018 at 6:13 AM, Noah- said:

Trump exit from the deal and Israel once again attacks Iranian sites in Damascus today and killing them and their allies... When Iranian leadership, Khamenei and all others will be man enough and  going to respond? The more silence, the more attacks.. how many times Israel should strike and kill you before you do something!?! 

SAlam this is their plan that iran starts a war with KSA or Israel that they have an excuse for attack to Iran & demolish it' Regime until Iran has not upperhand in offensive state but current remaining in defensI've & humblet state looks hard bit will be has better results at the end.

[hasanhh 7,896]

16 hours ago, Laayla said:

Woke up to this news.  

Iranian forces on the Syrian-held side of the Golan Heights fired around 20 projectiles towards Israeli army positions in the forward defensive line of the Golan Heights causing no damage or injuries, the IDF confirmed Thursday morning.

“Around 12.10 in the morning there were some 20 projectiles fired towards communities in the Golan Heights fired by Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp’s elite Quds Force,” the IDF stated.

Incoming rocket sirens were activated early Thursday morning in Israel’s northern Golan Heights communities of Majdal Shams, Neve Ativ, Nimrod, Masa’ade, Buqa’ata, Odem, and El Rom.  
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Shots-fired-towards-Israeli-communities-in-the-Golan-556017

Same here.

Looking up sources, l found the following in the last half-hour:

American Media: lran did it.

Israeli Media: the lRGC did it

BBC: Quotes lsraeli military as "lran did it"

Xinhua: Quotes lsraeli military like BBC BUT also has "lsrael launched missiles"

tass.com: lsrael launched missiles

rt.com: lsrael launched missiles

dw.com: lsrael launched missiles

presstv: lsrael launched missiles

reuters.com: "Iran...shells...Golan" (not missiles) -- lsrael calls Russia to say it will strike Syria -- lsrael airstrikes Syria (not missiles?)

APnews: "lsraeli mlty says it struck dozens of lranian mlty targets in Syria..."

AFP (France): lsrael missiles Syria ... Syria downs lsraeli missiles ... Explosions heard in Damascus -planes overhead... lsralel "hits dozens" of lranian targets ... "lranian forces fire on lsraeli positions in Golan"

Soooo, who knows... it is all "fake news".

[AbdusSibtayn 715]

This repudiation of the deal is just the tip of the iceberg.......I strongly believe that Murtad bin Shaytan (la), Nut-and-Yahoo (la) and Dump (la) are also planning a 1956 Suez War-style localized military campaign against the Islamic Republic; their idiocy is that they will not be able to keep it localized, and it will end in a similar fiasco as the Suez War.

[JermainTaylor 13]

I am glad this happened. Hopefully this will reduce Iran's meddling in Syria and supporting vicious genocidal tyrants shamelessly.

[hasanhh 7,896]

14 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This repudiation of the deal is just the tip of the iceberg.......I strongly believe that Murtad bin Shaytan (la), Nut-and-Yahoo (la) and Dump (la) are also planning a 1956 Suez War-style localized military campaign against the Islamic Republic; their idiocy is that they will not be able to keep it localized, and it will end in a similar fiasco as the Suez War.

Maybe, the lsraeli aggression is to get Damascus to divert resources to the Golan areas and away from the French landings planned in northern Lebanon.

Could be?

Edited May 10, 2018 by hasanhh
typing error

[AbdusSibtayn 715]

42 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Maybe, the lsraeli aggression is to get Damascus to divert resources to the Golan areas and away from the French landings planned in northern Lebanon.

Could be?

Doesn't look so, bruv. Remember that Macron is not in on the Suez War 2.0 plan, and has repeatedly voiced his opposition to this ganging up.
The Zionists and France(and the EU, for that matter) are not on the same page regarding the deal, and there's little apparent reason to believe that there's some concerted plan of action between the two, or that the Israhellis are gonna help the French militarily here.

[Abu Hadi 8,760]

On 5/9/2018 at 3:55 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Well, they can't.

Russia and China perhaps, but European businesses are too tightly integrated with the U.S.

The European companies could continue business if they really wanted to. If they stuck together and said, 'We're all doing business with Iran, so go ahead, sanction all of us'. US is not going to sanction every European country plus China and Russia. That is most of the business the US does, it would sink the US economy also. The US Dept of Treasury, the ones who track and enforce the sanctions, only have so many employees. 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Abu Hadi

[Soldiers and Saffron 6,334]

54 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

The European companies could continue business if they really wanted to. If they stuck together and said, 'We're all doing business with Iran, so go ahead, sanction all of us'. US is not going to sanction every European country plus China and Russia. That is most of the business the US does, it would sink the US economy also. The US Dept of Treasury, the ones who track and enforce the sanctions, only have so many employees. 

