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Mohammed-Mehdi

Climate change: causes, consequences and solutions

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l was in an office today and their tv was running "Random Facts"

One of their facts is: 3% of glacial ice is penguin urine.

Now that is info we can use to reduce the alleged 'sea level rise':

Feed and Breed penguins, spike their feed with diuretics and find alternative food sources for sea lions.

Then slowly, we will have sea water transported inland into an area of desert level of precipitation.

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More the 1/2 Trillion Euros for "Nothing"   :ranting:

http://www.dw.com/en/eu-wants-to-accelerate-energy-transition/av-43415251 

In the broadcast, DW reported that 1/2 trillion Euros has already been spent and the result? No change in 10 years.

 

Oct 2017 article, Germany has given out Euro 189 billion in subsidies:  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/business/energy-environment/german-renewable-energy.html 

From March 2013 --which also refers to Germany producing more coal because of their post-Fukushima reaction- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/03/14/germanys-green-energy-disaster-a-cautionary-tale-for-world-leaders/#6d024b0d54e9 

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On 4/17/2018 at 4:28 AM, hasanhh said:

In the broadcast, DW reported that 1/2 trillion Euros has already been spent and the result? No change in 10 years.

Salam I always think that is a show off because industrial countries have more income than 1.2 T Euroes  in 10 years ,they just do it  for calming people.

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@notme and SC:

Have you seen PBS NOVA "Decoding the Weather Machine" ? 

The first hour and half are OK and informative, the last  part "global warming" hype.

In the first half hour is this map with red indicating more heat around the planet,  which curiously lies in the more northern area of the planet.

Hmmmm. curious.  l did reviewed that sea water is reflective as is ice which explains a cooler Southern Hemisphere, but why the nearly solid red above ~45th North parallel ? ? ?

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670020051.pdf  and at the bottom of page 1 we read that the heat retained by water vapor varies between 10exp-3 % to 1%  by volume of atmosphere dependent upon local conditions, while CO2 is uniformly distributed around the planet.

Combine the NASA publication with the high transpiration rates of the upper latitudes' swamps and forests in Siberia, Alaska, Canada and Scandinavia and we can see why the map is so screwed. The higher heat readings are due to transpired water vapor.

As l have expressed before, l believe in Climate Change and more specifically in Man-made Global Warming like l believe in Santa Claus and "good gov't".

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10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

planet

 

10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

@notme and SC:

Have you seen PBS NOVA "Decoding the Weather Machine" ? 

The first hour and half are OK and informative, the last  part "global warming" hype.

In the first half hour is this map with red indicating more heat around the planet,  which curiously lies in the more northern area of the planet.

Hmmmm. curious.  l did reviewed that sea water is reflective as is ice which explains a cooler Southern Hemisphere, but why the nearly solid red above ~45th North parallel ? ? ?

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670020051.pdf  and at the bottom of page 1 we read that the heat retained by water vapor varies between 10exp-3 % to 1%  by volume of atmosphere dependent upon local conditions, while CO2 is uniformly distributed around the planet.

Combine the NASA publication with the high transpiration rates of the upper latitudes' swamps and forests in Siberia, Alaska, Canada and Scandinavia and we can see why the map is so screwed. The higher heat readings are due to transpired water vapor.

As l have expressed before, l believe in Climate Change and more specifically in Man-made Global Warming like l believe in Santa Claus and "good gov't".

did you study the document i posted?
it is real :by Man influenced Climate Change

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On 4/22/2018 at 12:15 PM, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

did you study the document i posted?
it is real :by Man influenced Climate Change

Compared to volcanoes? Don't think so. Neither with the Solar Cycle nor Milankovitch Cycles.

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16 hours ago, notme said:

@hasanhh thanks, I'll have to take a look later. We've got Earth Day things to do today. We're going to shop for some fruit trees. 

Happy Tree-Huggin' Day.

The news yesterday said there a 80 billion plastic bottles out there.

Sheeeesh.

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16 minutes ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

bro it is legit though, 1; difference in pressure and 2; more water reaching the magma

The ice is no where near the weight as during the lce Age. Second, the amount of free water running under glaciers is naturally extensive; called glacial run-off and cavity pools.

Compare the amount of water under Yellowstone or under sea volcanoes.

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The article appears to be legit.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/doi/10.1130/G39633.1/521232/climatic-control-on-icelandic-volcanic-activity

Regardless of where we are in our stage of an interglacial, and regardless of how much ice was present during the past ice age or little ice age, there appears to be, as per a handful of research articles, a correlation between loading of ice and underlying volcanism. 

"Numerical models suggest that glacial unloading increases mantle melt production at depth and alters the storage capacity in the crust (Hooper et al., 2011). Even small changes in surface loading can alter the stress field around shallow magma chambers, increasing or decreasing the likelihood of eruptions at ice-covered volcanoes (Albino et al., 2010)."

