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Another False Flag Chemical Attack In Syria

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Salam,

What many of us have predicted and feared has come true. Weeks ago there was a plan uncovered in Syria of terrorists to use chemical weapons and blame it on Assad. Trucks smuggling these weapons were caught coming in from Turkey.  

As everyone knows Assad is winning in Syria, and the terrorists are at their last breath. I dont need to explain more...

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/08/middleeast/syria-chemical-attack-douma-intl/index.html

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-russia-will-pay-big-price-for-backing-animal-assad-11322689

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43691291

here are some zionists news links...

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Looks like there will definetely be US military action against Assad. The big question will be the scope of these attacks. Will it be just symbolic like last year, where Russia and Assad seem to have been notified in advance, or will the US risk a conflict with Russia. Interesting days ahead.

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How you have the heart to blame the Innocent of slaughtering their own people to make Assad [The Terrorist] Look bad, Is beyond me!

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17 minutes ago, Arkon said:

How you have the heart to blame the Innocent of slaughtering their own people to make Assad [The Terrorist] Look bad, Is beyond me!

Look at this map:

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

Look at Douma and then tell me if your brain finds it reasonable or even necessary for Assad government to use chemical weapons in this instance, especially given that the whole world is watching.

Nobody is defending anyone, we just want people to use their brains and think rationally, not emotionally.

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6 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Look at this map:

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

Look at Douma and then tell me if your brain finds it reasonable or even necessary for Assad government to use chemical weapons in this instance, especially given that the whole world is watching.

Nobody is defending anyone, we just want people to use their brains and think rationally, not emotionally.

Assad is already bombing the people in Ghouta like there's no tomorrow, what do you mean it's not reasonable? And nothing Bashar does is necessary!

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7 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Look at this map:

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

Look at Douma and then tell me if your brain finds it reasonable or even necessary for Assad government to use chemical weapons in this instance, especially given that the whole world is watching.

Nobody is defending anyone, we just want people to use their brains and think rationally, not emotionally.

Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. This time they made it so clear of their evilness for any people who have even atom of doubt of them.

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2 minutes ago, Arkon said:

Assad is already bombing the people in Ghouta like there's no tomorrow, what do you mean it's not reasonable? And nothing Bashar does is necessary!

They already lose and what benefit Assad gets from bombing little place with gasses?

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3 hours ago, Arkon said:

Assad is already bombing the people in Ghouta like there's no tomorrow, what do you mean it's not reasonable? And nothing Bashar does is necessary!

First of all, he is not bombing Ghouta, Ghouta was taken over by the government weeks ago.

This is about Douma, and yes it is being bombed but not with chemical weapons, and the reason its being bombed is because isis rebels refused to make a deal with the government and move north to Idlib, like the isis rebels in Ghouta did.

Its been two days that the bombings of Douma resumed after the isis rebels refused to move, as a last resort they used their own storage of chemical weapons on the civilians there and claimed it to be the act of the government, a desperate measure that they hope will make the US enter Syria with military, meanwhile the US wants to find a justification to enter Syria with all its force, which it does not have currently due to public opinion, but staging something like this could win over the mindless people who are only emotionally driven.

It is important to notice that chemical weapons were found in Ghouta after the government took it over, but of course you will not know this because your source of information is biased and because it does not fit you simple narrative of whats going on. Next question: where did the isis rebels get chemical weapons from?

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3 hours ago, Arkon said:

How you have the heart to blame the Innocent of slaughtering their own people to make Assad [The Terrorist] Look bad, Is beyond me!

No point reasoning here. Their heads are in the sand and they will blame anyone but Assad and are deluded. In fact even if they knew Assad did it, they wil support him.

It is blantantly obvious why this is and it sad that a vast section of this sect are terrorist sympathisers...

**Bahrain protest quelled (c.90 or so dead)

Shiachat:- unspeakable.. horrible crime!! Ya Fatima!

**Syrian protests quelled with massacre (death count massive)

Shiachat:- bro this is a plot by the zionists and the west.

**Yemen foreigin intervention by Saudi and airstrikes

Shiachat:- oh the inhumanity!!! These sick wahabis are dping airstrikes and intervening in foreign lands!! Ya Hussain!!

**Russian airstrikes and Iranian intervention in Syria.

Shiachat: roarr, the lions of Ali in Iran are saving us from the terrorist syrian rebels .Praise Russia!!