If only the European countries had the integrity to do something like that...

[Ashvazdanghe 6,419]

2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

The European companies could continue business if they really wanted to. If they stuck together and said, 'We're all doing business with Iran, so go ahead, sanction all of us'. US is not going to sanction every European country plus China and Russia. That is most of the business the US does, it would sink the US economy also. The US Dept of Treasury, the ones who track and enforce the sanctions, only have so many employees. 

Imam Khamenei said I have same criticism as Us to Europeans unless they accept it officially & declare it that  they will support Iran .

[Haji 2003 7,931]

9 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

The European companies could continue business if they really wanted to.

It's not the companies per se that have a sanctions problem. It's the banks and there are not so many of them. And the companies need the banks for the trade finance etc. 

And this is what scares the daylights out of the banks:

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Credit Suisse is expected to pay a fine of $536 million to settle accusations by the United States government and New York State authorities that it violated sanctions by helping Iran and other countries secretly funnel hundreds of millions of dollars through American banks, people involved in the negotiations said Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/business/16bank.html

The number of banks is not so many that the US Treasury cannot go after them or indeed even if there is a percentage chance of being caught, the fines can be so large that it's a threat that cannot be ignored.

[Hameedeh 18,810]

On 5/9/2018 at 1:25 PM, Laayla said:

Hahaha brother thank you, now i understand what this meme is about.

This is about an Iranian man who is famous for getting bit by snakes, scorpions and bees. Whatever creature bites him will die. Poison to poison.  

[hasanhh 7,896]

13 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This repudiation of the deal is just the tip of the iceberg.......I strongly believe that Murtad bin Shaytan (la), Nut-and-Yahoo (la) and Dump (la) are also planning a 1956 Suez War-style localized military campaign against the Islamic Republic; their idiocy is that they will not be able to keep it localized, and it will end in a similar fiasco as the Suez War.

Another thought:

Since the US exports oil and does not 'need' Mid-east oil, this "crisis" is an excuse to bid up oil, so the GCC has more money to buy the weapons the US exports.

[AbdusSibtayn 715]

10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Another thought:

Since the US exports oil and does not 'need' Mid-east oil, this "crisis" is an excuse to bid up oil, so the GCC has more money to buy the weapons the US exports.

Perfectly plausible.

[hasanhh 7,896]

7 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Perfectly plausible.

Not an original thought by me. l heard a commentator say this about two weeks ago. l forget who and where.

[hasanhh 7,896]

For context:

On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 3:03 PM, hasanhh said:

Another thought:

Since the US exports oil and does not 'need' Mid-east oil, this "crisis" is an excuse to bid up oil, so the GCC has more money to buy the weapons the US exports.

 

On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 1:58 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

Perfectly plausible.

 

On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 9:46 AM, hasanhh said:

Not an original thought by me. l heard a commentator say this about two weeks ago. l forget who and where.

l was re-watching PBS Frontline "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" dated 29March2016 and in this it said that to quell dissent the King-KSA doled out $133BBillion. Then one of the interviewees said, KSA "doesn't have this kind of money anymore". And is still fighting in Yemen.(That cost, too.)

So a fabricated increase in ppb (price per barrel) is necessary for stability operations and to buy billions of dollars of American--computer controlled- weapons (remember the microchips in the fighters?)

[AbdusSibtayn 715]

On 5/12/2018 at 10:31 PM, hasanhh said:

For context:

 

 

l was re-watching PBS Frontline "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" dated 29March2016 and in this it said that to quell dissent the King-KSA doled out $133BBillion. Then one of the interviewees said, KSA "doesn't have this kind of money anymore". And is still fighting in Yemen.(That cost, too.)

So a fabricated increase in ppb (price per barrel) is necessary for stability operations and to buy billions of dollars of American--computer controlled- weapons (remember the microchips in the fighters?)

That, plus reduce competition in crude oil export from Iran.
Sanctions=>Drop in demand=> Drop in production.
The takfiris gain both ways.

[Khadim uz Zahra 3,224]

As far as oil prices are concerned, Saudi Arabia is also moving to put its nationalised oil company on the stock exchange, meaning the higher the oil price, the more valuable the company will be when it starts trading.

[hasanhh 7,896]

From the US sponsored anti-lRl webblight lran Focus --which has a link too long to read, much less copy,

"How to Precipitate a Collapse of the lranian Dictatorship?" 15May18in the "nuclear" section.

"They mean it is a dictatorship that holds elections?"

At the end, quoting Sadeep Gopalan (The Hill) " lf Trump can persuade China that its own commercial interests require disengagement from lran, he might precipitate a collapse of the lranian dictatorship through and economic chokehold. That would bring peace to the lranian people and the region."

