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Assalamu alaykum i understand calling upon the prophets or imams in their shrines is permissible but how about when one is not in their shrines is it still permissible to make tawassul as in saying 'ya muhammad` or 'ya ali' and if its permissible please quote from hadith  and also should we pray tawassul by lifting our hands as when making dua to Allah?

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Ahlul Bayth (A.S) are the guidance of Allah, we need to ask them to guide us towards Allah. Those who are not connected with Quran and don't take guidance of Allah from Ahlul Bayth (A.S), are always misguided by Satan.

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I don't personally do it. Sufficient for me are the way the Aimmah have asked us to perform Dua in Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua, where they go into detail about every condition required or beneficial for Dua, and every way and manner of expression in Dua, and a large number of beautiful Duas. One Majhul tradition has 'Ya Muhammad' in it, but it also has the name of Allah in it too in the same sentence and phrased in an acceptable manner. I'm not claiming it's shirk with the right intention, but for sure we have many people who are abusing the whole concept. Permissible, perhaps, constitutes best practise as is done by some people today? Allah knows best.

EDIT: I don't see any major issue with Dua Tawassul. Nade Ali on the other hand, is something i would never recite, have never recited, and inshAllah, will never recite. I would not recite that if i was paid.

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13 hours ago, erik said:

Assalamu alaykum i understand calling upon the prophets or imams in their shrines is permissible but how about when one is not in their shrines is it still permissible to make tawassul as in saying 'ya muhammad` or 'ya ali' and if its permissible please quote from hadith  and also should we pray tawassul by lifting our hands as when making dua to Allah?

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Salaam, yes brother there is no problem with it.

The best example of tawassul is of course Dua-e-Tawassul. Please check the link and sub-links on the page.

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13 hours ago, erik said:

Assalamu alaykum i understand calling upon the prophets or imams in their shrines is permissible but how about when one is not in their shrines is it still permissible to make tawassul as in saying 'ya muhammad` or 'ya ali' and if its permissible please quote from hadith  and also should we pray tawassul by lifting our hands as when making dua to Allah?

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Alaikas Salam brother,

It is recommended to reach to Allah thru Ahlulbait (ams).

In Surah Maaedah (5): 35, Allah orders:

يَأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ وَ ابْتَغُواْ إِلَيْهِ الْوَسِيلَةَ وَ جَاهِدُواْ فىِ سَبِيلِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُون
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‘O you who believe! Be careful (of your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful.’

Click below to read more about Tawassul through Sunnah.

http://www.seratonline.com/22743/tawassul-in-islam-verdict-of-the-sunnah/

 

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1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Nade Ali on the other hand, is something i would never recite, have never recited, and inshAllah, will never recite. I would not recite that if i was paid.

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Is the prayer known as "Nâdi 'Aliyyân Prayer" having a standard sanad?How to read the prayer?
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Is the prayer known as "Nâdi 'Aliyyân Prayer" having a standard sanad? Is this prayer narrated in the standard literature? How to read the prayer? If a person is fulfilled by means of this prayer or other prayers is it reliable?
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  The meaning of Nâdi 'Aliyyân's prayer is a fragment of the verse:

 

"ناد علیا مظهر العجائب *

 

تجده عونا لک فی النوائب *

 

کل غم و هم سینجلی *

 

بولایتک یا علی یا علی یا علی "

 

Call Ali ! Which is the manifestation of all miracles

 

You will find him as a helper in all disasters

 

All anxiety and sadness will soon disappear

 

With your territory O Ali, O Ali, O Ali

 

 

 

 

This verse of poetry is narrated in volume 20 of Bihâr al-Anwâr's book 73 from Maibadi, one of the pilgrims of Diwân Amirul Mukminin As from the Ahlusunnah cleric. The history is as follows:

 

"ناد علیا مظهر العجائب * تجده عونا لک فی النوائب

 

کل غم و هم سینجلی * بولایتک یا علی یا علی یا علی. "

 

Call Ali ! Which is the manifestation of all miracles

 

You will find him as a helper in all disasters

 

All anxiety and sadness will soon disappear

 

With your territory O Ali, O Ali, O Ali .

 

 

 

 

The history fragment is here and is not quoted as indicating that this poem can be used as a prayer.

 

From one side, although each prayer should be read according to what is mentioned in the narration, it should be noted that the procedure of how to read the " Nādi 'Aliyyân " prayer has no source of history and certain instructions related to this prayer are not found in the hadith literature .

