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I think, Muslims are becoming the victim of very sophisticated Marketing. Manufacturing a state of Crisis, when its, only bots flooding the internet with half truths and spinning making stories and dr

You are setting up a false dichotomy here. You are saying that secularism is better because anyone who wears a hijab or grows a beard is going to become like ISIS. So it's either militant secularism/a

I know these are only footages but I often feel skeptical when people mention atheism in Azerbaïdjan.

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5 hours ago, wolverine said:

That news story is almost 7 pages in length. Can you summarize what you learned from it?

Essentially Kazakhstan is a Post Soviet nation in which Islam was prevalent in most of the population with the advent of modernity the state has retained certain Soviet anti-religious policies such as not allowing people to wear articles that identify their faith, in one case a boy with a cross had his cross cut from his necklace because it wasn't a part of the school uniform this has also been the justification for banning children who wear hijab.

The Soviets tried to promote Pan-Turkism and Neo Tengrism(a PreIslamic religion among Turks whose practices are unknown to this day) the political idea has nothing to do with the former religion.

The parents of the children have taken the case to court but the judges have ruled against them.

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The curbing of religious freedoms have been severe in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, and Kyrgyzstan where they tried to ban the head scarf but faced severe backlash from the people.

I would say based on research I have done Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are where the most Atheists and cultural Muslims exist even more so than Iran or Kurdistan or Turkey. 

Many of the people within these Stan countries have premarital sex with Russians and other people, Islam seems to be on the decline there even though it was once the region where many Muslim scholars came from.

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4 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

I would say based on research I have done Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are where the most Atheists and cultural Muslims exist even more so than Iran or Kurdistan or Turkey. 

Many of the people within these Stan countries have premarital sex with Russians and other people, Islam seems to be on the decline there even though it was once the region where many Muslim scholars came from.

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I know these are only footages but I often feel skeptical when people mention atheism in Azerbaïdjan.

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14 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

 

I would say based on research I have done Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are where the most Atheists and cultural Muslims exist even more so than Iran or Kurdistan or Turkey. 

 

I don't know Kazakhstan so I will not comment about that. However in Azerbaijan there are not so much atheist but "irreligious people", which means they identify themselves as Muslims but don't practice it so much. 

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3 minutes ago, alidu78 said:

I don't know Kazakhstan so I will not comment about that. However in Azerbaijan there are not so much atheist but "irreligious people", which means they identify themselves as Muslims but don't practice it so much. 

In terms of support for Sharia it’s much lower in those countries:

Kazakhstan has the lowest followed by Azerbaijan

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1 hour ago, Enlightened Follower said:

In terms of support for Sharia it’s much lower in those countries:

Kazakhstan has the lowest followed by Azerbaijan

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Again being atheist and irreligious is not equal. Also these statistics are ridiculous. 

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6 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Again being atheist and irreligious is not equal. Also these statistics are ridiculous. 

Where there are atheists there are suicides:

Kazakhstan among world's 10 most suicidal countries - WHO

http://www.inform.kz/en/kazakhstan-among-world-s-10-most-suicidal-countries-who_a2699529

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https://en.tengrinews.kz/health/Alarming-proportions-of-child-and-youth-suicide-in-255632/

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Azerbaijan: Alarming Rise in Suicide

A fourfold rise in the number of suicides in Azerbaijan has alarmed experts who warn that this cannot be blamed on the recent economic crisis alone. 

A total of 535 suicides were recorded last year, up from 138 in 2008, according to Kamala Talibova, head of the department of emergency psychological assistance at the ministry of health´s mental health centre.

During the first quarter of 2016, another 94 people committed suicide, while 16 made failed attempts, according to the website of the ministry of internal affairs.

Not all suicides committed in Baku and particularly in the regions of Azerbaijan are actually included in the statistics, as some families tend to disguise them as natural deaths.

 

If you compare it to the end of the 1980s and 1990s, the economic crisis today is not so bad.  In those years, people could literally not find a piece of bread.  But suicides were rare.  Therefore, it is not the difficult social conditions, but the total social injustice,” he told IWPR.

https://iwpr.net/global-voices/azerbaijan-alarming-rise-suicide

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I had respect for Communists because of Iran-Russia alliance but I think I've changed my mind

These people are dogs:

 

"Tajikistan’s state television has aired a documentary that alleges that prostitutes in the country have been wearing Islamic veils to earn more money"

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/viral/tajikistan-state-tv-says-prostitutes-wearing-hijabs-to-earn-more-money-up-prices/

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OK for begin there are many russians in Kazakhstan and there are also non Muslims in Azerbaijan. Secondly 500 on a population of 10 millions is seriously nothing. Finally many Azerbaijanis again are not atheist but know nothing about religion, it is possible that many of those who commited suicide didn't even know this is a big sin in Islam. 

