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Salam,

I know that the headscarf and (female) hijab in general is important in terms of maintaining that boundary and keeping us out of otherwise compromising situations. But as we all know, Seyeda Zainab and Lady Fatima-Al-Zahra had perfect hijab which consisted of covering up completely, wearing abayahs etc. For me, and many other hijabi women, covering up to that extent is very very hard and impractical in our day-to-day lives especially if you use public transport regularly and spend a lot of time out-and- about. I try to have good hijab both in terms of clothing and the way I carry myself, but I still think that my hijab is not good enough. Don't get me wrong, I dress modestly, and don't wear figure hugging clothing but no matter what, my hijab is nothing in comparison to that of ahl-al-bayt. Is hijab such an important factor in Islam that if I don't have perfect hijab (i.e similar to ahl-al-bayt hijab) I'll be punished? 

Also, for those who may not dress as modestly but carry themselves with respect and dignity, does that also mean their Iman and practice of Islam is useless? Or does that reduce the credibility of their devotion to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى in any way? 

Thanks in advance 

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I think social hijab is much more important than how much clothes you wear. Social hijab is definitely harder, and many women fail at that. I have a problem with maintaining serious and expressionless face. If several men are staring at my face, after few hours of dealing with that, I get uncomfortable and I get a weird smile which sends all kinds of wrong signals. But I try my best. I have seen hijabis having affairs with not one but 10 or 15 affairs with married men and it's considered acceptable. This observation has made me more relaxed about my hijab and now I don't even feel guilty about sending wrong signals to anyone. Also, if you think that you can follow perfect hijab by sitting at home and not going outside, you are wrong. Worst harassment occurs behind closed doors. Some people think that only men outside of family are non-mehram while all the males in the family are mehram. This is wrong, except for few relations, all men are non-mehram. 

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I agree with everything you guys said. What I meant is for the women who wear this moderate hijab- i.e headscarf, knee-length tops and trousers/jeans- are we punished or considered to be sinning in the eyes of Allah because we're not wearing the perfect hijab of ahl-al-bayt? 

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On 4/7/2018 at 4:41 AM, Amira00 said:

I agree with everything you guys said. What I meant is for the women who wear this moderate hijab- i.e headscarf, knee-length tops and trousers/jeans- are we punished or considered to be sinning in the eyes of Allah because we're not wearing the perfect hijab of ahl-al-bayt? 

Salam ,it depends on you society that it must not be cloth of fame in your society beside modesty.

Clothing fame is a dress that is not suitable for wearing it for a person because of the color or quality of sewing or mending it and other reasons, as if it puts it against the people, it attracts their attention and becomes pointing by fingers.

Question: Is it permissible for women to wear tight clothing that shows their body bumps or wearing barefoot clothes in weddings and the like?
C: If it is safe and protected from the eyes of the obedient men and the guiltite sequence, it is not a problem; otherwise it is not permissible.

Question: Is it allowed to wear a shiny black shoe?
A: There is no problem unless its color and form draw attention to the non-charter or its engagement.

https://article.tebyan.net/274564/معیار-لباس-شهرت-چیست-

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Salaam Alaykum

There are a set of rules which are Wajib. As long as you follow them, you'll be fine. I realized that Hijab rulings are a bit changing especially in west. Hijab means that hair is covered completely, the volume of the body is not visible, and a Muslim woman doesn't wear colorful clothes. I see that some women say that they follow all Hijab rulings, but their clothes are a bit tight, red colored, etc. It is not following. It's partially following. Covering whole body including face may not be possible for some women, but all should follow Wajib.

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On 4/7/2018 at 2:02 AM, Hameedeh said:

Keep the ethnic clothing for your trips back home.

Really? Do you think Sayeda Fatima would like to read this comment? If she was living in the west right now, do you actually think she would compromise her beliefs and her father's Islamic traditions because of being scared of being a "threat"? Do you think she would wear such clothes that we could say someone is wearing the hijab better than her? Then why are you saying such discouraging words, sister?

If nuns can wear their hijab the way they want, without caring about what other people think, then why can we not?