OPINE:    A political collapse usually brings about political violence. This spouted garbage is more reminiscent of the old style "soviet peace offensive" than anything constructive.

BTW: when does lran next go to the polls to elect another  'dictator' ?

 

[Reza 10,507]

Interesting article. Emphasis on the bold part at the bottom (bolded by me). 

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MAY 14, 2018

The Damage Trump Has Done in the Middle East

by PATRICK COCKBURN

When Donald Trump was sworn in as president at the start of last year, many predicted that he would be a less explosive presence in the White House than he had been during the campaign. They hoped that he would be restrained by the permanent political and bureaucratic establishment in Washington and argued that radicals in power turn into compliant conservatives and seek to preserve the status quo.

At about this time, a friend sent me a clipping of a New York Times editorial dated 31 January 1933, with the title “Germany Ventures”. The writer recognised that there were qualms at the appointment as the head of the German government of a man who “has openly scorned it” and threatened to destroy it. But the editorial is reassuringly confident that this would not happen, citing many reasons such as the opposition of his cabinet colleagues who would oppose him “if he sought to translate the wild and whirling words of his campaign speeches into political action”.

Other limitations on the new leader’s power also suggested that nothing much would change: German finances were in strong and conservative hands; attempts to establish a dictatorship would provoke a general strike; German foreign policy would be unchanged; and President Paul von Hindenburg could unmake the new chancellor just as quickly as he had made him.

 

In a classic piece of political miscalculation, the editorial writer reassured readers: “It may be that we will see the ‘tamed’ Hitler of whom some Germans are hopefully speaking,” he said. “Always we may look for some such transformation when a radical demagogue fights his way into responsible office.” Judgement of the new German leader should be suspended until he had shown if he was more than “a flighty agitator” who would “compel the German people to take a leap into the dark”.

I took the point at the time that the friend who had sent me the clipping was seeking to point out how easy it was to underestimate the degree to which demagogues can be even more power-hungry and destructive in office than they were before. But I did not use the clipping because I felt that it was premature to compare Trump to the elected dictators of the past – of whom Mussolini and Hitler are only the worst examples – who won a majority at the polls and then tried to eliminate all opposition to their authority at home and abroad.

From Napoleon III to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan today, populist nationalist strongmen have much in common: simpleminded slogans and vague promises guaranteed to win votes, attacks on independent media, contempt for the law (though lauding law and order), control and marginalisation of parliament, chauvinism, militarism, allegations of corruption and an incessant pursuit of power.

President Barack Obama predicted that Trump would find the American ship of state difficult to turn, but turn it did. The “grown-ups” in his cabinet, mostly former generals of whom so much as was expected, have come and gone. Those that remain are ignored and humiliated such as Secretary of State, Jim Mattis, who said that the Iran nuclear deal was doing its job.

Trump has been systematically blowing up the fixed points in American foreign policy, so the political temperature in the Middle East is continually rising. As one commentator put it, there are more unpredictable “moving parts” than ever before in the different crises, parts which may break loose at any moment.

This week saw the US pull out of the Iran nuclear accord and Israel make heavy airstrikes on Iranian targets in Syria. But the coming week may bring almost equally dangerous developments: on 12 May there is the Iraqi parliamentary election in which no party is likely to win a majority. The US and Iran are backing different sides to try to ensure that the next Iraqi government is favourable to them. Iraqis fear their country will be the arena in which the US and Iran fight for supremacy, with the odds favouring the Iranians if only because they, like the majority of Iraqis, are Shia Muslims.

Practical questions will arise after the election: what, for instance, will be the future for the 10,000 US soldiers and military contractors in Iraq but whose presence is not as necessary as it was before the defeat of Isis? As the US imposes stringent economic sanctions on Iran, will it penalise individuals, banks and companies in Iraq doing business with Iran? Iran has every incentive to route part of its business through Baghdad, where the US will have to step lightly in order to avoid alienating local allies.

Within two days of the Iraqi election, the US Embassy in Israel will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Israeli and American flags will flutter in every street and there will be 150 giant billboards with the face of Donald Trump on them. This will happen on 14 May, the same day as tens of thousands of Palestinians will march in Gaza to try to break through the fence surrounding the enclave.

The demonstration comes at the end of seven weeks of protests called the “Great March of Return” in which the Palestinians sought to reassert their right to return to the land in Israel from which they were expelled or fled in 1947. At least 43 Palestinians have been killed and 1,700 wounded in the protests so far. The peace process between Israel and the Palestinians has long been moribund, but Trump is brazenly saying to the Palestinians that they count for nothing and can expect nothing from diplomacy.