**Baathist tyrant in Iraq, Saddam Hussein

Shiachat: lanat on this dog!! Horrible man, ya Zainab

**Baathist tyrant in Syria, Bashar Al Assad

Shiachat: What a glorious lion! May the imams bless him...

I can keep going on but this is the pathetic nature of the people you are dealing with.

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55 minutes ago, JermainTaylor said:

No point reasoning here. Their heads are in the sand and they will blame anyone but Assad and are deluded. In fact even if they knew Assad did it, they wil support him.

It is blantantly obvious why this is and it sad that a vast section of this sect are terrorist sympathisers...

**Bahrain protest quelled (c.90 or so dead)

Shiachat:- unspeakable.. horrible crime!! Ya Fatima!

**Syrian protests quelled with massacre (death count massive)

Shiachat:- bro this is a plot by the zionists and the west.

**Yemen foreigin intervention by Saudi and airstrikes

Shiachat:- oh the inhumanity!!! These sick wahabis are dping airstrikes and intervening in foreign lands!! Ya Hussain!!

**Russian airstrikes and Iranian intervention in Syria.

Shiachat: roarr, the lions of Ali in Iran are saving us from the terrorist syrian rebels .Praise Russia!!

**Baathist tyrant in Iraq, Saddam Hussein

Shiachat: lanat on this dog!! Horrible man, ya Zainab

**Baathist tyrant in Syria, Bashar Al Assad

Shiachat: What a glorious lion! May the imams bless him...

I can keep going on but this is the pathetic nature of the people you are dealing with.

Hey the notorious anti-assadist shiachatter is back! I remember you, your the one that created this thread here http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235048401-honest-answer-regarding-the-regime/ and got destroyed, then you ran away because you couldn’t handle the truth and never came back.

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1 hour ago, Hassan- said:

Hey the notorious anti-assadist shiachatter is back! I remember you, your the one that created this thread here http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235048401-honest-answer-regarding-the-regime/ and got destroyed, then you ran away because you couldn’t handle the truth and never came back.

That is hilarious. The fact you felt I ran away and got destroyed truly makes me chuckle. I most probably gave up trying to reason with fools who shamelessly supporting a horrific tyrant because it benefitted shiite hegemony in the region. Then these same fools go berserk and emotional every year languisihing and self flagellating over an alleged tyrants actions in Kerbala.

Although coming from your ilk who claim all the irrefutable evidence against Assad, Hezbollah and Iran in Syria is a conspiracy and a lie....it doesnt surprise me if i 'ran away'to escape the blinding hypocrisy and stupidity..

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17 minutes ago, JermainTaylor said:

That is hilarious. The fact you felt I ran away and got destroyed truly makes me chuckle.

Although coming from your ilk who claim all the irrefutable evidence against Assad, Hezbollah and Iran in Syria is a conspiracy and a lie....it doesnt surprise me....

well, while your king is drinking and mingling with zionists.. all his zombies are dying in Syria, Yemen, and Iraq... How does it feel to be losing on all fronts by our ilk.

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1 minute ago, kirtc said:

well, while your king is drinking and mingling with zionists.. all his zombies are dying in Syria, Yemen, and Iraq... How does it feel to be losing on all fronts by our ilk.

Ahhh you assume I support Saudi. Unlike your ilk who are simpletons and support evil genocidal tyrants simply because it benefits your sect, I am objective. I can totally condemn Saudis actions in Yemen and dont pretend its all a conspiracy and do taqqiyah.. sorry if that hit home..

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4 minutes ago, JermainTaylor said:

Ahhh you assume I support Saudi. Unlike your ilk who are simpletons and support evil genocidal tyrants simply because it benefits your sect, I am objective. I can totally condemn Saudis actions in Yemen and dont pretend its all a conspiracy and do taqqiyah.. sorry if that hit home..

ehh, im devastated.

Politics aside,, I sense a bit of sectarianism from you. 

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I can keep going on but this is the pathetic nature of the people you are dealing with.

 

Yes, thank you for your great analysis. You could not resist, so you sarcastically brought Fatima (as), Ali (as) and the Ahlulbait (as) in the mix. Wonderful man of Justice.

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6 hours ago, shiasoldier786 said:

Looks like there will definetely be US military action against Assad. The big question will be the scope of these attacks. Will it be just symbolic like last year, where Russia and Assad seem to have been notified in advance, or will the US risk a conflict with Russia. Interesting days ahead.

