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Men in the West are becoming Feminized

Reza

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Most Men in the West in the Millennial and Z generation have never even been in a relationship with a women, this likely explains the numbers of frustrated male youth in the West many male shooters had issues with their social lives and were sexually frustrated leading them to commit mass shootings(Elliot Rodger, Omar Mateen etc.)

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Lots of more men are also getting Low levels of testosterone because of how much phytoestrogens that are in the diet. Which then is also leading to other problems. And also low levels of hormones that help men build more muscle, other than testosterone. 

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5 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Women are becoming "independent" aka materialistic and well off and the lack of religiosity and piousness leads to this:

This is a vicious cycle leading to destruction of society and single mothers and children without fathers:

How has independence suddenly become materialistic? 

Relying on one's self makes you strong. Not materialistic. When men become millionaires because they have been independent and determined from the beginning it supposedly makes them "inspirational" and "powerful". But when a woman wants to be independent and not rely on the charity of her husband then she is materialistic and power hungry. It's so hypocritical.

in fact if a woman becomes "well-off" she will truly appreciate the gifts Allah has bestowed upon her. Once again, just generalising that only the women who become well-off suddenly lose their piouty and religiousnes. Men too lose their closeness to Allah (if they had it to begin with) when they become rich. It's human nature, everyone becomes infatuated with materialistic things when they do well financially, some people succeed in dealing with it and some don't. 

But being independent does not mean you're suddenly a millionaire and lose all connection with god. I think you've mixed the idea of independance and financial success. The two do not amount to each other. One may lead to another but they are not that closely linked.

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6 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Most Men in the West in the Millennial and Z generation have never even been in a relationship with a women, this likely explains the numbers of frustrated male youth in the West many male shooters had issues with their social lives and were sexually frustrated leading them to commit mass shootings(Elliot Rodger, Omar Mateen etc.)

 

6 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Women are becoming "independent" aka materialistic and well off and the lack of religiosity and piousness leads to this:

This is a vicious cycle leading to destruction of society and single mothers and children without fathers:

Salam, 

would you mind clarifying some things? You say independent women are materialistic women who also lack faith, but encourage young men to engage in extramarital relationships? So you shame women for their independence, but encourage men to commit sins? Unless you mean to say, they should be marrying women at a young age. That would explain your frustration, considering an increasing number of young women choose to pursue a higher education and therefore opt for a later marriage. Because they are career driven and often well established in their working place, they also tend to become "pickier". She would want a man who can compete with her. So now, you're not only competing with your fellow man but the women too. Focus from a woman's beauty has also started to shift. People are now also interested in her career and education- her independence if you like. I think that is a very healthy change. 

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1 hour ago, Amira00 said:

How has independence suddenly become materialistic? 

Relying on one's self makes you strong. Not materialistic. When men become millionaires because they have been independent and determined from the beginning it supposedly makes them "inspirational" and "powerful". But when a woman wants to be independent and not rely on the charity of her husband then she is materialistic and power hungry. It's so hypocritical.

in fact if a woman becomes "well-off" she will truly appreciate the gifts Allah has bestowed upon her.

In the case of secular materialism and most women in the West don’t value relationships, men who are millionaires will marry poor women but a female doctor would never marry say a male plumber she would want someone who out earns her at least this is the case in Western culture.

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29 minutes ago, yusur317 said:

 

Salam, 

would you mind clarifying some things? You say independent women are materialistic women who also lack faith, but encourage young men to engage in extramarital relationships? So you shame women for their independence, but encourage men to commit sins? Unless you mean to say, they should be marrying women at a young age. That would explain your frustration, considering an increasing number of young women choose to pursue a higher education and therefore opt for a later marriage. Because they are career driven and often well established in their working place, they also tend to become "pickier". She would want a man who can compete with her. So now, you're not only competing with your fellow man but the women too. Focus from a woman's beauty has also started to shift. People are now also interested in her career and education- her independence if you like. I think that is a very healthy change. 

Never made any mention of extramarital relationships being right, simply pointing out the structures that were built to make access of sex whether through marriage or other means is becoming scarce leading to this crisis.

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34 minutes ago, yusur317 said:

She would want a man who can compete with her. So now, you're not only competing with your fellow man but the women too.

The major problem is less men are entering college in Western countries leading to inequal levels of education between men and women, this also leads to lower incomes among men as they are expected to take the blue collar jobs i.e. construction work etc.

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You folks are all wrong. Men are not becoming feminized en masse - they are remaining children far into their adult lives, perhaps even their whole lives. It's because our societal expectations have changed.

Except in wealthy families, girls are still expected to behave responsibly and develop their maturity - for now. Boys are being punished for acting like boys when they are young, encouraged to sit down quietly and play video games or watch TV, convinced that they are flawed or deficient, then coddled and not allowed to take responsibility for their own life choices until they are far too old to just be learning how. 

It's a problem that's been increasing for a while and it's going to be difficult to correct. 

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2 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

In the case of secular materialism and most women in the West don’t value relationships, men who are millionaires will marry poor women but a female doctor would never marry say a male plumber she would want someone who out earns her at least this is the case in Western culture.

Where is the proof for all the statements you've made? Firstly, there are people who "don't value relationships" in every group of people and in both genders. I live in the west myself, so I dont really know where you're getting all this info from. Women do want relationships but unfortunately not many men accept a driven and powerful women, and it just hurts their ego. I'm not generalising; of course there are men out there who appreciate an independent woman, but at the same time alot of them don't. That explains why a woman may not necessarily marry at such a young age. 

Secondly, I assure you, in the west especially, it has been so much more accepted for women to marry/be in relationships with younger men than themselves. Hence it is also more acceoted for a woman to marry a man who is less educated than her, and earns less money than her. In the west, of all places, women are encouraged to continue working even into motherhood, so really I dont know where you're getting all these statements from. 

However, there is nothing wrong with a woman wanting a man with a similar intellectual capacity as her. You'll find that alot of marital problems arise when two people dont understand each other because of the difference in the level of their education. Sometimes  - not in all cases - if the couple are not of the same/similar intellectual capability, then they won't get along, because they view things differently and may not necessarily get along. 

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