We live in a society that encourages people to be who they want to be, and to dress however they want to dress. So if you actually want to 'follow' this society, then wearing the abaya is the ultimate statement that reflects self-confidence and independence. 

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7 hours ago, zionismdestroyer said:

i think Hijab has become fashion not only in west but in Muslim countries also its only hair covering rest is revealing :cry:

To be honest, unless you're a girl living in the west you'll never understand the struggle. I think instead of judging girls for what they're not doingits important to acknowledge what they are doing. That is the only constructive way forward.

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Sister, if you have a strong personality and high self esteem there is no struggle.  The struggle is when you think low of yourself, or self conscious of how you look like or what others will think of you.

Millions of Muslim girls don the hijab in the west.  Carry yourself in a respectable confident way and Allah will protect you and He is who gives you honor and dignity.  

God protect you from all harmful people.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

 

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On 5/6/2018 at 8:23 PM, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

Salaam Alaykum

There are a set of rules which are Wajib. As long as you follow them, you'll be fine. I realized that Hijab rulings are a bit changing especially in west. Hijab means that hair is covered completely, the volume of the body is not visible, and a Muslim woman doesn't wear colorful clothes. I see that some women say that they follow all Hijab rulings, but their clothes are a bit tight, red colored, etc. It is not following. It's partially following. Covering whole body including face may not be possible for some women, but all should follow Wajib.

A woman can wear any color of clothes. As long as she’s covered.

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I wear loose clothing, hijab with hands, face and feet showing (I don’t really know if covering feet is wajib). My clothes tend to be a little colorful but not too flashy. A bit of makeup is a must though I know it’s against the rules...as for social hijab, I try my level best to limit conversations with non-mahram at work but it can be challenging at times when you spend most of the day in the office. 

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Internet has the answer to everything. I found some tips on how to keep a straight face, I will try them next time I start smiling. I cannot believe I spent 4 years struggling with this problem before looking for a solution. 

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1 hour ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

A woman can wear any color of clothes. As long as she’s covered.

When I used the word "colored", I meant a color that attracts attention of nonmahram. Normal colors are not considered to be eye catching. You can see some women in society who wear whole red clothes, or some sort of color combination that gets attention of men. This is Haram.

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3 hours ago, AmirAlmuminin Lover said:

When I used the word "colored", I meant a color that attracts attention of nonmahram. Normal colors are not considered to be eye catching. You can see some women in society who wear whole red clothes, or some sort of color combination that gets attention of men. This is Haram.

It is not haram. What matters is the intention. Not the color. There is a fatwa from Sistani who was asked about wearing an attractive shoe, (if I find it, I’ll paste it.) and he said there was no issue in doing so unless it was intended to attract men.

Do not mix culture with religion. People in Iran are uncultured and are starved from male attention so they wear high heels in the streets and clown makeup. People in Western societies do not dress generally to attract the opposite sex in public places (unless it’s a bar or club) in terms of color scheme. They are more likely to pick colors for outfits based on what looks good together. 

In fact, in Western societies, even if people wore red, they dress and present themselves as bit dumpy and unkempt. Take a look at any college campus and you got messy buns and people walking around in their pajamas. 

Edited by Islandsandmirrors

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On 4/7/2018 at 3:56 AM, Amira00 said:

Is hijab such an important factor in Islam that if I don't have perfect hijab (i.e similar to ahl-al-bayt hijab) I'll be punished? 

This is all going back to your perception of what you believe the hijab of Lady Zahra or Zainab was like. You haven't clarified for us what this perception is because I have a feeling it's based off of things you've heard on the pulpit where they make it sound like these ladies were always covered in black with faces hidden and were living under house arrest in the inner most section of their homes.

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4 hours ago, Ibn al-Hussain said:

This is all going back to your perception of what you believe the hijab of Lady Zahra or Zainab was like. You haven't clarified for us what this perception is because I have a feeling it's based off of things you've heard on the pulpit where they make it sound like these ladies were always covered in black with faces hidden and were living under house arrest in the inner most section of their homes.