Disagree. The French are preparing northern Lebanon for a landing by air and sea.

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6 hours ago, Arkon said:

How you have the heart to blame the Innocent of slaughtering their own people to make Assad [The Terrorist] Look bad, Is beyond me!

A lot of humanoids are evil and like being so. Not just the Evilgelicals. Plus the underdeveloped personalities that admire this macho image and attach themselves to it by participation or vocal support.

Think of Senator Lindsay Graham. Why he's the toughest guy in an armchair you have heard from recently.

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Maps, geography and ideological purity aside . . .

l was watching DeutscheWelle Sunday morning which was showing these video clips of the alleged chemical attack.

This white helmet picks up this dripping wet baby, arms outstretched,  from below the video frame, puts an inhaler into its mouth (l couldn't tell its mechanism but there was no pump action) and then right at the end of this clip the toddler looks at the camera with a sideways look and kinda stares.

Now, since when is "looking around" a symptom of chemical poisoning by a military poison ? ? ? 

Look up warning symptoms of chemical warfare agents.  https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-7.pdf  page 28 for a quick look. There are others.

Now, on NBC Nightly News, Sunday, 08Apr18, the nutwork showed another toddler and the inhaler was pump action, an older boy being splashed with water,  "frantic activity", one person with a dust mask, one toddler hold a breathing mask, but the most shameless was these people lying in a basement, with unprotected 'rescuers'  when one of the primary requirements for a chemical warfare agent is that is be heavier than air and will collect in low areas.

As of ~1700 EDT, the Russsian observers are denying there has been a CW attack. 

Edited by hasanhh

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Looks like the isis rebels gave in:

https://twitter.com/news_executive/status/982968276731990016?s=21

"Dozens of buses enter the Syrian city of Douma after an agreement was reached for release of all prisoners in Douma in return for evacuating all Jaish al-Islam militants to Jarablus and release of all SAA/civilian prisoners in enclave"

They will be shipped to Jarablus in north Syria were Turkey will use them against the kurds and the US.

Manbij will most likely fall, it will be interesting to see how far the US will go for their "allies", history says that they will sell out the Kurds to be killed like they have before, I wish the Kurds would have learnt by now that the US is no ally, they are slave masters.

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16 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Trump might launch some missiles at Syria now. I'll dub it 'Operation Enduring Stormy'. 

Yeah... who cares about proof nowadays? Just gain the public sentiment and do whatever the hell you want, whether its invading Iraq for nonexistent nuclear bombs or "stopping" al qaida in Afghanistan. 

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16 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Makes no sense as other have already pointed out. 

Actually I read an article earlier about this, there is some rationality to it, the militants occupying this last pocket of Eastern Ghouta Jaysh al Islam don't want to move to Idlib, because HTS (Al Qaeda basically) occupies Idlib and there is fighting between them and Jaysh al Islam. And recently, the Panther forces (Quwwat al Nimr) that were involved in the operation against Jaysh al Islam in this particular battle were losing a lot of men in this fight. The Syrian Army has suffered a lot of defections, and is pretty weak, they started off with 300,000 alawite fighters in 2011, and now have maybe about 10% of those. They were so weak, militias from Pakistan and Afghanistan had to come in and fight. The regime doesn't want to lose well trained fighters, and chemical weapons are used by desperate regimes reluctant to take casualties. The use of chemical weapons tends to intimidate a population which leads to weakening of the population's support for a group occupying an area. And I think Assad may be confident enough that the US will not launch a full-scale war, maybe a few missile attacks, and so he's probably thinking this is acceptable over losing a lot of men and suffering more casualties. 

Point is we can theorise over logic and rationale all we want, but the only thing that suffices in the real world is evidence and unbiased investigations. We have had a UN report that has blamed the Syrian government for most of the CW attacks. Whether you want to believe that report or not is another matter, but for any neutral party, if you want to convince them of something, you need to show them evidence of your convictions, and it really seems like we don't really have that evidence that the rebels did every single CW attack. I'm not saying this particular attack was done by the regime or the "rebels", but it's worth noting that when you talk to someone who doesn't have a bias in Syria, what they will demand is evidence from a neutral organisation. Anyway here is the report; http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/IICISyria/Pages/Documentation.aspx