 

However, there is no problem reading the prayers of Nâdi 'Aliyyân with the intention of obtaining rewards and rewards or " qashd rajâ ."

 

The great marja taklid said, "There is no problem reading prayers that are still unclear by the standards of sanadnya with the intention to gain the reward is not the intention of carrying the instruction of history." [1] Meaning the prayer is read with the intention to reap the reward not with the intention that the prayer has been narrated of Imam Masum As.

 

Another point is that in what worship is important at the first level it is a standardization of the literature. There is no problem of every person with his own imperity and praying to Allah, according to the history of the Imam Masum As, provided that it is not contrary to the teachings of Islam. [2]

 

However, this can not be taken as a universal principle that when one reads a prayer or fulfills nadzar because his heart has been fulfilled, then we view the prayer as the prayers narrated from the Imams of Masum As and then add it as a collection of prayers and deeds which exists. [IQuest] 


 

[1] . Ayatollah Shafi Gulpaigani, Ma'ârif Din , p. 260. Ayatollah Fadhil Langkarani, Istifta'at, jil.2, p. 537.  

 

[2] . Muhammad bin al-Hasan Hurr Amili, Wasâil al-Shiah , jil. 7, p. 139, Hadith 8944, Muassasah Ali al-Bait, Qum, 1409 H.

 

. "عن زرارة قال قلت لأبی عبد الله ع منی دعاء فقال إن أفضل الدعاء ما جرى على لسانک".

 

http://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa8308

 

http://www.islamraza.com/2017/01/12/nade-ali-invocation-is-it-permissible-every-thing-you-need-to-know/

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13 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

There is no problem in it. 

You can ask your hajaat like follows:

Allhumma inni as'aloka be-haqqe Muhammad, wa ant'al Mahmood, wa be-haqqe Aliyin wa ant'al Aala, wa be-haqqe Fatema, wa ant'al Faterus Samawat wal Arz wa be-haqqil Hasan wa ant'al Mohseen wa be-haqqil Hussain wa ant'al Qadeemul Ehsan

absolutely love this  every time I hear it.

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3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:
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I respect your research and i have read this material before. My views have shifted from believing this was Shirk, to believing that if done properly in the right way with the right intention and not abused, it isn't. When abused, it's just not the way to make Dua.

Nevertheless, i won't impose my opinion on this issue , but i'll just stick to what our Aimmah (asws) and Prophet (saw) have dictated to us in quite some depth about how to make Dua. In essence, i never make a Dua where i do not address Allah. I refuse to ever be convinced to persuaded to make a Dua wherein i do not address Allah.

So if i were to accept saying 'Ya Muhammed' i would say 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, your slave, your Messenger. O Muhammed, i turn to Allah though you, so intercede before your lord for me , on my behalf, that he grants my prayer'. However if i were to just fall over i would not randomly cry 'Ya Muhammed'. My policy is never to perform a Dua without mentioning Allah. No-one should ever have a problem with that. If anyone does have a problem with ensuring even if they say Ya Muhammed or Ya Ali , that they fit Allah into that Dua, and take his name to frame the intercession, then i'm not going to argue with them.

This in essence is my view dear brother. 

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1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

I respect your research and i have read this material before. My views have shifted from believing this was Shirk, to believing that if done properly in the right way with the right intention and not abused, it isn't. When abused, it's just not the way to make Dua.

Nevertheless, i won't impose my opinion on this issue , but i'll just stick to what our Aimmah (asws) and Prophet (saw) have dictated to us in quite some depth about how to make Dua. In essence, i never make a Dua where i do not address Allah. I refuse to ever be convinced to persuaded to make a Dua wherein i do not address Allah.

So if i were to accept saying 'Ya Muhammed' i would say 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, your slave, your Messenger. O Muhammed, i turn to Allah though you, so intercede before your lord for me , on my behalf, that he grants my prayer'. However if i were to just fall over i would not randomly cry 'Ya Muhammed'. My policy is never to perform a Dua without mentioning Allah. No-one should ever have a problem with that. If anyone does have a problem with ensuring even if they say Ya Muhammed or Ya Ali , that they fit Allah into that Dua, and take his name to frame the intercession, then i'm not going to argue with them.

This in essence is my view dear brother. 

I dont think OP is asking for personal opinions so a simple "Yes" with some examples would suffice.

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1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

I respect your research and i have read this material before. My views have shifted from believing this was Shirk, to believing that if done properly in the right way with the right intention and not abused, it isn't. When abused, it's just not the way to make Dua.