You're right, the stuff I've heard on the hijab of ahl al bayt is all from the pulpit. But is it not true? Even the illustrations and hadiths ive heard all explain how the women were covered from head to toe, wearing those black abayahs (the ones you wear on the head) and their faces were covered. Ive also heard (I don't know if it's a Hadith or something else) that Imam Ali would blow out all the candles when Fatima Al zahra would pass by so the men on the street wouldn't even see her shadow. 

Is this all not right? 

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17 hours ago, Amira00 said:

To be honest, unless you're a girl living in the west you'll never understand the struggle. I think instead of judging girls for what they're not doingits important to acknowledge what they are doing. That is the only constructive way forward.

why are you asking then do whatever you want to do living in west does not change the rule of Shariah

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@Islandsandmirrors

I genuinely cannot fathom that you believe what you've posted, the western population is sub-consciously and consciously smarter than any eastern minded person, in the sense of attracting opposites. 

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5 hours ago, حسين said:

@Islandsandmirrors

I genuinely cannot fathom that you believe what you've posted, the western population is sub-consciously and consciously smarter than any eastern minded person, in the sense of attracting opposites. 

I guess you’ve never been to a college campus where most people look like they have literally rolled out of their beds. 

The general public is not “subconsciously smarter” at attracting opposites. Television and media does not represent the majority. Forget that western women don’t cover up sometimes.

Generally speaking, Eeastern European women are more likely to attract men on a calculated, subconscious level based on how they present themselves than American women. They all walk everywhere in high heels and flowing long hair and look like they spent two hours to get ready. There are tons of Eastern Europeans in my city. 

Whereas the typical look of an American women is shorter hair, tattoos, and baggy sweaters with hair tied back. They don’t care about attracting the opposite sex. They don’t actively put in the effort that middle easterners or Eastern Europeaners do. Especially with Feminism being all the rage. 

As for Persians, it’s seems like you haven’t been to Iran where skinny mantos and high heels and big hair/buns under their “hijabs” rule supreme. Persians definitely put more effort into their appearances. They are all about looking absolutely perfect even if it’s a trip to the local supermarket. 

@Laayla: I believe you live in Lebanon, so you have little idea of what the West is generally like. Whereas, I’m the one who has lived here my entire life. When I say people present themselves in a dumpy and unkempt manner, I know what I’m talking about. 

 

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Oh Sister, this is not about scoring points, if it is then let me dismiss myself from this game.  I'm not about to give personal details of my past to prove anything.

This is about how to maintain hijab within the laws of j3fari fiqh.  If you want to follow this line, Alhamd'Allah and if not so be it.  I'm not accountable for your choices in this life. 

You hurt the Imam of your Time, especially as a shia, when you are publicly and knowingly sinning, compared to an ignorant and unknowingly person who happens to be Muslim.  You have a huge responsibility on your shoulders.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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7 hours ago, zionismdestroyer said:

why are you asking then do whatever you want to do living in west does not change the rule of Shariah

I asked because I care about my religion and was interested in islam's view of modern, modest and practical hijab. While I respect your opinion, I wasn't asking for it, I was asking for religious backing. 

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20 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

Do not mix culture with religion. People in Iran are uncultured and are starved from male attention so they wear high heels in the streets and clown makeup. People in Western societies do not dress generally to attract the opposite sex in public places (unless it’s a bar or club) in terms of color scheme. They are more likely to pick colors for outfits based on what looks good together.  

This is a fact and a half. The majority of iranian teenagers are the most sexually aroused hungry people its disgusting. When I stumbled upon a Persian unappropiate picture, the comments on that was just mad, like how desperate the teenagers are is insane, but when you compare that to a western istaghfurallah picture the comments are so much less sexually aroused and desperate. I live in the west and after a few years I decided to meet up with some of my mates that live in Iran, after years. And as far as I knew they were so religious. After Maghrib and Isha prayers they were lets go out and have "fun", I didnt know what that was, I though it was some park activity. Turned it was riding on motorbikes and finding the most attractive women. In my head I was so confused. I was like these people are the first people in Masjid, Do ashura very precisely and many more stuff.... And not brag how religious I am but not once did I even turn my head towards the girls because there "attractive woman" was normal women here in the west and was not special for me at all as I am used to bringing my look down. So honestly @Islandsandmirrors is very correct about the culture of the place.