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5 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Actually I read an article earlier about this, there is some rationality to it, the militants occupying this last pocket of Eastern Ghouta Jaysh al Islam don't want to move to Idlib, because HTS (Al Qaeda basically) occupies Idlib and there is fighting between them and Jaysh al Islam. And recently, the Panther forces (Quwwat al Nimr) that were involved in the operation against Jaysh al Islam in this particular battle were losing a lot of men in this fight. The Syrian Army has suffered a lot of defections, and is pretty weak, they started off with 300,000 alawite fighters in 2011, and now have maybe about 10% of those. They were so weak, militias from Pakistan and Afghanistan had to come in and fight. The regime doesn't want to lose well trained fighters, and chemical weapons are used by desperate regimes reluctant to take casualties. The use of chemical weapons tends to intimidate a population which leads to weakening of the population's support for a group occupying an area. And I think Assad may be confident enough that the US will not launch a full-scale war, maybe a few missile attacks, and so he's probably thinking this is acceptable over losing a lot of men and suffering more casualties. 

Point is we can theorise over logic and rationale all we want, but the only thing that suffices in the real world is evidence and unbiased investigations. We have had a UN report that has blamed the Syrian government for most of the CW attacks. Whether you want to believe that report or not is another matter, but for any neutral party, if you want to convince them of something, you need to show them evidence of your convictions, and it really seems like we don't really have that evidence that the rebels did every single CW attack. I'm not saying this particular attack was done by the regime or the "rebels", but it's worth noting that when you talk to someone who doesn't have a bias in Syria, what they will demand is evidence from a neutral organisation. Anyway here is the report; http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/IICISyria/Pages/Documentation.aspx

the UN is not neutral.

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15 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Actually I read an article earlier about this, there is some rationality to it, the militants occupying this last pocket of Eastern Ghouta Jaysh al Islam don't want to move to Idlib, because HTS (Al Qaeda basically) occupies Idlib and there is fighting between them and Jaysh al Islam. And recently, the Panther forces (Quwwat al Nimr) that were involved in the operation against Jaysh al Islam in this particular battle were losing a lot of men in this fight. The Syrian Army has suffered a lot of defections, and is pretty weak, they started off with 300,000 alawite fighters in 2011, and now have maybe about 10% of those. They were so weak, militias from Pakistan and Afghanistan had to come in and fight. The regime doesn't want to lose well trained fighters, and chemical weapons are used by desperate regimes reluctant to take casualties. The use of chemical weapons tends to intimidate a population which leads to weakening of the population's support for a group occupying an area. And I think Assad may be confident enough that the US will not launch a full-scale war, maybe a few missile attacks, and so he's probably thinking this is acceptable over losing a lot of men and suffering more casualties. 

Point is we can theorise over logic and rationale all we want, but the only thing that suffices in the real world is evidence and unbiased investigations. We have had a UN report that has blamed the Syrian government for most of the CW attacks. Whether you want to believe that report or not is another matter, but for any neutral party, if you want to convince them of something, you need to show them evidence of your convictions, and it really seems like we don't really have that evidence that the rebels did every single CW attack. I'm not saying this particular attack was done by the regime or the "rebels", but it's worth noting that when you talk to someone who doesn't have a bias in Syria, what they will demand is evidence from a neutral organisation. Anyway here is the report; http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/IICISyria/Pages/Documentation.aspx

It would be nicer if you spread your post a bit more so its easier to read.

Listen, look at the Syria live map, Douma is surrounded by the government forces. They do not need to use CW, they have normal bombs too did you know? Is there a lack of bombs as well?

There is absolutely no rational justification for the use of CW at this point, especially not in Douma, especially not given the international observation of the conflict.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

In a world where everyone is saying what they wish was true instead of what is actually true, analyze the reality yourself and use your own brain to draw conclusions.

Edited by IbnSina

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7 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

So what is? If the Syrian government did these attacks what would make you believe it? 

if Sayyed Khamanei or Sayyed Hassan told me, then I would believe it. only people I trust.

But like I said... we were warned of this before and it happened. It isnt a surprise.. This is plan b for the zionists.. I dont trust the UN at all.. just recently the secretary general of the UN called on lebanese politicians to confront hizbullah.. that isnt neutral

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http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2018/Mar-17/441903-un-chief-demands-end-to-lebanese-meddling-in-syria.ashx

read the quote below @Mohamed1993 notice he doesnt say that the saudis or americans should stop arming the terrorists.. or he doesnt even condemn  the terrorists at all. 

“The presence of unauthorized weapons in the hands of Hezbollah remains of serious concern and warrants condemnation,” the secretary-general said in a quarterly report distributed to Security Council members ahead of a debate set for Tuesday.