 

What do you mean abuse? How can you abuse something that allows nearness to Allah?

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15 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

What do you mean abuse? How can you abuse something that allows nearness to Allah?

People who say 'Ya Ali' predominantly, in every scenario, and almost rarely call upon Allah, or include the beautiful names of Allah in their call for help. Hajj Hasnain Rajabali makes this point very effectively:

 

As i have said before, i never make a Dua without including in my Dua Allah, or one of his beautiful names, even if i use tawassul. If people on the other hand, are content with making Dua and not including the name of Allah, or doing it a comparatively smaller proportion of the time, then them and their Lord. As for me, i never have, and never will make a Dua and not have the name of my creator exist my mouth.If i want to seek help through the Prophet (saw), then i would say something like: 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, your slave, your Messenger. O Muhammed, i turn to Allah though you, so intercede before your lord for me , on my behalf, that he grants my prayer'".

Now some people argue you can just say 'Ya Ali' all the time and not have to mention Allah, because that is implied in the intention. To them i reply, why don't you find it acceptable to mention Ya Allah all the time, but have the intention of tawassul or seeking a means implicit in the intention? It is rather strange. Nevertheless, i'm not in the frame of mind to debate this issue, i'm not arguing it is shirk, or dissuading anyone.  All i am arguing is, include the name of Allah.

I don't think i can be persuaded to practise otherwise. It is been made manifestly clear in al-Kafi, Volume 2, Book of Dua, that there are certain ways in which we should approach Dua. And even in the one Dua out of all of them which includes 'Ya Muhammad', Allah is praised, mentioned, addressed, and the intercession of the Prophet is sought. 

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@Intellectual Resistance a very narrow view of the philosophy of dua. You are simply extending the dua to be verbal rather than emotional. Intent is stronger than speech. I suggest getting into philosophy because all your arguments so far are very basic and can easily be shaken. Books over videos, brother.

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12 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

@Intellectual Resistance a very narrow view of the philosophy of dua. You are simply extending the dua to be verbal rather than emotional. Intent is stronger than speech. I suggest getting into philosophy because all your arguments so far are very basic and can easily be shaken. Books over videos, brother.

Well, considering i had to do formal study at an advanced level on critical-thinking, as well as having taken an interest in reading philosophy - though there is much more to learn and read - i would argue the fault here may lay on your misrepresentation of what i have said. I don't believe i have ever once restricted Dua to what is verbal, and claimed the intention is not important. This i argue, is  a straw-man of what i really was trying to say. No-one doubts the importance of intention, and that it forms the foundation of Dua. Who can even deny intention forms the foundation of every single action we do? It is not required to read philosophy books to know something that is actually a very basic fact.

However, to deny or minimise the importance of what is vocalised risks going into another extreme. In trying to minimise the importance of vocalisation, you may have fallen into the trap of someone who may go even further and argue that 'Well if God knows my heart and my intention, what is the need and purpose of vocalising a prayer out loud, if i intend to want something sincerely in my heart, and wish for Allah to grant it'? 

I'm sure you have gone through Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua. Please do explain why the Aimmah and Prophet (asws) make an enormous emphasis  - in fact an enormous portion of the actual Chapter on Dua is dedicated for this purpose - on the following criteria:

1. Praising Allah before asking for favours - verbally. 

2. Asking for forgiveness of sins.

3. Reciting the Salawat upon Muhammed and his purified progeny (asws)

4. Explicitly detailing our needs in depth.

Surely, any reading of Kitab al-Kafi , book of Dua will clearly make it manifest the importance of the verbal aspect of Dua. No-one doubts the importance of intention, but Dua  by its very nature is a practical, literal act. The way and manner our Aimmah have encouraged us to do it in make it clear that there is merit and great importance in vocalising. They order us to praise Allah first , then to send Salawat, and then to describe all of our needs in detail. 

In fact, part of the beauty of the Duas of our Aimmah and Prophet (asws) is rooted in the way and manner they express themselves. The reason why Allah, the Almighty has included verbatim the Duas of previous Prophets of God , out of many reasons, is to give us an example of how we should verbally approach him. Allah has even explicitly stated in his noble Quran that to him belong the most  beautiful names, and that we should call upon him by them - further demonstrating the importance of the verbal.

Is intention important ? Absolutely. However, so is what you say verbally, and as i have made clear, i will not perform a Dua where i do not verbally address my creator, even in one where i may be seeking the intercession of Muhammed and his purified progeny. 

