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More powerful: Iblees or Imams

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There are shia who readily believe that Iblees can misguide or create waswasah in multiple locations at their same time but scoff at the notion that Imam Ali (as) went from Medinah to Khyber in the blink of an eye.

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2 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

There are shia who readily believe that Iblees can misguide or create waswasah in multiple locations at their same time but scoff at the notion that Imam Ali (as) went from Medinah to Khyber in the blink of an eye.

I don't know how such shia view this verse:

قَالَ الَّذِي عِنْدَهُ عِلْمٌ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَرْتَدَّ إِلَيْكَ طَرْفُكَ ۚ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرًّا عِنْدَهُ
 One who had the knowledge of the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, (27:40)

This person is Asif bin Barqiyah, he was not a prophet but he has some knowledge from the book (ilmun minal kitab). Imam Ali (asws) on the other hand, is introduced in Quran as a person who possess the knowledge of the book (ilmul kitab), so his capabilities are far more greater... 

وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَسْتَ مُرْسَلًا ۚ قُلْ كَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَمَنْ عِنْدَهُ عِلْمُ الْكِتَابِ
And those who disbelieve say: You are not a messenger. Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. (13:43)

We also have the example of Khizr (a.s), Quran introduces him as:

فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِنْ لَدُنَّا عِلْمًا
(Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves.)

And with this, he did the hole in a boat, killed a child, repaired a wall and in last he told Musa (a.s):
رَحْمَةً مِنْ رَبِّكَ ۚ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي ۚ
(a mercy from your Lord, and I did not do it of my own accord.) 

This statement force us to view what he said earlier while describing ta'veel to Musa (a.s)

فَأَرَدْتُ أَنْ أَعِيبَهَا
( I wished that I should damage it,)

فَأَرَدْنَا أَنْ يُبْدِلَهُمَا رَبُّهُمَا
(So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place)

فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ أَنْ يَبْلُغَا أَشُدَّهُمَا
(so your Lord desired that they should attain their maturity)

I wished, we desired, your lord desired, in all the above three cases, the actor was Khizr (a.s) only. This is sufficient to understand that Allah (s.w.t) has created such personalities (Sahiban-e-Amr) who are the bearer of His Amr. They are Muhammad & Aal-e-Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon them). Khizr (a.s) was granted mercy, Muhammad (S) was sent as a mercy for the whole worlds. Chapter 76 (Sura-e-Dahar) which is revealed in the praise of Aal-e-Muhammad (asws) also mentions very important point... 

يُدْخِلُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ فِي رَحْمَتِهِ
He makes whom He pleases to enter into His mercy)

Granting mercy is something other, sending someone as mercy is something other, letting someone to enter into the divine mercy is totally different thing. And this is why Muhammad (S) and Aal-e-Muhammad only desires what Allah (s.w.t) desire..... 

وَمَا تَشَاءُونَ إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا
(And you do not please except that Allah please, surely Allah is Knowing, Wise;) (76:30)


Allahumma sallay ala Muhammad, wa Aal-e-Muhammad, wa ajjil farajahum.

 

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On 4/9/2018 at 8:27 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

The answer is straightforward for any shia. It's the hujjate Khuda who is more powerful not the enemy of Allah.

One of the Proof: Imam Zainul Abedin (a.s.) didn't lose concentration in Salaah when Shaitan rajeem came and started chewing his toe.

Can you please bring the narration. Much appreciated 

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Satan has power to misguide only those people who have relinquished their belief in one Allah (awj) and have surrendered to the temptations of Satan. Accordingly, Satan himself admits that he has no power over Allah’s (awj) sincere servants when he swears,

“I shall misguide them all except Your sincere servants.”

He said: This is a right way with Me: Surely, as regards My servants, you have no authority over them except those who follow you of the deviators.” [Holy Quran, al-Hijr;  Shakir 15:30-42]

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6 hours ago, Jin Jin said:

Satan has power to misguide only those people who have relinquished their belief in one Allah (awj) and have surrendered to the temptations of Satan. Accordingly, Satan himself admits that he has no power over Allah’s (awj) sincere servants when he swears,

“I shall misguide them all except Your sincere servants.”

