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Mohammed-Mehdi

Climate change: causes, consequences and solutions

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38 minutes ago, notme said:

Has anyone ever wondered why "The Fertile Crescent", the origin of agriculture and modern civilization, is a dry, lifeless desert?  It's because humans changed it.  The land from Greece to Afghanistan used to be richly forested.  Forests were cleared for construction and agriculture.  Soils were irrigated and nutrients washed away.  Salts were left behind as the water evaporated.  Desertification was caused by civilization.  

How much more infeasible is it that humans, who now occupy the entire earth in some form of "civilization" are destroying the productivity and climate of the entire earth?  It has been happening for 13 thousand years.  What makes climate change deniers think it has stopped now?

You might be interested in this article (it also has lots of interesting links) - I was just reading it.

Could One Man Single-Handedly Ruin the Planet?

 http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/bolsanaros-amazon-deforestation-accelerates-climate-change.html

Edited by Maryaam

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6 hours ago, hasanhh said:

And Greenland use to be "green".

We had this in grade school 60 years ago.

Climate changes.

The planet was warmer in the cretaceous too, but this doesn't mean that mankind isn't weighting in now that we are here and heavily industrialized with a population of 7.5 billion.

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19 hours ago, hasanhh said:

And Greenland use to be "green".

We had this in grade school 60 years ago.

Climate changes.

Greenland was green 400 000 or more years ago. It was already frozen when Vikings attempted (and failed) to colonize in the tenth century. 

I don't recall: how much continental drift occurs in 400 000 or more years in the vicinity of the mid Atlantic ridge? 

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22 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Record cold is expected in the northeast US/southeast Canada for Thanksgiving Day.

Where is this "global warming" the activists keep promising US ?

The global average temperature is the one going up.

They predict that where it is cold it will  be colder and the opposite. 
One could find such trends as well in recent years. Just saying.

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@hasanhh

And about what I have understood about your " political " idea in this matter, I believe we could say the opposite as well.

Many of those extreme richest people would love humanity not to give a single damn about the enviroment. 
Trump was the less preferred one by the Zionists and the gang then Clinton. But it's perfect for making major decisions in a rough way, for what they believe is their interest.

All in the name of Make America Great Again

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3 minutes ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

The global average temperature is the one going up.

They predict that where it is cold it will  be colder and the opposite. 
One could find such trends as well in recent years. Just saying.

While there are anecdotal precedents, weather records only start in 1870 on anything similar to a global scale. So l cannot accept any declaration that climate is changing in any direction.

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7 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Many of the poor and middle-rich do not care either.

Yes but they are not the worst of the worst, scheming for the Dajjal against our Imam ,while having major amounts of financial wealth, influence, etc. rn.

8 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

While there are anecdotal precedents, weather records only start in 1870 on anything similar to a global scale. So l cannot accept any declaration that climate is changing in any direction.

Why should we only think in terms of weather records ?

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32 minutes ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

Why should we only think in terms of weather records ?

The weather records are not near long enough.

Around here we have high temperature records from the late 1800s exceeding the many from the highs of the 1930s. Also, we have cold temperature records from the second half of the 1900s and a couple since 2000.

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3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

The weather records are not near long enough.

Around here we have high temperature records from the late 1800s exceeding the many from the highs of the 1930s. Also, we have cold temperature records from the second half of the 1900s and a couple since 2000.

Yes I mean why should we think only based on what has been recorded since around 1800 or so ? There are theories/ideas/ geographic proofs to determine a lot about these things, a pretty long time before 1800. 

Especially with climate change we should look like way back. 

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1 minute ago, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

why should we think only based on what has been recorded since around 1800 or so ?

As l wrote before, records as we know them only start about 1870.

There is also geologic evidence. 0ne l remember off-hand is the Great Plains of the US. A geologic report said that the rainfall experienced in the last 150 years is above normal according to the geologic analysis.

There is also historical evidence. There are stone and Roman concrete docks that are nearly all ~20 feet below the Mediterranean surface --so the sea has risen since they were built two millennia ago. You can also Iook-up "The Frozen Bosphorus . . ."

 

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Here's a big thick US scientific report. I haven't read it yet, just sharing for others who might also be interested.

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/

There's a "globalchange.gov" website and still "The President" denies reality? 

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3 hours ago, notme said:

Here's a big thick US scientific report. I haven't read it yet, just sharing for others who might also be interested.

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/

There's a "globalchange.gov" website and still "The President" denies reality? 