 

 

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@Intellectual Resistance How can you compare the dua of an Imam to a dua of the layman? A dua by an imam is made to be used by anyone and everyone. A person who uses tawasul (Ya ‘Ali, etc.) is highly individualised. I will not get into the reason for tawasul as I’ll assume you already know the many arguments for it.

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20 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

@Intellectual Resistance How can you compare the dua of an Imam to a dua of the layman? A dua by an imam is made to be used by anyone and everyone. A person who uses tawasul (Ya ‘Ali, etc.) is highly individualised. I will not get into the reason for tawasul as I’ll assume you already know the many arguments for it.

What you're referring to in 'Ya Ali' i assume you know is Istigatha, which is distinct from Tawassul, and i am sure we both know full well the arguments for both - and that which overlaps. Now, isn't the purpose of the Duas from the Prophets of God and Aimmah to tech us how best to approach God, how best to talk to him, how best to vocalise and verbalise requests? Making a new category of 'Dua of a Lay person' i don't even think exists brother, with due respect in the sense there are no rules or beneficial methods to follow. Even if a lay person was to make Dua, they should do so knowing full well the criteria given to them in terms of how to approach God. 

In other words, unless an Imam has dictated a Dua, can a layperson wanting to talk to God in their own words not have to have as much importance of calling upon him, and doing so by his beautiful names - as he has commanded?  Or praising him? Or being specific in their prayer? While the Aimmah and Prophets have given us beautiful supplications, the reality is, they have also given us guidelines as to how to make Dua, even if it is our own lay Dua. We don't need to read a Dua from them they have dictated to appreciate the best manner of performing Dua, even if it is our own in our language.

Let me just argue that everything i have said is not true, or contains fallacies, can anyone argue that laypersons Dua in their own language and words, or otherwise, it is better to mention the name of Allah in every request we have, tawassul or otherwise, than not?  If i want to make it a habit never to make a Dua without mentioning my creator, even those in my own words, is that something to be attacked for?  My point is very simple, if you want to ask the Prophet of God for his intercession, and you are convinced of its legitimacy, then it is you and your own lord. However, when asking for his intercession, instead of calling him out solely and crying out 'Ya Muhammad' at all times of stress and struggle, why not make sure you frame that and also verbalise the name of Allah as well?

Instead of 'Ya Ali' all the time, why not any variant like ' O Allah, i ask you by right of Ali' or 'O Allah, i turn to you through Ali. O Ali, intercede for me before Allah'?  

Again, it's a very simple principle, when making a call for help, or a prayer request, include your creator. If someone wants to argue it isn't important to vocalise and include the name of Allah in it, then that's their opinion , but what i and many others practise is never making a Dua without Allah in it as the central verbalised pillar. Allah is in our Dua not just in intention, but clearly vocalised, because both components are important.

 

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Forgive any typos or errors of expression, it's very late at night here, and i've edited some of my posts to reflect better grammar in this late hour.

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@Intellectual Resistance Actually no. I disagree that the dua should teach you how to talk to Allah. It may be 'A' reason but definitely not THE reason. As many scholars have said, talk to Allah in your own way, Allah knows what you want, but it is the act of  going to him is more important. Talk to him simply. How many people actually mean 100% of the dua they are reading.

Dua of a layman is not a category. What I meant by it is simply whatever you say with tawajuh to Allah.

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2 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

So if i were to accept saying 'Ya Muhammed' i would say 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, your slave, your Messenger. O Muhammed, i turn to Allah though you, so intercede before your lord for me , on my behalf, that he grants my prayer'. However if i were to just fall over i would not randomly cry 'Ya Muhammed'. My policy is never to perform a Dua without mentioning Allah. No-one should ever have a problem with that. If anyone does have a problem with ensuring even if they say Ya Muhammed or Ya Ali , that they fit Allah into that Dua, and take his name to frame the intercession, then i'm not going to argue with them.

 

1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

People who say 'Ya Ali' predominantly, in every scenario, and almost rarely call upon Allah, or include the beautiful names of Allah in their call for help. Hajj Hasnain Rajabali makes this point very effectively:

 

Brother I 100% agree with u, Im a convert to Islam and I became shia less than a year ago and one of the reasons why i never thought about becoming shia was because i felt like shias have call upon Ali more than Allah, alhamdulillah im now a shia and i understand the concept of calling upon the imams and the prophets but I still think some people abuse of it and place the imams in the part of their hearts where belongs only to Allah. I think we should remember that Imam Ali was a slave of Allah and he taught us to have a special love for Allah that we cant have with any of the prophets or imams.