On Syria, Guterres said, “no progress was achieved with respect to the disarmament of armed groups.”

“The maintenance of arms outside the control of the state by Hezbollah and other groups continues to restrict the ability of the government of Lebanon to exercise full sovereignty and authority over its territory,” he added.

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This is (official?) from US Dept of State : https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/04/280313.htm (I do not know if it is true or false/fake). If state gave a wrong statement what do you call them ?

On the Chemical Attack in Douma

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Press Statement
Heather Nauert
Department Spokesperson
Washington, DC
April 7, 2018

 

We continue to closely follow disturbing reports on April 7 regarding another alleged chemical weapons attack, this time targeting a hospital in Douma, Syria. Reports from a number of contacts and medical personnel on the ground indicate a potentially high number of casualties, including among families hiding in shelters. These reports, if confirmed, are horrifying and demand an immediate response by the international community.

The United States continues to use all efforts available to hold those who use chemical weapons, in Syria and otherwise, accountable. The regime’s history of using chemical weapons against its own people is not in dispute, and in fact nearly one year ago on April 4, 2017, Assad’s forces conducted a sarin gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun, which killed approximately 100 Syrians.

The Assad regime and its backers must be held accountable and any further attacks prevented immediately. Russia, with its unwavering support for the regime, ultimately bears responsibility for these brutal attacks, targeting of countless civilians, and the suffocation of Syria’s most vulnerable communities with chemical weapons. By shielding its ally Syria, Russia has breached its commitments to the United Nations as a framework guarantor. It has betrayed the Chemical Weapons Convention and UN Security Council Resolution 2118. Russia’s protection of the Assad regime and failure to stop the use of chemical weapons in Syria calls into question its commitment to resolving the overall crisis and to larger non-proliferation priorities.

The United States calls on Russia to end this unmitigated support immediately and work with the international community to prevent further, barbaric chemical weapons attacks.

 

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http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/08/557868/Tensions-mount-amid-Syria-chemical-attack

Russia ‘ultimately’ to blame for Syria attack, US says, calling for emergency UNSC meeting

Sun Apr 8, 2018 08:29PM
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Security cameras and the Russian flag are pictured outside the residence of the consulate general of Russia at the historic Samuel Hyde House in Seattle, Washington, on April 2, 2018. (Photo by AFP)

Security cameras and the Russian flag are pictured outside the residence of the consulate general of Russia at the historic Samuel Hyde House in Seattle, Washington, on April 2, 2018. (Photo by AFP)

Tensions are escalating between the US and Russia as Washington says Moscow “ultimately bears responsibility for these brutal attacks,” in reference to a reported chemical attack the US blames on the Syrian government.

“These reports, if confirmed, are horrifying and demand an immediate response by the international community,” US State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said in a statement on Sunday. “The United States continues to use all efforts available to hold those who use chemical weapons, in Syria and otherwise, accountable… The Assad regime and its backers must be held accountable and any further attacks prevented immediately.”

Russia has dismissed as “bogus” reports of the chemical gas attack in Eastern Ghouta, while Damascus maintains that it has not launched any chemical attacks.

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Nauert further called on the Kremlin to stop supporting the Syrian government.

“The United States calls on Russia to end this unmitigated support immediately and work with the international community to prevent further, barbaric chemical weapons attacks,” she said.

Earlier in the day, US President Donald Trump said his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin is to blame along with Iran.

Iran has strongly condemned the use of chemical weapons by any country in any part of the world, saying claims about a chemical attack by the Syrian government in Eastern Ghouta are "conspiratorial and illogical."

Trump, military advisors clashing over Syria

The US, meanwhile, is suggesting that all options are on the table as White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert said nothing should be taken "off the table.”

The report came not long after Trump called for withdrawal of US troops from war-ravaged Syria.

Trump has reportedly been butting heads with his military advisers who disagree with immediate withdrawal.

A similar debate over Afghanistan finally ended with Trump acquiescing to indefinite presence of US military forces there.

UNSC emergency meeting

The British mission to the United Nations has said in a tweet that the issue is being taken to the UN Security Council.

“UK, France, US, Poland, Netherlands, Sweden, Kuwait, Peru and Cote d’Ivore have called an emergency meeting of #UNSC to discuss reports of chemical weapons attack in #Syria. Meeting expected on Monday,” it said.

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