The danger is that, like so many other populist nationalist strongmen, Trump will overplay his hand. From the eastern borders of Afghanistan to the Mediterranean, the US position is not strong. He looks to local powers like Israel and Saudi Arabia but they can do less for him than he imagines. There is a diplomatic price to be paid for ignoring European and other allies who see that appeasement of Trump gets them nowhere and is despised as a sign of weakness.

The problem is that Trump’s vision of the Middle East is made up of gobbets of neo-conservative propaganda supplemented by the self-serving views of Israeli and Saudi leaders. He may imagine that the Palestinian issue will go away, though it has stubbornly refused to do so for the past century. He may think that Iraq can be detached politically from Iran, but this is not going to happen. He appears to expect economic sanctions to lead to regime change or abject surrender by Iran, but there is no reason to believe this will happen. Trump may not intend war in the Middle East, but he cannot get what he wants without one – and maybe not even then.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/14/the-damage-trump-has-done-in-the-middle-east/

[hasanhh 7,896]

"lran Deal: The European Unions Ugly Options"

http://www.dw.com/en/iran-deal-the-european-unions-ugly-options/a-43787767 

China is OK

Russia says they will have 'business better than usual'.

EU is in a quandary: "dignity" or submission.

[Noah- 1,819]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 9:23 AM, repenter said:

It's a shame the guy that has kept enemies at bay in middle east, leader of quds force, prevented countless escalations from happening, slowly made shias stronger than ever before, exposed enemies, traitors and hostilities etc etc doesn't have you as his advisor.

We really need insight and foresight like yours.

Maybe! Or maybe his advisors are mainly corrupt and working for the interests of enemies and it's time for me to sign up...!

Anyhow, seriously, you don't see any problem here? Either back off and leave Syria, Lebanon, Palestine..etc.. or do something to protect your nationals, your country, your honor and those who are being killed by Israeli agents for years inside Iran and nowadays in front of the eyes of the world.. Why shouldn't we be able to express our opinions here? And you (as an admin) come and make fun of ppl here?!!  As an admin you should be happy to see ppl come express different opinions.

btw: I don't agree with most of your initial points---> kept enemies at bay in ME, made shias stronger...etc.. things could have been much-much better!

[Noah- 1,819]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 10:06 PM, Laayla said:

Woke up to this news.  

Iranian forces on the Syrian-held side of the Golan Heights fired around 20 projectiles towards Israeli army positions in the forward defensive line of the Golan Heights causing no damage or injuries, the IDF confirmed Thursday morning.

“Around 12.10 in the morning there were some 20 projectiles fired towards communities in the Golan Heights fired by Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp’s elite Quds Force,” the IDF stated.

Incoming rocket sirens were activated early Thursday morning in Israel’s northern Golan Heights communities of Majdal Shams, Neve Ativ, Nimrod, Masa’ade, Buqa’ata, Odem, and El Rom.  
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Shots-fired-towards-Israeli-communities-in-the-Golan-556017

Good.. the admin was making fun of me... so here we go, finally some smart ppl acted.. next time make it 200 projectiles, then see how these Zionist rats will have the courage to strike again.. who doesn't like free shots if there is no consequences? They been attacking Syria for years and years, the only reason is that Syria never had the mean or the courage to fire back.. Why they cannot attack Hezb (a small group) in south Lebanon everyday?!!

 

[repenter-gone4awhile 7,304]

3 hours ago, Noah- said:

Good.. the admin was making fun of me... so here we go, finally some smart ppl acted.. next time make it 200 projectiles, then see how these Zionist rats will have the courage to strike again.. who doesn't like free shots if there is no consequences? They been attacking Syria for years and years, the only reason is that Syria never had the mean or the courage to fire back.. Why they cannot attack Hezb (a small group) in south Lebanon everyday?!!

Sometimes when you don't respond to someone on their selfproclaimed great ideas, they will feel the urge to continue and then eventually you realise you never needed to respond, they spared you half a page of writing by continuing their great geopolitical theories.

[myouvial 398]

Other player in the world

https://www.corbettreport.com/chinese-world-order-rises-in-ashes-of-iran-deal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CorbettReportRSS+(The+Corbett+Report)

[hasanhh 7,896]

@myouvial  This is expected by a lot of commentators.

Similarly, l am now watching the German Parliament Debate on DeutscheWelle.

Chancellor Merkel said that "Europe must stand on (its -ed.) own". Syria and lran she spoke on for 20 minutes. She is also wants more money for the Bundeswehr.

Did you see the actual engineering achievement of a bridge spanning the Kerch Strait? Years ago, but l forget the specifics, such a bridge was not feasible. Which is why ferries have been used.