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51 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

@Intellectual Resistance Actually no. I disagree that the dua should teach you how to talk to Allah. It may be 'A' reason but definitely not THE reason. As many scholars have said, talk to Allah in your own way, Allah knows what you want, but it is the act of  going to him is more important. Talk to him simply. How many people actually mean 100% of the dua they are reading.

Dua of a layman is not a category. What I meant by it is simply whatever you say with tawajuh to Allah.

We ought to talk to Allah in our own way too, there is no doubt about that. However the Aimmah have given us clear guidelines about how to go about doing this. I've made Duas to Allah, which are in my own words, but i have followed those guidelines.  They teach us how we should approach Allah, even if we don't use their wordings. 

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21 minutes ago, erik said:

 

Brother I 100% agree with u, Im a convert to Islam and I became shia less than a year ago and one of the reasons why i never thought about becoming shia was because i felt like shias have call upon Ali more than Allah, alhamdulillah im now a shia and i understand the concept of calling upon the imams and the prophets but I still think some people abuse of it and place the imams in the part of their hearts where belongs only to Allah. I think we should remember that Imam Ali was a slave of Allah and he taught us to have a special love for Allah that we cant have with any of the prophets or imams.

Brother Erik, while many Ashari/Maturidi Sunnis  as well as Shias, do say things like 'Ya Muhammad' with the intention you are asking Allah to accept the intercession of Muhammed (saw) and that only Allah truly grants, by his will , the reality is, you don't have to do that. If you live your life, and call out to Allah, for the sake of Muhammed and his purified progeny, and ask Allah to accept their intercession from you, and use the Duas the Prophet and Imams (asws) have given to us to recite in Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua, no-one can blame you.

And if someone decides to say 'Ya Muhammad' , then why not do it in the way mentioned 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, O Messenger of Allah , i turn to Allah through you. O Allah accept the intercession of your slave and Prophet (saw) and grant me my need'? A lot of people abuse this concept. Even if we accept it is permissible, does that mean in the ways it is carried out by a number of people that it necessarily constitutes best practise?

I just can't imagine making a Dua, even with Tawassul, and not including my creator in it. I don't understand how anyone can make a call for divine help without including the name of Allah, even if they also seek intercession of the Prophet and his purified progeny? 

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1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Instead of 'Ya Ali' all the time, why not any variant like ' O Allah, i ask you by right of Ali' or 'O Allah, i turn to you through Ali. O Ali, intercede for me before Allah'?  

Can you elaborate who says "Ya Ali" all the time? 

I am agree with you on this.

34 minutes ago, erik said:

why i never thought about becoming shia was because i felt like shias have call upon Ali more than Allah, alhamdulillah im now a shia and i understand the concept of calling upon the imams and the prophets but I still think some people abuse of it and place the imams in the part of their hearts where belongs only to Allah

Who is Ali (a.s)? Do he hold any position other than the "wali" of Allah & "wasi" of the Prophet of Allah?

Do we know him as god? Or we know him as the helper of God?

Allah (s.w.t) cannot be replaced by anyone. These blessed personalities are a form of dhikr within themselves that's why we have ahadith mentioning that the dhikr of Ali is ibadah.

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36 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Brother Erik, while many Ashari/Maturidi Sunnis  as well as Shias, do say things like 'Ya Muhammad' with the intention you are asking Allah to accept the intercession of Muhammed (saw) and that only Allah truly grants, by his will , the reality is, you don't have to do that. If you live your life, and call out to Allah, for the sake of Muhammed and his purified progeny, and ask Allah to accept their intercession from you, and use the Duas the Prophet and Imams (asws) have given to us to recite in Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua, no-one can blame you.

And if someone decides to say 'Ya Muhammad' , then why not do it in the way mentioned 'O Allah, i ask you by right of Muhammed, O Messenger of Allah , i turn to Allah through you. O Allah accept the intercession of your slave and Prophet (saw) and grant me my need'? A lot of people abuse this concept. Even if we accept it is permissible, does that mean in the ways it is carried out by a number of people that it necessarily constitutes best practise?