And if you wanted to ask me I met them after years and I know how to pick mates correctly and these lot was religious. Iran is honestly just...... 

We just have to pray for saheb al zaman to arrive quicker and fix up this disgusting world. Illahyamin

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2 hours ago, Laayla said:

You hurt the Imam of your Time, especially as a shia, when you are publicly and knowingly sinning, compared to an ignorant and unknowingly person who happens to be Muslim.  You have a huge responsibility on your shoulders.

Firstly, where did I mention publicly sinning? I’m just stating the facts using my knowledge of the West (that women dress like a mess and unkemptly in public and gave a few examples between the differences in culture.) whereas you are using emotional guilt-trips and manipulation tactics instead of refuting my points constructively.

Secondly, how did I “hurt the Imam (AS) of my time” by mentioning that women in the West do not care about attracting men? Did you personally talk to our Imam? I’m explaining the facts, I’m not saying that how they dress is okay or Islamically moral. I’m saying that they are not what you think they are to be.

Thirdly, it is you who projecting your negativity and ignorance onto Western culture. Movies does not equate to living there. I was just explaining that Western people, more specifically, American women, do not care about looking attractive FOR men as Persian women are obsessed with doing. Last time I checked, Persian women are the ones getting cheek argumentation, breast implants, and, of course, nose jobs. They pile on thirty pounds of foundation and eyeliner and wear fake eye-lashes. To go out to a supermarket. Did I ever mention that I do those things? 

Whereas Western women apply minimal makeup, and usually end-up cutting their hair short, and don’t mess with their faces on endless cosmetic procedures. Persian women aspire to look like the kardashians as opposed to non-LA American women. 

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Salam everyone, new shiachat member! Made an account to specifically address views on hijab. As a university student in the west, the concept of hijab is not--and I repeat not-- only covering the hair. Nowadays hair covering is becoming a fashion if you look at fashion mags. To describe the concept of hijab in the most simplest ways (and not repeat what other members have already said) if your intention is to attract the opposite gender in any way or form then you are not practicing hijab. If you sport certain fashions to attract opposite gender, you are not practicing hijab. It is quite simple really. No need to overcomplicate things and Allah swt knows best your behaviors and actions. 

Wassalam 

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49 minutes ago, حسين said:

@Islandsandmirrors

 

Additionally, I do agree Eastern women may dress better, but that's because in Islam, it's haram to dress like an animal. They may be wearing the tightest of jeans where they may as well not be wearing anything but that's just those who are misinformed of the religion. The rest dress to "impress" as you might say, is because they probably do not go out much, and if they're going to the supermarket, they don't want anyone to see them in their pyjamas, like a homeless person would go around walking in to town.

So according to you, everyone who doesn't dress fancy every time they go out, that person is dressing like an animal, dressing like a homeless person, or dresses like a lesbian? There is a middle between dressing like a homeless or dressing fancy everytime you go out to attract attention from na-mehrams. Spoiled, arrogant, narcissistic and people who have a lot of free time on their hands and no responsibilities are the people who take hours to get ready even if they have to go for grocery shopping. And what are your views about the women living in the Holy cities of Iran and Iraq? They don't put any effort, just wear a black chador every time they want to go out. They don't even bother to buy different color chadors. Every single woman wears black chador like it's  a uniform. What's your views about them? Who knows is they buy a new chador every day or wear the same chador for months and years. In your view, do they dress like a homeless person, an animal or a lesbian? This is the great problem with eastern people. Every time they go out of the house, they dress to impress and it's all lies that they dress like that only for themselves, or Islam wants us to look presentable. 

There's a big difference between looking presentable and looking like a celebrity. Even women in work places, they look presentable and professional, still they don't dress like eastern women. If someone is not trying to impress the opposite gender, then that person must be gay/ lesbian, right? Because there is no thing called modesty in eastern culture. Every modest person is labeled as homosexual/ transgender in eastern culture. This is from personal experience. I cannot tell you how many eastern people have called me homosexual/ transgender, when I have never given any indication like that. I cannot even think about committing such a  sin, still people constantly try to prove that I am homosexual, just because I reject their advances, or perhaps I remind them how promiscuous they are. 

