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POSTED ON THE REQUEST/BEHALF OF MY FRIEND: I watch a lot of online majlises. My friend noted that Nakshwani seems to have had an entire image makeover (eye brow shaping, hair implants etc.) and for a long time now he has started to wear really tight, almost figure hugging clothes. My friend noted that if a female maulani was to dress in a similar way she would be severely condemned. Opinions?

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4 hours ago, Aflower said:

I watch a lot of online majlises. My friend noted that Nakshwani seems to have had an entire image makeover (eye brow shaping, hair implants etc.) and for a long time now he has started to wear really tight, almost figure hugging clothes. My friend noted that if a female maulani was to dress in a similar way she would be severely condemned. Opinions?

As with most preachers, we should hear their message rather than critique their appearance.

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20 minutes ago, Aflower said:

My friend noted that Nakshwani seems to have had an entire image makeover

Your friend observes him really closely. Why doesn't she just listen more and watch less. I am not supporting any scholar...no sorry,human(male or female) wearing form fitting clothes but in the end it none of our business really. 

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15 minutes ago, Nitidum said:

Your friend observes him really closely. Why doesn't she just listen more and watch less. I am not supporting any scholar...no sorry,human(male or female) wearing form fitting clothes but in the end it none of our business really. 

@Nitidum  Her husband told her that if she was so offended she should listen to the audio version. :hahaha:

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25 minutes ago, Nitidum said:

Your friend observes him really closely. Why doesn't she just listen more and watch less. I am not supporting any scholar...no sorry,human(male or female) wearing form fitting clothes but in the end it none of our business really. 

@Nitidum Out of curiousity, would you say the same if a maulani/ female scholar was to preach in a catsuit? 

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40 minutes ago, Aflower said:

@Nitidum Out of curiousity, would you say the same if a maulani/ female scholar was to preach in a catsuit? 

Yes! and if it really bothered me that much I would stop listening to her, that's all.

50 minutes ago, Aflower said:

@Nitidum  Her husband told her that if she was so offended she should listen to the audio version. :hahaha:

I would too if my wife was commenting on other men's eye brows. 

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2 hours ago, Aflower said:

@ShiaMan14

What about leading by example? Practice what you preach? A lot of the youth watch his majlises and are highly impressionable at that age.

Hmmm, I think he is leading by example. Good appearance and positive messaging.

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The sayed makes some very good points and his method of speech is very appealing to the youth. Let's try to not talk about his outer appearance/his way of dressing, since this is ghiba (backbiting) which is a major sin in Islam.

I'd ignore it and just listen to his points. Personally, I have benefited a ton from him.

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I think the men have double standards here. One rule for the women and another for the men.

Look, personally I think on the flip side, the benefit is that the youth can relate to him because he comes across as quite relevant. He makes reference to hollywood movies, sports, popular celebrities. All good points. I personally really like Nakshwani's majlises because I can relate to what he is saying.

You need to understand that women have a discerning eye. We pay more attention to clothes, makeup, grooming, jewellery etc. Hence, we are naturally more susceptible to spotting even the most subtle of changes in appearance. There is no denying that he has had a makeover of sorts. Again, so far as I'm concerned all good stuff because he is setting a positive example to the men in the community who often become lackadaisical after marriage so far as their well being and presentation is concerned.

I don't think there is anything the wrong with his clothes as they stand. As long as he is comfortable that is the key thing. But, everyone has their own opinion. My friend simply pointed out the obvious and she is entitled to her opinion.

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8 minutes ago, Hussaini624 said:

Let's try to not talk about his outer appearance/his way of dressing, since this is ghiba (backbiting) which is a major sin in Islam.

Salam but his outer appearance cause distraction , I prefer his Audios

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1 minute ago, Aflower said:

There is no denying that he has had a makeover of sorts. Again, so far as I'm concerned all good stuff because he is setting a positive example to the men in the community who often become lackadaisical after marriage so far as their well being and presentation is concerned.

I don't think there is anything the wrong with his clothes. As long as he is comfortable that is the key thing. But, everyone has their own opinion. 

Salam his dress code ruins affection of his speeches ,when for 1 hour I just see him with odd outer, I cant concentrate on his speech from middle of it,this is also for non shias specially  anti shias causes just joking about him and they dont listen to his lectures carefully.

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36 minutes ago, Hussaini624 said:

The sayed makes some very good points and his method of speech is very appealing to the youth. Let's try to not talk about his outer appearance/his way of dressing, since this is ghiba (backbiting) which is a major sin in Islam.

I'd ignore it and just listen to his points. Personally, I have benefited a ton from him.

@Hussaini624 I think our messages crossed. I just saw yr message after I posted mine. I think we are both in agreement here with regards to the fact that his lectures have excellent content. There is no denying that. Alongside religion, he references theology, philosophy, human psychology, geography etc. and no doubt that takes a lot of research and hard work. Kudos to him for that. 

This topic is not about running Nakshwani down and hence it is most definitely not gheebat. We are discussing what is appropriate clothes for a man; especially one who sits on a pulpit and is in a position of influence. I am a Syed myself (I note you refer to him as Sayed) and I would not bring down a fellow brother who is doing so much good. 

I personally have no issues with his clothes as they are, but any tighter and he will quite literally be bursting out of them. I am sure that IN REALITY the men would not feel comfortable seeing a woman wearing skin tight clothes on the pulpit/whilst lecturing about Islam either and the same applies vice versa. 

