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Men in the West are becoming Feminized

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The focus of this topic is men becoming effeminate. This is not a discussion of feminism or women's rights, or even of women becoming masculine. Please stay on topic.

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On 4/26/2018 at 2:35 PM, Silas said:

The problem we face in the west, is that even if men are traditionally "masculine", they lack conviction, honesty, character, and piety.

In other words, we have guys who lift weights, hunt, play sports, etc., but are also emotionally weak, promiscuous, unprincipled, and unreliable. 

Likewise, we have beautiful women without restraint and character, who chase after material things, and have a disdain for marriage and family.

The solution to this (aside from religion) is to fix the culture, not retreat from one's responsibilities to start a family, as the MGTOW guys would do. I have seen what the superficial, live-for-the-moment lifestyle does to men and women--it leads to disaster later, as they find themselves unmarried, and without family when they hit age 40. 

So in your eyes Masculine men are full of conviction, honesty, character, and piety. Whereas Feminine men are emotionally weak, promiscuous, unprincipled, and unreliable.

Not at all my definition.

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1 minute ago, andres said:

So in your eyes Masculine men are full of conviction, honesty, character, and piety. Whereas Feminine men are emotionally weak, promiscuous, unprincipled, and unreliable.

Not at all my definition.

Femnine men are the anti thesis to progress economically and socially, lower testosterone equals less drive and mental clarity.

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3 minutes ago, andres said:

So in your eyes Masculine men are full of conviction, honesty, character, and piety. Whereas Feminine men are emotionally weak, promiscuous, unprincipled, and unreliable.

Not at all my definition.

Also feminine men are more likely to be stepped on and used as they are powerless and weak no competent women would want them in a relationship.

Elliot Rodger and the recent Toronto shooter were both emotional and effeminate, look how far that got them....

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5 minutes ago, andres said:

So in your eyes Masculine men are full of conviction, honesty, character, and piety. Whereas Feminine men are emotionally weak, promiscuous, unprincipled, and unreliable.

Not at all my definition.

No, I said that some masculine men lack these qualities even though they are "masculine". In other words, physical strength is not strength of character, or emotional strength.

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1 minute ago, Silas said:

No, I said that some masculine men lack these qualities even though they are "masculine". In other words, physical strength is not strength of character, or emotional strength.

Exactly a man can be very muscular but overly emotional and easily controlled.

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On 4/26/2018 at 2:51 PM, Silas said:

I have a different take on this whole thing ...

I work in a pretty demanding, high-stress field, and my wife stays home to raise and educate the children (we homeschool).

Whenever she gets worried or insecure because she is not out working as a professional, or following a career, I remind her that what she does at home is infinitely more important than what I do at work. I make money to support her efforts within the household, as the well-being of the family is my primary mission in life. 

Men and women have different prerogatives and tasks, but their mission is the same (I venture to say that this is consistent with Islam). Earning a high salary and driving a fancy car does not make you a "strong" woman, or even particularly successful when we look at it from the perspective of what is really important (to serve God and family, and to pave the way for the next generation).

Men and women are equal in the eyes of God, but they are not the same. These Swedish women want to be men, and to renounce marriage, family, stability, restraint, and religion. They want nice clothes and expensive coffee, and they want to lord over men, out of a kind of perverse resentment. 

Some couples in Sweden have the same jobb, earning the same. School teachers for example.  If they have different jobbs, in most marriages the man earns more than the wife. -this is the most common category. In marriages where only one work, the wife normally stays at home. Which is the best solution for Swedes depends on so many factors that it is impossible to say. If you and your wife are satisfied with your situation, this is fine. 

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On 4/26/2018 at 3:09 PM, andres said:

Some couples in Sweden have the same jobb, earning the same. School teachers for example.  If they have different jobbs, in most marriages the man earns more than the wife. -this is the most common category. In marriages where only one work, the wife normally stays at home. Which is the best solution for Swedes depends on so many factors that it is impossible to say. If you and your wife are satisfied with your situation, this is fine. 

Swedish society will never be world conquerors anymore or similar to how they were during the Viking Age. Even the last remnants of tradition, Christianity is leaving Sweden....

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4 minutes ago, Silas said:

No, I said that some masculine men lack these qualities even though they are "masculine". In other words, physical strength is not strength of character, or emotional strength.

Some men. Of course. Men are not all alike. 

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Just now, Enlightened Follower said:

Swedish society will never be world conquerors anymore or similar to how they were during the Viking Age. 

Vikings, robbed, killed and raped. We have had peace for over 209 years now.  Is this not a lot better than being conquerors?

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3 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Are you married? If not you should marry a Christian from the ME your children will stay religious and your lineage will continue.

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11 minutes ago, andres said:

Can you define what you mean by mascular and feminine men?

Men who are depressed express their emotions to society and women but are still ridiculed because they come off as incompetent and weak.

Essentially men with no purpose in life i.e. Elliot Rodgers, Alex Minassian

Masculinity and Femininity are character traits a guy who is skinny, short, and confident can come across as more “masculine” than a ripped muscular guy with mommy issues.

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I think getting too caught up in what is "feminine" vs. "Masculine" can be problematic. Obviously, there are masculine virtues such as courage, fortitude, and self-sacrifice, but those things do not exclusively belong to men: they are simply expected of men.

Likewise, feminine virtues would include a nurturing instinct, being agreeable, having a strong moral compass, embracing beauty, etc.

I am a pretty masculine guy who enjoys things like boxing, the outdoors, military history, etc., but I can also enjoy things like figure skating (watching it, not doing it lol), fine art, opera, etc. --to me it is part of being cultured, even though some men might find it feminine. 

What we should worry about is men who are weak in character and emotion. I have a friend who is married to a Japanese woman who lords over him. She controls the money in the household, and doesn't even give him the PIN to the ATM card. She keeps constant tabs on him and dictates his social life. He is a weak guy who is behaving in a submissive and passive manner. 

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