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7 minutes ago, alidu78 said:

OK for begin there are many russians in Kazakhstan and there are also non Muslims in Azerbaijan. Secondly 500 on a population of 10 millions is seriously nothing. Finally many Azerbaijanis again are not atheist but know nothing about religion, it is possible that many of those who commited suicide didn't even know this is a big sin in Islam. 

Yes, but these Non Muslims have influenced the culture, vodka is openly drank in public and Premarital affairs are common place.

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34 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Yes, but these Non Muslims have influenced the culture, vodka is openly drank in public and Premarital affairs are common place.

This is true about alcool but let me tell you that in reality this is a problem in more Muslim countries that you could think. Also premarital is still less common than in Europe. 

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On 4/21/2018 at 9:14 PM, Enlightened Follower said:

The curbing of religious freedoms have been severe in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, and Kyrgyzstan where they tried to ban the head scarf but faced severe backlash from the people.

I would say based on research I have done Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are where the most Atheists and cultural Muslims exist even more so than Iran or Kurdistan or Turkey. 

Many of the people within these Stan countries have premarital sex with Russians and other people, Islam seems to be on the decline there even though it was once the region where many Muslim scholars came from.

unfortunately Afghan govt missed this ban on Islam....instead they got suicide bombers and beheaders and terrorists and terror.

I cant wait for the day when Islam is completely banned in all Central Asian countries- a move that'd cut the hands of Saudis sock puppets and the hand that is inside them off the wellbeing of the people. Go Kazakhstan Go!

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1 hour ago, Wahdat said:

unfortunately Afghan govt missed this ban on Islam....instead they got suicide bombers and beheaders and terrorists and terror.

I cant wait for the day when Islam is completely banned in all Central Asian countries- a move that'd cut the hands of Saudis sock puppets and the hand that is inside them off the wellbeing of the people. Go Kazakhstan Go!

That’s a bit silly and extremist even Pakistan(271 billion) that has bad economy has a higher GDP than Kazakhstan(134 billion).

Also most the people in these countries aren’t militant they just want to practice their religion.

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33 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

That’s a bit silly and extremist even Pakistan(271 billion) that has bad economy has a higher GDP than Kazakhstan(134 billion).

Also most the people in these countries aren’t militant they just want to practice their religion.

except that Pakistan has a population of almost 200 million while Kazakhstan has 18 million...Pakistan GDP has to become 11 times bigger to match that of Kazakhstan speaking on per capita basis...
So how do you know that 'they just want to practice their religion'? Did they all convene, came up with this unanimous declaration, and informed you to write things down on SC?

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22 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

In terms of support for Sharia it’s much lower in those countries:

Kazakhstan has the lowest followed by Azerbaijan

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I wonder how that statistic would look like if they asked the same people if they actually knew what sharia was.

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11 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

practice their religion'? Did they all convene, came up with this unanimous declaration, and informed you to write things down on SC?

Currently practicing of Shia Islam banned in Kazakhstan, only Sunni muslims allow to practice like as Malaysia. 

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1 minute ago, Wahdat said:

all the more reason to ban Islam in its entirety.....

They don't ban all of it & I see until now there will be next training camp for Wahabists soldiers.

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1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

They don't ban all of it & I see until now there will be next training camp for Wahabists soldiers.

They wish...thank god there are enough vodka drinking Kazakhs at the top to incinerate these neo-religious little terrorists.

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In our case the only monsters are those who, motivated by the virtue of their simpleton understanding of their religion, go into markets, mosques, schools, bazars and blow themselves up. Kazakhs are to fare far better under the current 'non-Muslim' folks at the top than under the Islamists who'd make Kazakhstan the next beheading capital of the world...not to mention how they'd have to ask the House of Saud on how to dress their men, women, and children. Thankfully Kazakhs are the last to fall for this travesty.
Oh and I do like long gazes into reality with the hopes of it gazing back to me :)
 

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27 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

In our case the only monsters are those who, motivated by the virtue of their simpleton understanding of their religion, go into markets, mosques, schools, bazars and blow themselves up.

Most places East of Iran(aside from Pakistan and Afghanistan) are pro Shia and are not known for being overly zealous, you rarely see burqas there. They simply would like to wear hijabs, one monster(Wahhabis) are not better than the other extreme(Atheist/Secularists).

As Shia it is upon us to resist injustice and make peace with other.

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On 4/22/2018 at 12:34 PM, Enlightened Follower said:

 When the Mahdi(as) comes he will likely experience the greatest difficult with these nations.