He said: This is a right way with Me: Surely, as regards My servants, you have no authority over them except those who follow you of the deviators.” [Holy Quran, al-Hijr;  Shakir 15:30-42]

The issue is not Iblees misguiding. The issue is people including our own shias who consciously or sub-consciously give more power to Iblees than our Imams.

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10 hours ago, MohammadAli1993 said:

Can you please bring the narration. Much appreciated 

 

8 hours ago, Hussaini624 said:

The story of iblees and the imam (as)

Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) and Satan:

The reason for Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) being given the title of Zainul Abideen (the adornment or the pride of worshippers) was that one night, as he stood for prayers in his place of worship, Satan manifested himself in the form of a huge serpent with the intention of distracting Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) from his prayers. But when Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) took no notice of him, the Satan approached him and bit his big toe causing pain to run through him, but despite this act of his, Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) continued to remain oblivious of him and carried on with his prayers.

When, after the completion of his prayers, Imam Ali bin Hussain (as) realized that it was Satan, he cursed him saying: "O' Accursed! Go away," and once again engaged himself in worship. It was at this moment that he heard an angel call out three times: "You are the adornment or embellishment of the worshippers."

http://www.ezsoftech.com/stories/imamsajjad1.asp

You should get this incident in books like Nuqooshe Ismat and Shawahidun Nubuwwah

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On Fri Apr 13 2018 at 10:04 AM, ShiaMan14 said:

There are shia who readily believe that Iblees can misguide or create waswasah in multiple locations at their same time but scoff at the notion that Imam Ali (as) went from Medinah to Khyber in the blink of an eye.

I wonder why shias scoff at that notion???

Imam Ali (as) after every Fajar Salaat used to visit JabalQaf in less than the blink of an Eye which is actually at a distance of 5 years from Al Madinah.

FYI at JabalQaf there is a KINGDOM OF IMAM ALI (as). 

Narration by Salman al Farsi (as) [https://hubeali.com/books/English-Books/TafseerHub-e-Ali/CH18_SuraAlKahf_Verses83-110.pdf] 

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EXAMPLES OF IMAM'S  Inter Worlds Travel in less than Blink of an Eye...

 

From Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Isa, from Al-Husain bin Saeed, from Muhammad bin Abi Umair, from Abi Ayub Ibrahim bin Usman Al-Khazaz, from Aban bin Taghlub who said:

"I was in the presence of Abi Abdillah (Imam Sadiq) (as), when a man from Yemen came up to Him. 

Imam (as) said to him, "O Yemeny brother, are there scholars among you?"

He said, "Yes".

Imam (as) said, "What do your scholars achieve from their knowledge?"

He said, "He travels in one night the travel distance of two months of the flight of the bird and the effects would remain."

Abi Abdillah (as) said, "The scholar from Medina [referring to the Imam's (as)] is more knowledgeable then your scholars." 

He said, "What does the scholar of Medina achieve from his knowledge?"

Imam (as) said, " He travels in one hour of the day, the travel distance of a year’s travel of the sun, to the extent that he cuts through twelve thousand worlds the like of this world of yours whose inhabitants are not aware that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى created Adam (as) or Iblees".

He said, "They recognise You?"

Imam (as) said, "Yes. There is no obligation upon them except for Our Wilayah and the keeping away (Tabarra) from Our enemies."

[Source: Basaair Al-Darajaat, Vol. 8, Chapter. 12, Hadees. 15]

All narrators are trustworthy. Hadees is Saheeh (authentic)

There are more narrations with similar meaning (matn).

Muhammad bin Abdullah Al-Razi Al-Jaamoorani, from Ismail bin Moosa from his father, from his grandfather, from Abd Al-Samad bin Ali who said :

A man came up to Ali bin Husain (as). Ali bin Husain (as) said to him, "Who are you?".

The man said, "I am a astrologer." Imam (as) said, "So you are a fortune-teller."

Imam (as) then looked at him and then said, "Shall I show you a man who since the time you have come to us, moved through 14 worlds, with each world being 3 times bigger than this world, without having moved from his place?"

The man said, "Who is He?"

Imam (as) said, "I and if I wish, I can inform you what you ate and what you have stored in your house."

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