I just can't imagine making a Dua, even with Tawassul, and not including my creator in it. I don't understand how anyone can make a call for divine help without including the name of Allah, even if they also seek intercession of the Prophet and his purified progeny? 

the only time i would not include my creator in a dua during tawassul  is if im asking  an imam or prophet  to pray for me otherwise i would mention Allah if I seek divine help coz only Allah divinely helps

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38 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

These blessed personalities are a form of dhikr within themselves that's why we have ahadith mentioning that the dhikr of Ali is ibadah.

Coming from my personal view i see Imam Ali (as) as the most knowledgeable after Prophet Muhammad and the most pious and someone worth to be asked to pray for us but no more than that i dont agree when people focus too much on Ali theres a difference between having love for someone and being too obsessed with someone to the point that we considee them as a refuge for us, our refuge is Allah and Allah alone, we should ask the imams and prophets to pray for us but not consider them having attributes of Allah which is being most merciful etc

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1 hour ago, erik said:

i dont agree when people focus too much on Ali theres a difference between having love for someone and being too obsessed with someone to the point that we considee them as a refuge for us, our refuge is Allah and Allah alone,

Yes, Allah is our refuge. No doubt about that. But I am unable to understand your point of "being too much obsessed with". As already mentioned Ali is the waliullah & wasi of rasoolullah for us. Not lesser or greater than that. And we have following commands of Prophet:

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم:  مَثَلُ اَهلِ بَيتي كَمَثَلِ سَفينَةِ نُوحٍ مَن رَكِبَها فَقَد نَجى وَ مَن تَخَلَّفَ عَنها فَقَد هَلَكَ.  روى هذا الحديث ثمانية من الصحابة و ثمانية من التابعين و ستين من الحفاظ والعلماء… و اكثر من 90 نفر من مؤلفى اهل السنة راجع مشكاة المصابيح ص 523 عن احمد بن حنبل و فرائدالسِّمطَين ج2 ص242 والصواعق المحرقه ص234 و عيون الاخبار ج1 ص211 و غيرها من مصادرالفريقين وان شئت راجع نفحات الازهار ج4 ص127.

The parable of my Ahlul-Bayt is similar to that of Noah's Ark. Whosoever embarks it certainly will get rescued, but the one who opposes the boarding of it, surely gets drowned."  (This tradition has been narrated by eight companions of the Prophet [p.b.u.h.] and eight persons from the disciples of the companions, and by sixty well-known scholars, and more than 90 authors from the brothers os Sunni school, mentioned in Mishkat-ul-Masabih, p.523, from Ahmad-ibn-Hanbal; Fara'id-us-Simtayn, vol.2, p. 242; As-Sawaiq-ul-Muharraqah, p.234; Uyun-ul-Akhbar, Vol.1, p.211; and others from the references of both schools, which if you wish to refer to, are, mentioned in Nafahat-ul-Azhar, vol.4, p.127.

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم: يُوشَكُ اَن اُدعى فَاُجيبُ, اِنّي تارِك فِيكُم الثقَلَينِ كِتابَ الله وَ عِترَتي , كِتابُ الله حَبلٌ مَمـدُودٌ مِنَ السَّماءِ اِلَى الاَرضِ وَ عِترَتي أهلُ بَيتي وَ اِنّ اللّطيفَ الخَبيرَ اَخبَرَني أ نّهُما لَن يَفتَرِقا حَتّى يَـرِدا عَلَيَّ الحَـوضَ فَانظُـرُوا بِماذا تَخلُفُونّي وَ في حَديثٍ آخَر: لَن تَضِلّوا ما اِن تَمَسّكتُم بِهِما.  نَقَلَ هذَا الحَديثِ اَكثَرُ مِن عِشرين صَحابيّاً وَ ما يُقارِبُ مِن 185 راوياً مِن رُواة الحَديثِ راجِع كِتاب صحيح مسلم ج 2 ص 238 و مُسند احمد بن حنبَل ج5 ص182-181 و صحيح الترمذى ج2 ص220 وغيرها مِن مصادر الفريقين و اِن شِئتَ راجع نفحات الازهار فى خلاصة عَبَقات الاَنوار ج1 ص210-199.