FOR THE RECORD this post IS NOT ABOUT GHEEBAT but about 2 things:

1) Should religious scholars lead by example - especially when they are in a place of influence such as on the media.? What they do in their down time/personal time is of course their choice.

2) There are so many rulings about women dressing modestly; does the same not apply to men?

 

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2 hours ago, Aflower said:

@Hussaini624 I think our messages crossed. I just saw yr message after I posted mine. I think we are both in agreement here with regards to the fact that his lectures have excellent content. There is no denying that. Alongside religion, he references theology, philosophy, human psychology, geography etc. and no doubt that takes a lot of research and hard work. Kudos to him for that. 

This topic is not about running Nakshwani down and hence it is most definitely not gheebat. We are discussing what is appropriate clothes for a man; especially one who sits on a pulpit and is in a position of influence. I am a Syed myself (I note you refer to him as Sayed) and I would not bring down a fellow brother who is doing so much good. 

I personally have no issues with his clothes as they are, but any tighter and he will quite literally be bursting out of them. I am sure that IN REALITY the men would not feel comfortable seeing a woman wearing skin tight clothes on the pulpit/whilst lecturing about Islam either and the same applies vice versa. 

FOR THE RECORD this post IS NOT ABOUT GHEEBAT but about 2 things:

1) Should religious scholars lead by example - especially when they are in a place of influence such as on the media.? What they do in their down time/personal time is of course their choice.

2) There are so many rulings about women dressing modestly; does the same not apply to men?

 

I see, good points.

Our role models should be in attire that makes us look up to them, otherwise we'd think they are hypocritical. My impression did change on Sayed Ammar a little when he began wearing more western-style clothing, but I try to ignore it. InshaAllah we are all guided.

I wanted to share a story about the imam, and how he (may Allah's blessings be upon him) chose to dress in public.

"One day our 1st Imam, Imam Ali (as) went to the market with his slave, Qambar. In those days he used to live in Kufa. He was the Caliph of all the Muslims, but even so, he lived a simple life. At the market, he asked a shopkeeper, "Is it possible to buy two shirts for 5 Dirhams?" The man said, "Yes, I have a very nice shirt for 3 Dirhams and a cheaper one for 2 Dirhams." The Imam (A) bought the two shirts. He told Qambar to have the better shirt while he kept the simpler one for himself. Qambar was surprised and said to the Imam (A) that it would be better if he wore the nicer shirt as he was the leader of the Muslims, while Qambar himself was only a servant.
The Imam (as) reminded him that the Prophet (s) had always said that slaves should be given the same food and clothes as the master himself. Then, the Imam (as) said that Qambar should wear the nicer shirt because he was younger and so it would suit him better! The Imam (as) was careful never to make the poor people feel that he was living in luxury while they were suffering. When the poor people saw that their own Imam (as) and caliph was living a simple lifestyle, they did not feel so sad about their situation."

I'm pretty sure Nakshawani is not dressing in western/tight clothing because of wanting to look more luxurious than his audience, but it still might have that effect on some. If he were to give lectures wearing his normal outfits (dishdasha, traditional clothing, etc.) it may make the viewers look up to him more as a simple man, rather than a worldly obsessed man.

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I don't really think Ammar Nakashwani's clothing is inappropriate for the general public, I mean not everyone wants to wear a traditional Shiite attire, given they might not even be that qualified. You do realize that Ammar Nakashwani is nowhere near a scholar, as he's just a lecturer.

Ammar tends to wear fancy Western clothes mainly during conferences, Imam Hussein TV shows, fundraisers etc. However during Muharram he does wear a long black dress if that makes everyone happy.

Anyway, I reckon Ammar Nakashwani is dressing that way so the Western youth can relate to him. Nowadays there are all sorts of famous celebrities such as Justin Bieber, Zayn Malik etc. Who a lot of the youth look up to, as you see by their hairstyles, clothes, general swag etc.

We have to realize that not all the youth are philosophers or practicing Muslims. Therefore, they may not really be able to relate to some traditional scholars who wear full attire etc. Although they might sometime in the future when they become slightly more religious. Therefore Ammar occasionally throws in some casual banter every now and then with some references to Liverpool FC (btw mashallah they're doing so well) so people see him as a casual Muslim who goes through struggles just like everyone else. Ammar is sending out a message to the youth that it is possible to be a practicing Muslim even in a Western country. As a result, the youth relate to him and will turn to him for inspiration rather than some funky celebrities like Zayn Malik etc.

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Tsk...tsk.... 

No wonder he doesn't have good things to say about 'keyboard warriors' 

:shifty:

[Edit] @Aflower Your thread reminded me of my Ziyarat trip. The number of married women going potty for him...:censored:(You live in Britain, I guess you will understand the expression, rest consult the dictionary, I couldn't think of a better one) It was shameful to watch actually,as they tried to ask awkward questions from his brother about his private life... 'What does he eat for dinner?' 'Is he a very dominant kind of person in private life?' 'look I also have tattoos on my wrist, I will pull back my abaya sleeve a bit maybe so he can see mine' Seriously?? He kept to himself throughout the trip,not in an arrogant way and behaved politely but very decently.

@Mods how about locking this thread? :bye:

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