Well, CNN "read" it.  "Thousands Will DIE"  :hahaha:"This ain't Chicken Little hysteria but Gov't Spittle socialist scat."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/health/climate-change-report-bn/index.html 

l was watching PBS NewsHour, this date, and this Bollshi was proclaiming, in classical Leninist tactic, that "this is settle science" and now people can begin saying what they wanted to say all along. Opine: you gotta hear it to believe it, it is so arrogantly self-righteous.

For you younger folks, when the Bolsheviks were conniving for power, people would ask challenging questions to Lenin at political rallies. The Lenin Tactic was to say "that question has already been settled". Which of course it wasn't, but people at the rallies didn't know any better.

This is just another busy-body socialist scheme to run more of our lives.

"lf you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." Next, "lf you like your car, you can keep your car."

 

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13 hours ago, hasanhh said:

"lf you like your car, you can keep your car."

I don't want to keep my car. I want affordable and practical public transportation, and greater EV infrastructure. 

My car is a disgusting, smelly, gas guzzling "luxury SUV" behemoth. I'd much rather drive a Tesla, or even an electric Smart, but I'm not that rich and we need passenger room. 

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11 hours ago, notme said:

I don't want to keep my car. I want affordable and practical public transportation, and greater EV infrastructure. 

My car is a disgusting, smelly, gas guzzling "luxury SUV" behemoth. I'd much rather drive a Tesla, or even an electric Smart, but I'm not that rich and we need passenger room. 

You are the one who bought it.

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6 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

You are the one who bought it.

True.

Only because my peppy little reliable fuel efficient car was one seat short of enough to carry my whole family. :( I'm not happy about what I had to do. 

And you know, we only all sit in the monstrosity a couple times per year. Most of the time it's just me and one or two children. 

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@hasanhh

Regarding records from 1870 and on, if the trend in warming is not a product of mankind's actions, then what natural causes would you say explain the trend?

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41 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

@hasanhh

Regarding records from 1870 and on, if the trend in warming is not a product of mankind's actions, then what natural causes would you say explain the trend?

Solar cycles mostly. The Milankovitch Cylce is too sIow.  The formation and drift of High Pressure Systems determine the jet streams' flow.

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On 11/25/2018 at 9:20 AM, hasanhh said:

Solar cycles mostly. The Milankovitch Cylce is too sIow.  The formation and drift of High Pressure Systems determine the jet streams' flow.

Ok, so let's see your publications on solar influence of climate change, if you don't mind.

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Look up solar cycle on internet.

 

I'm not asking a loaded question, just asking for your justification.

 

Do you have research to share? If not I'll just be on my way.

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9 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

on solar influence of climate change, if you don't mind.

Example: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235003574-ice-ages/?tab=comments#comment-2431668 

And,  https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234992047-global-warming/?comments#comment-2230780

You can look-up several things by entering terms in the search-box above.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Thanks for posting my own link there lol. Belial is one of my many accounts.

 

Alright well, I'm interested in actual research. Not my own unpublished banters. In my ice age topic, I don't think i said anything about solar fluctuations being the cause of modern warming trends.

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AsSalamu Alaikum,:D

I think in recent times another big contributor to 'climate change' is geoengineering. Although this area is very skeptical there is countless theories to suggest that chemtrails and haarp have been used for weather modification which in turn has contributed to a change to our climate, however what I find intriguing is that recently the United Nations published a report about how geoegineering could actually counteract global warming. I think geoengineering is an area you need to keep a close eye on as in this day and age when it comes to climate change, as depending on your viewpoint it can either be an advantage in combating or a disadvantage in contributing.

Another point that I think is interesting is how every 405,000 years Venus and Jupiter affect our climate, due to the gravitational pull from each planet, the earths orbit is sent into an ellipse of about 5°, producing the Milankovitch cycles that cause the planet’s glacial and interglacial cycles.  Changes to the climate and environment have been linked towards this 405000 year cycle, even from the time of the dinosaurs. Currently we are in the middle of one of these cycles with the last peak occurring 200000 years ago.  I think this is very interesting and also proves the fact that climate change isn't just a recent occurrence.

May Allah Bless you all!:)

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On 12/10/2018 at 10:18 AM, hasanhh said:

Sustainability in the Digital World

Whose is the 3rd largest consumer of energy?

https://www.dw.com/en/how-sustainable-is-the-digital-way-of-life/av-46614894 

If you see the report posted at the very beginning of this topic, page 1, it talks about this and the cost of Gaming, showering, Paprika production, other issues, if people want to " do their part "

Even if you do not believe in Climate Change, the report by CE Delft is still useful. 

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