The Messenger of Allah said: "It is probable that I be called soon and I will respond. Then, I leave behind me among you two weighty (very worthy and important) things: The Book of Allah (i.e. the Qur'an), which is a stretched string from the heaven to the earth, and my progeny, my Ahlul-Bait; for verily Allah, The Merciful, the Aware, informed me that never, never, will these two get separated from each other until they meet me at the Houd of Kauthar (the Pond of Abundance). Therefore, be careful how you will treat due to those two in my absence."  And, in another tradition it is added: "Never, never, shall you get astray if you attach yourselves to these TWO." This tradition is narrated by more than twenty persons from the companions of the Prophet [p.b.u.h.] and it is also narrated by over 185 narrators mentioned in Sahih Muslim, vol. 2, p. 238 & Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, vol.5, p. 181-182; Sahih-i-Tarmathi, vol.2, p.220, and others from the references of both schools which, if you like to see, are mentioned on pp. 199 to 210, vol. 1, in Nafahat-ul-Azhar fi Khulasat-i-Abaqat-ul-Anwar.

 قالَ رَسُولُ اللهِصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم: مَثَلُ أَهلِ بَيتي في اُمَّتي مَثَلُ سَفينَة نُوحٍ مَن رَكِبَها نَجا وَ مَن رَغِبَ عَنها هَلَكَ.

The Holy Prophet [p.b.u.h.] said: "The likeness of my Ahlul-Bayt (progeny) amongst my Ummah (followers) is similar to Noah's Ark. Those who embarked on it were rescued and those who rejected it perished...." Bihar-ul-Anwar, vol. 27, p. 113 

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهِصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم: زَيِّنُوا مَجالِسَكُم بِذِكرِ عَلِىِّ بنِ أَبي طالِبٍ. 

The Holy Prophet [p.b.u.h.] said: "Make your gatherings lively with the remembrance of Ali-ibn-Abi-Talib." (Talk about the excellencies of Ali [a.s.]). Bihar-ul-Anwar, vol. 38, p. 199

قالَ رَسُولُ اللهِصلی الله عليه و آله و سلم: أَدِّبُوا اَولادَكُم عَلى ثـَلاثٍ: حُـبِّ نَبِيِّكُم وَ حُـبِّ أَهـلِ بَيتِـهِ وَ عَلى قِراءَةِ القُرآنِ.

The Holy Prophet [p.b.u.h.] said: "Train your children in three things: the love of your Prophet, the love of his progeny, i.e. Ahlul-Bayt, and recitation of the Qur'an." AI-Jami'-ul-Saghir, vol. 1, p. 14 

قالَ الإمامُ الصّادِقُعليه السلام: اِنَّ فَوقَ كُلِّ عِبادَة عِبادَة وَ حُبُّنا أَهلَ البَيتِ أَفضَلُ عِبادَةٍ.

Imam Sadiq [a.s.] said: "Verily, there are various degrees of serving Allah, but affection (and cordial inclination) for us, Ahlul Bayt, is the highest one." Bihar-ul-Anwar, vol. 27, p. 91

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

I don't personally do it. Sufficient for me are the way the Aimmah have asked us to perform Dua in Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua, where they go into detail about every condition required or beneficial for Dua, and every way and manner of expression in Dua, and a large number of beautiful Duas. One Majhul tradition has 'Ya Muhammad' in it, but it also has the name of Allah in it too in the same sentence and phrased in an acceptable manner. I'm not claiming it's shirk with the right intention, but for sure we have many people who are abusing the whole concept. Permissible, perhaps, constitutes best practise as is done by some people today? Allah knows best.

EDIT: I don't see any major issue with Dua Tawassul. Nade Ali on the other hand, is something i would never recite, have never recited, and inshAllah, will never recite. I would not recite that if i was paid.

what do you mean what is wrong with Nade Ali ? taking help from Allah Swt most closest Wali its nothing wrong it and no Ayatollah never talked against it ?

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14 hours ago, erik said:

 

Brother I 100% agree with u, Im a convert to Islam and I became shia less than a year ago and one of the reasons why i never thought about becoming shia was because i felt like shias have call upon Ali more than Allah, alhamdulillah im now a shia and i understand the concept of calling upon the imams and the prophets but I still think some people abuse of it and place the imams in the part of their hearts where belongs only to Allah. I think we should remember that Imam Ali was a slave of Allah and he taught us to have a special love for Allah that we cant have with any of the prophets or imams.

salaam brother,

As with most things in life, shia islam also has a normal distribution in terms of beliefs. 80% of shias know tawassul and how to use and how to apply. 10% don't belief in tawassul at all; 10% may be overdoing it. We should not form any opinions on what the minority does or believe but on the overwhelming majority.

Your question was very specific - is tawassul allowed and can we say "Ya Muhammad". The answer to both questions is a resounding yes. I think getting into a discussion about Ali versus Allah requires its own topic.