Just because, it might take 500-1000 years of melt and adjustments in the mantle, this wouldn't be a reason to just ignore the correlation.

And really, these articles aren't particularly surprising either. Large magmatic chambers are often unstable on their own. Why would anyone be surprised that if you removed weight from the surface, that you would affect things like rates of mantle melting, which subsequently would affect things like volcanism. It's probably just not referenced much because it seems like a large scale change that would take hundreds of years to unfold.

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On 4/24/2018 at 3:08 PM, iCambrian said:

The article appears to be legit.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/doi/10.1130/G39633.1/521232/climatic-control-on-icelandic-volcanic-activity

Regardless of where we are in our stage of an interglacial, and regardless of how much ice was present during the past ice age or little ice age, there appears to be, as per a handful of research articles, a correlation between loading of ice and underlying volcanism. 

Just because, it might take 500-1000 years of melt and adjustments in the mantle, this wouldn't be a reason to just ignore the correlation.  Appears the time scale is off.

The Gakkel Ridge is a continuance of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge it seems.

https://www.iceagenow.info/underwater-volcanoes-melting-arctic-ice-says-geologist/  this is a Jan2016 article.

More recent articles show that this occurrence as the basis for the Arctic ice melt is gaining acceptance.

 

Locally to me, this 29April18, it was below freezing for a few hours this morning.

As l asked before, where is this global warming we are promised? ? ?

About two weeks of average temperatures since ~ November and the rest of the times below average.

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On 4/29/2018 at 8:34 AM, hasanhh said:

Locally to me, this 29April18, it was below freezing for a few hours this morning.

As l asked before, where is this global warming we are promised? ? ?

About two weeks of average temperatures since ~ November and the rest of the times below average.

Ahhhh....:dwarf:  . . . :ranting: "lt was a record LOW . . . a 144 year record low.

:cry: sniff . . . sniff And there is a frost advisory for tomorrow morning.

l Iive in the Mid-West, not on Hudson Bay.

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On 4/29/2018 at 8:34 AM, hasanhh said:

The Gakkel Ridge is a continuance of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge it seems.

https://www.iceagenow.info/underwater-volcanoes-melting-arctic-ice-says-geologist/  this is a Jan2016 article.

More recent articles show that this occurrence as the basis for the Arctic ice melt is gaining acceptance.

 

Locally to me, this 29April18, it was below freezing for a few hours this morning.

As l asked before, where is this global warming we are promised? ? ?

About two weeks of average temperatures since ~ November and the rest of the times below average.

This isnt really a response to my post.  Its just unrelated commentary.

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6 hours ago, iCambrian said:

This isnt really a response to my post.  Its just unrelated commentary.

These articles referred to say that underwater volcanism is melting Arctic lce.

Contrarily, the 92 volcanoes in Antarctica, some of which are erupting, are not contributing to Antarctic melting.

So how doesn't the first sentence respond to your post?

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On 4/30/2018 at 6:59 PM, iCambrian said:

The topic being discussed wasn't about whether or not deep sea volcanism melts ice.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235056364-climate-change-causes-consequences-and-solutions/?do=findComment&comment=3137047

l follow and agree with you point, excepting that Gakkel volcanism is what's currently melting Arctic ice.

l saw on today's BBC that a new research project on ice melt is underway in Antarctica.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43936372 

See also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wild/Thwaites_Glacier  which describes its speed of advance;

the parts breaking off are already in the water, https://nsidc.org/data/velmap/pine_getz/thwaites/thwaites.html 

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FRAUD  ALERT

As l have posted before, l have made several observations about the fraudulent nature of Global Warming --a.k.a. Climate Change.

By accident, l found this video today from 2007 which was posted in 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JL6b3vGIkU   showing the flow of the Jakobshavn Glacier claiming it is Man-induced change.       

WAIT !  Did not l see this recently? l know l did.

Researching videos from the last month l found it. The 18April18 "Decoding the Weather Machine", NOVA, PBS

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/decoding-weather-machine.html 

Using the available transcript, about 40% down where you'll see the speaker references Brian Rougeux, David Holland, Helicopter Pilot; the Narrator says, "ln 2015 an iceberg twice the size of the Empire State Building breaks off and floats out to sea."  {Of course, the mélange is totally ignored --ed.} lt is the same video but NOVA fraudulently claims it is time lapsed in 2015.

This is more shameless than that penguin story l wrote about last year.

NOTE: The Empire State Building has a volume of 37 million cubic feet. This is 276,779,220.8 gallons of water. And Olympic size swimming pool has 660,253.1 gallons of water. This gives ~419 pools of water. So 2 of these is ~838 swimming pools. A lot fewer swimming pools than in your home state.

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4 hours ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

A puff-piece. Other than that, if it is getting warmer then it cuts my heat bills, although it did not this past Winter.

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