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Men in the West are becoming Feminized

Reza

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The focus of this topic is men becoming effeminate. This is not a discussion of feminism or women's rights, or even of women becoming masculine. Please stay on topic.

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On 4/24/2018 at 5:50 PM, andres said:

Is it a problem that girls have success? 

hi feminism doesn't any relation to feminism , most of feminist groups looks like uneducated thugs with anti social behaviors.   

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6 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

My point was countries that enforce gender equality such as Sweden actually promote more inequality in the STEM fields.

Is your definition of "gender equality" that 50% if all taxidrivers, doctors, nurses, policemen must be women? 

Over here we say that equality means that women and men have the same possiibility to choose the carrear of their own choise. If this mean that there is an overweight of women in some jobs, and an overweight of men in others, this has nothing to do with equality.

When it comes to politics however, some see it as a problem that women only make up 30% of elected politicians. 

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3 hours ago, andres said:

Is your definition of "gender equality" that 50% if all taxidrivers, doctors, nurses, policemen must be women? 

Over here we say that equality means that women and men have the same possiibility to choose the carrear of their own choise. If this mean that there is an overweight of women in some jobs, and an overweight of men in others, this has nothing to do with equality.

When it comes to politics however, some see it as a problem that women only make up 30% of elected politicians. 

I agree, but society doesn't encourage women to go into politics or other male-dominated sectors. That's why some view it as a problem because we're being told that we have equal opportunities but we're still discriminated against and ridiculed if we chose to focus on more STEM related careers. The same goes for men, except they're ridiculed for choosing careers that lean more towards the arts. 

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On 4/24/2018 at 5:50 PM, andres said:

What has this to do with feminist movement? I

Feminism from a westerner Professor view 

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2 hours ago, Amira00 said:

I agree, but society doesn't encourage women to go into politics or other male-dominated sectors. That's why some view it as a problem because we're being told that we have equal opportunities but we're still discriminated against and ridiculed if we chose to focus on more STEM related careers. The same goes for men, except they're ridiculed for choosing careers that lean more towards the arts. 

Dont know where you live, but in Europe northern Europe women are generally accepted as equals and laws no longer discriminate women. That women and men tend to choose different educations is not an expression of discrimination. 

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Why are people so concerned about 'men getting feminized' as if it's destroying our planet. We need to stop creating our own complicated rules and definitions. Just let men live and don't pressure them to live up to the standards we set.

We should all direct our energy to something more useful. Women don't fear feminine men, they fear abusive men. 

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2 hours ago, andres said:

Dont know where you live, but in Europe northern Europe women are generally accepted as equals and laws no longer discriminate women.

Yes but many Swedish and Scandinavian men are avoiding their women and going to Eastern Europe or Asia to get married because of women’s attitude:

14. Swedish girls can’t handle reality. They are too sheltered within their gender neutral utopia. Any type of remark that references science or the real nature of men and women will get a negative response. What’s interesting is that I had way better conversations with Ukrainian women, who spoke bad English, than Swedish girls who spoke fluent English. Ukrainian women see the world as it is. They understand sexual economics and human attraction. They weren’t so politically correct that topics were off limits like in Sweden. It’s one of the more open countries in Scandinavia when it comes to free speech but I felt censored. Stick to travel, music, and movies, and you should be straight.

http://www.returnofkings.com/780/14-things-every-guy-should-know-about-swedish-girls

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On 4/25/2018 at 8:35 AM, andres said:

don’t know where you live, but in Europe northern Europe women are generally accepted as equals and laws no longer discriminate women. That women and men tend to choose different educations is not an expression of discrimination. 

From what studies I’ve seen Scandinavian countries are becoming more gender unequal in terms of personality and various tests:

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23 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Feminism leads to spoiled women who think they can have their cake and eat it too.

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.[1][2]This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men -Wikipedia

So how being equal with men can spoil a woman?

Are you against women having equal rights, status and respect as men in our society/world ?

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19 minutes ago, Ani said:

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.[1][2]This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men -Wikipedia

So how being equal with men can spoil a woman?

Are you against women having equal rights, status and respect as men in our society/world ?

They claim to represent those things in actuality and based on their actions they are something completely different.

Their version of equality is hating men, religion, and promoting non scientific gender identities.

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The world needs extremists to get things done.  We don't have to like the extremists.  We don't have to agree with them.  But without them, things would always stay the same, and with regard to treatment of women, most of the world is much better now than it was 100 or more years ago. 

But can someone tell me what women's rights have to do with effeminate men?  Are these girly-men wanting to be "equal" to women?  I don't understand.

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8 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Their version of equality is hating men, religion, and promoting non scientific gender identities.

Not for all of them.

Mostly in the asian countries women believe that feminism is downgrading men.

And just because of some stupid women you cannot blame a movement.At least somewhere in this world some good is happening because of this.

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