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Brahim

Omar ibn al Khattab and Abu Jahl

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Salam brothers and Sisters, I had a question. I have seen in a couple lectures by Sayed Ammar that Omar use to torture the early Muslims and he has said it's in the books of history. He's brought this up while talking about Ammar Ibn Yassir's parents. I don't doubt this about Omar, but can anyone show me proof? Shukran

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1 hour ago, Brahim said:

Salam brothers and Sisters, I had a question. I have seen in a couple lectures by Sayed Ammar that Omar use to torture the early Muslims and he has said it's in the books of history. He's brought this up while talking about Ammar Ibn Yassir's parents. I don't doubt this about Omar, but can anyone show me proof? Shukran

Salaam,

You can watch the series "Umar" which is a biopic on Caliph Umar made in Saudi Arabia. He is shown to be one of the foremost in tormenting the Muslims.

Please be sure to read my blog on him as well. Link in my signature.

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Umar was known to be a violent man. Before becoming Muslim, he hit/beat his sister so much that she began bleeding, because she became Muslim and was reciting Qur'an with her husband. Umar also yelled, when the prophet died, "Anyone who says the prophet has passed away, will be beheaded by me! For verily he is alive, not dead."

Umar was also documented to have hit his female servants many times.

 

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17 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

You can watch the series "Umar" which is a biopic on Caliph Umar made in Saudi Arabia

Salam in this serial they make a very positive Image of him ,in reality he was WORSER than that they shown .

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9 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam in this serial they make a very positive Image of him ,in reality he was WORSER than that they shown .

I agree. But they do show how anti-Muslim he was. Read my blog brother.

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49 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hitting female servants ? Maybe they deserved it 

We don't know the context , God knows best 

Lol. I guess his sister deserved it too.

On 4/21/2018 at 8:14 PM, Hussaini624 said:

Umar was known to be a violent man. Before becoming Muslim, he hit/beat his sister so much that she began bleeding, because she became Muslim and was reciting Qur'an with her husband. Umar also yelled, when the prophet died, "Anyone who says the prophet has passed away, will be beheaded by me! For verily he is alive, not dead."

Umar was also documented to have hit his female servants many times.

 

Don't forget his vehement protest at the Peace Treaty of Hudaibiya and denying/questioning the Prophethood of Muhammad (saw).

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why was he granted power and station in the prophets lifetime? 

If he was the way you describe ?  Why was he able to come into power or able to acquire it if he was not among the companions?

Nothing adds up 

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3 hours ago, wmehar2 said:

why was he granted power and station in the prophets lifetime? 

If he was the way you describe ?  Why was he able to come into power or able to acquire it if he was not among the companions?

Nothing adds up 

It's actually simple. Abu Bakr was the caliph, and before he died, he made Umar the caliph.

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4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hitting female servants ? Maybe they deserved it 

We don't know the context , God knows best 

Salam Umar was so terrifying person which recorded in history one time a pregnant woman when heard he comes to her house her unborn child died in her womb from his fear. 

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3 hours ago, wmehar2 said:

why was he granted power and station in the prophets lifetime? 

If he was the way you describe ?  Why was he able to come into power or able to acquire it if he was not among the companions?

Nothing adds up 

Salam he was unpopular among people becuse of his rude behavior to the others but Abubakr was a popular person & by his support nobody except few people can't stands against them.

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6 hours ago, Hussaini624 said:

It's actually simple. Abu Bakr was the caliph, and before he died, he made Umar the caliph.

stands to reason Abu Bakr wouldn't put someone unpopular as Caliph especially someone he's had disagreements with  (over Khalid ibn Walids crimes).

Still doesnt make sense. 

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54 minutes ago, wmehar2 said:

stands to reason Abu Bakr wouldn't put someone unpopular as Caliph especially someone he's had disagreements with  (over Khalid ibn Walids crimes).

Still doesnt make sense. 

Salam because Abubakr was in debt to Umar for his caliphate also people afraid from Umar too much because of his brute rudeness thus after him the caliphate after him would remain intact but Khalid Ibn Walid had a group of enemies against himself & he wasn’t strong enough to stand against them.

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On 4/22/2018 at 9:11 PM, wmehar2 said:

why was he granted power and station in the prophets lifetime? 

If he was the way you describe ?  Why was he able to come into power or able to acquire it if he was not among the companions?

Nothing adds up 

What power was he granted in the prophet's lifetime? Were you asking how he actually came to power or are you asking why Allan سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى would permit a ruler like him from a pre- destination point of view? I know Sunnis have a different view of free will vs. pre destination than us. When I talked to Sunnis in the past, it's like they can't believe we disassociate from Omar because they believe Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى wouldn't of allowed him or the other caliphs to rule if it wasn't meant to be.

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