Almost all shia will unanimously agree that there is no comparison between Creator and Creation so unlike what you may have been told, Ya Ali and Ya Allah are not in competition with each other. Ali is the rope of Allah and Allah himself has said to use the rope of Allah to get closer to Allah.

On a side note, the sahaba and aswaj (wives) of the Prophet (saw) used his cloak and drinking cup for tawassul after his demise.

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1 minute ago, iraqi_shia said:

Which is Allahuma .... not Ya Muhammad, big difference. 

يَا ابَا ٱلْقَاسِمِ

يَا رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ يَا إِمَامَ ٱلرَّحْمَةِ

يَا سَيِّدَنَا وَمَوْلاَنَا

إِنَّا تَوَجَّهْنَا وَٱسْتَشْفَعْنَا

وَتَوَسَّلْنَا بِكَ إِلَىٰ ٱللَّهِ

وَقَدَّمْنَاكَ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ حَاجَاتِنَا

يَا وَجِيهاً عِنْدَ ٱللَّهِ

إِشْفَعْ لَنَا عِنْدَ ٱللَّهِ

 

O Abul-Qasim, O Messenger of Allah O guide of mercy, O intercessor of the community, O our chief, O our master, We turn towards thee, seek thy intercession and advocacy before Allah, we put before you our open need; O intimate of Allah, Stand by us when Allah sits in judgment over us.

Perhaps we read different Dua-e-tawassul.

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4 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

As with most things in life, shia islam also has a normal distribution in terms of beliefs. 80% of shias know tawassul and how to use and how to apply. 10% don't belief in tawassul at all; 10% may be overdoing it. We should not form any opinions on what the minority does or believe but on the overwhelming majority.

Your question was very specific - is tawassul allowed and can we say "Ya Muhammad". The answer to both questions is a resounding yes. I think getting into a discussion about Ali versus Allah requires its own topic.

Almost all shia will unanimously agree that there is no comparison between Creator and Creation so unlike what you may have been told, Ya Ali and Ya Allah are not in competition with each other. Ali is the rope of Allah and Allah himself has said to use the rope of Allah to get closer to Allah.

On a side note, the sahaba and aswaj (wives) of the Prophet (saw) used his cloak and drinking cup for tawassul after his demise

100% agree brother

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8 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

يَا ابَا ٱلْقَاسِمِ

يَا رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ يَا إِمَامَ ٱلرَّحْمَةِ

يَا سَيِّدَنَا وَمَوْلاَنَا

إِنَّا تَوَجَّهْنَا وَٱسْتَشْفَعْنَا

وَتَوَسَّلْنَا بِكَ إِلَىٰ ٱللَّهِ

وَقَدَّمْنَاكَ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ حَاجَاتِنَا

يَا وَجِيهاً عِنْدَ ٱللَّهِ

إِشْفَعْ لَنَا عِنْدَ ٱللَّهِ

 

O Abul-Qasim, O Messenger of Allah O guide of mercy, O intercessor of the community, O our chief, O our master, We turn towards thee, seek thy intercession and advocacy before Allah, we put before you our open need; O intimate of Allah, Stand by us when Allah sits in judgment over us.

Perhaps we read different Dua-e-tawassul.

No, your just missed out the first part.

 

بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

اَللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ

O Allah, I beseech Thee, and turn towards Thee, through Thy Prophet, the Prophet of Mercy, Muhammad, may Allah Bless him and his Progeny, and grant them peace.

اَللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي اسْالُكَ وَاتَوَجَّهُ إِلَيْكَ

بِنَبِيِّكَ نَبِيِّ ٱلرَّحْمَةِ

مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ

 
 
 
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On 12 March 2018 at 8:10 PM, Intellectual Resistance said:

I don't personally do it. Sufficient for me are the way the Aimmah have asked us to perform Dua in Kitab al-Kafi, book of Dua, where they go into detail about every condition required or beneficial for Dua, and every way and manner of expression in Dua, and a large number of beautiful Duas. One Majhul tradition has 'Ya Muhammad' in it, but it also has the name of Allah in it too in the same sentence and phrased in an acceptable manner. I'm not claiming it's shirk with the right intention, but for sure we have many people who are abusing the whole concept. Permissible, perhaps, constitutes best practise as is done by some people today? Allah knows best.

EDIT: I don't see any major issue with Dua Tawassul. Nade Ali on the other hand, is something i would never recite, have never recited, and inshAllah, will never recite. I would not recite that if i was paid.

As salam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatahu, can you please share the best way of dua mentioned in the book...? :)

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