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40 minutes ago, حسين said:

@rkazmi33 

This is why I dislike debating online, because when someone takes something out of context, you've now got your self a raging, emotional woman or child. 

We're speaking about western world, and of course women who actually follow the Deen right down to smallest saying. They might not spend more than 5 minutes getting ready.

I suggest you go drink some koolaide and calm down, because you're raging for no absolute reason.

While im just observing the debate and dont have strong feelings either direction worth sharing, what you did was not debating, it was spewing arrogant, judgemental opinions as of they were fact. If you want to debate, maybe start with looking up dialectics, and it'll give you a process that yields better results.

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On 5/8/2018 at 6:29 AM, ZahiK said:

Really? Do you think Sayeda Fatima would like to read this comment? If she was living in the west right now, do you actually think she would compromise her beliefs and her father's Islamic traditions because of being scared of being a "threat"? 

Lady Fatima AS would not be living in the West, so your question is rhetorical. :muslima:

On 5/8/2018 at 6:29 AM, ZahiK said:

Do you think she would wear such clothes that we could say someone is wearing the hijab better than her?

Of course not. Fatima Zahra AS wore the ultimate in hijab.:love:

On 5/8/2018 at 6:29 AM, ZahiK said:

Then why are you saying such discouraging words, sister?

My words were not discouraging but only my opinion. Everyone wrote their own opinion in this thread. There are several topics at ShiaChat from sisters who say they hate hijab and don't want to wear it. I want sisters to know that they don't have to wear an abaya or a chador if they are not Arab or Iranian, and don't live in an Islamic country. Our Ulema say that hijab is a personal choice and as long as it covers you completely and there is nothing immodest about it, you can wear what you have. Where I live, in the US, Islamophobia is very high and an abaya (or chador) is controversial clothing, because you will be perceived as an immigrant (a foreigner) and hate groups might choose you as an easy target, especially if you are walking alone. A chador can be gathered up into your arms as you run away from an attacker, but an abaya would just be very difficult to run in. I do not own high heels. 

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17 minutes ago, Hmzh said:

While im just observing the debate and dont have strong feelings either direction worth sharing, what you did was not debating, it was spewing arrogant, judgemental opinions as of they were fact. If you want to debate, maybe start with looking up dialectics, and it'll give you a process that yields better results.

Felt like it was becoming a debate, also. If you're going to attempt at being a white knight, at least don't be hypocritical towards one member in the 'argument' or 'debate.'She was being just as arrogant and judgemental whilst she also threw out arrogant opinions without any facts. Why is it you're defending one and stepping in? So I played the argument the way she began it. It was wrong of me to even begin. 

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6 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

Firstly, where did I mention publicly sinning? I’m just stating the facts using my knowledge of the West (that women dress like a mess and unkemptly in public and gave a few examples between the differences in culture.) whereas you are using emotional guilt-trips and manipulation tactics instead of refuting my points constructively.

Secondly, how did I “hurt the Imam (AS) of my time” by mentioning that women in the West do not care about attracting men? Did you personally talk to our Imam? I’m explaining the facts, I’m not saying that how they dress is okay or Islamically moral. I’m saying that they are not what you think they are to be.

Thirdly, it is you who projecting your negativity and ignorance onto Western culture. Movies does not equate to living there. I was just explaining that Western people, more specifically, American women, do not care about looking attractive FOR men as Persian women are obsessed with doing. Last time I checked, Persian women are the ones getting cheek argumentation, breast implants, and, of course, nose jobs. They pile on thirty pounds of foundation and eyeliner and wear fake eye-lashes. To go out to a supermarket. Did I ever mention that I do those things? 

Whereas Western women apply minimal makeup, and usually end-up cutting their hair short, and don’t mess with their faces on endless cosmetic procedures. Persian women aspire to look like the kardashians as opposed to non-LA American women. 

  So True  I highly feel sad when people who have no real face to face experience of knowing western women culture talk such bad about them. @Islandsandmirrors

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