"He will direct desires towards (the path of) guidance while people will have turned guidance towards desires, and he will turn their views to the direction of the Qur'an while the people will have turned the Qur'an to their views."

يَعْطِفُ الْهَوَى عَلَى الْهُدَى إِذَا عَطَفُوا الْهُدَى عَلَى الْهَوَى، وَيَعْطِفُ الرَّأْيَ عَلَى الْقُرْآنِ إِذَا عَطَفُوا الْقُرْآنَ عَلَى الرَّأْيِ

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-138-he-will-direct-desires-towards

"He will be wearing the armour of wisdom, which he will have secured with all its conditions,...."

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-182-praise-be-Allah-whom-return-all-creation#part-same-sermon-about-imam-al-mahdi

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19 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Most places East of Iran(aside from Pakistan and Afghanistan) are pro Shia and are not known for being overly zealous, you rarely see burqas there. They simply would like to wear hijabs, one monster(Wahhabis) are not better than the other extreme(Atheist/Secularists).

As Shia it is upon us to resist injustice and make peace with other.

The reason why those countries are not 'overly zealous' is exactly because of the secularist 'live and let live' nature of the those societies. Today Uzbeks are the most zealous militants in the takfiri camps. In Afg they put Pashtuns to shame.  Why? Because Saudis told them to wear hijabs, grow beards, join Jihad, behead neighbors, and all the other criminal and inhumane acts that come with this 'Islamic' package. And I'd have you know that if it were not for the vodka drinking secularist strongmen like Dostum in Afg, Karimov in Uzbekistan, or Nazarbayov in Kazakhstan, this whole war with takfiris would have looked a whole lot different spanning from Western China all the way to South Lebanon. Stop it with this missionary zeal supporting things that you have no idea about...the same as those supporting takfiris in Syria. 

As humans it is upon us to resist stupidity and insanity whatever guise that they come in...even Islam.

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4 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

The reason why those countries are not 'overly zealous' is exactly because of the secularist 'live and let live' nature of the those societies. Today Uzbeks are the most zealous militants in the takfiri camps. In Afg they put Pashtuns to shame.  Why? Because Saudis told them to wear hijabs, grow beards, join Jihad, behead neighbors, and all the other criminal and inhumane acts that come with this 'Islamic' package. And I'd have you know that if it were not for the vodka drinking secularist strongmen like Dostum in Afg, Karimov in Uzbekistan, or Nazarbayov in Kazakhstan, this whole war with takfiris would have looked a whole lot different spanning from Western China all the way to South Lebanon. Stop it with this missionary zeal supporting things that you have no idea about...the same as those supporting takfiris in Syria. 

As humans it is upon us to resist stupidity and insanity whatever guise that they come in...even Islam.

Actually Strongmen empower Islamists, i.e. Saddam in Iraq, Ghadaffi in Libya, and Assad in Syria. Allowing Islamists to gain seats as a political party would help and take away the conflict I.e. Turkey, and Tunisia.

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5 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

As humans it is upon us to resist stupidity and insanity whatever guise that they come in...even Islam.

Islam is incapable of doing anything, individuals are. For most of Central Asian history they were pro Shi’a, Mongols in Iran, Timor was sympathetic to Ahlul Bayt and a Persian Sunni from Afghanistan was killed because he praised Ali and not Muwaiyah.

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1 minute ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Actually Strongmen empower Islamists, i.e. Saddam in Iraq, Ghadaffi in Libya, and Assad in Syria. Allowing Islamists to gain seats as a political party would help and take away the conflict I.e. Turkey, and Tunisia.

Allowing Islamists to gain seats as a political party where that party would build a 200 million dollar paid by Saudi mosque, a 130 million dollar Saudi channel deceiving people, and pop up madrasas everywhere and....is the path to suicide. Like it is in Turkey, like it is in Syria, like it is everywhere where there is darkness and insanity.

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2 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Islam is incapable of doing anything, individuals are. For most of Central Asian history they were pro Shi’a, Mongols in Iran, Timor was sympathetic to Ahlul Bayt and a Persian Sunni from Afghanistan was killed because he praised Ali and not Muwaiyah.

I think that it'd really help everyone when we start talking as humans and seeing each other as one. Being shia, sunni, etc are immaterial here...sanity should be the main focus. 

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4 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

Allowing Islamists to gain seats as a political party where that party would build a 200 million dollar paid by Saudi mosque, a 130 million dollar Saudi channel deceiving people, and pop up madrasas everywhere and....is the path to suicide. Like it is in Turkey, like it is in Syria, like it is everywhere where there is darkness and insanity.

Syria is not comparable to Turkey, the Islamists there were non violent and simply want democratic reforms in Turkey . Not all Islamists are created equal.

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