Can't shake the paganistic rites/rituals/tradition

[iraqi_shia]

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Well you don't support tatbir but you are not their either...I figured it would become a Indo-European thing. How about the thousands of Arabs who do qama. How many of them are helping the Rohingya? 

Yes, but im not making any public shows and claiming that Im so religious this is the only way I can show it. Its just so silly. Listen Arabs have lots of problems, and Im not lumping this one with just Indians. 

 

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

My theory is you are just another shia who sits around judging other shias.

If I was like you, I would sit around and judge all the Iraqis who create Ashura plays and say they are " actually not motivated by serious and deep respect for the Imam  " but I am not like you. I respect the mourner and not question his/her sincerity. 

No, I think your theory is wrong, and its just your way of covering up for your own baseless position.

Im not going around judging people, Im saying that some people who do the most ridiculous and illogical things in public, are making all of us look bad.

I think in this day and age we really have to take a look at our selves and communities and think , if the Prophet SAW was here right now, would he be happy with these things? Would he be joining us doing them?, or would he be trying to reform them?

 

[ShiaMan14]

8 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

Yes, but im not making any public shows and claiming that Im so religious this is the only way I can show it. Its just so silly. Listen Arabs have lots of problems, and Im not lumping this one with just Indians. 

 

Hmmm, you called out Indian Pakistani very specifically....

10 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

No, I think your theory is wrong, and its just your way of covering up for your own baseless position.

My baseless position? My position is that if one's marja allows something, why would I restrict them from it. So essentially you are saying the Maria's position is baseless.

 

11 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

Im not going around judging people, Im saying that some people who do the most ridiculous and illogical things in public, are making all of us look bad.

I expanded even further than tatbir that any religious act Subject to ridicule should be done in private. I cited women praying public as an example.

Your inherent biases are making you not read before writing.

[iraqi_shia]

1 minute ago, ShiaMan14 said:

My baseless position? My position is that if one's marja allows something, why would I restrict them from it. So essentially you are saying the Maria's position is baseless.

 

Marja is for law, not for ethics. They will tell you what is illegal, but not what is rude or inconsiderate. Even this issue is now becoming a matter of legality as its so damaging.

Who is your marja ?

 

4 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Hmmm, you called out Indian Pakistani very specifically....

18 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

 

In the Uk, they are the only ones I have seen engaging in it. But for example if tomorrow it was only doing by Iranians or another group, my position would not change. 

3 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Your inherent biases are making you not read before writing.

I notice you prefer to attack me rather than deal with the points I have raised. Either way, I feel there is little point continuing discussing with you as you appear to be on train tacks in your ideology. Its a shame that reason has no value in your mind and your culture seems to supersede all.

What fortune you are a Muslim now and not a polytheist at the Prophets SAW time, as your attitude would have left you in ignorance and failure.

[ShiaMan14]

46 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

Marja is for law, not for ethics. They will tell you what is illegal, but not what is rude or inconsiderate. Even this issue is now becoming a matter of legality as its so damaging.

Who is your marja ?

Countless marja permit it; countless marja permit it as long as it is acceptable in the region where you reside. 

What they say and what I am saying is that you separate the act from the locality.

Salah is wajib; salah on usurped land is batil.

Act of tatbir = permissible

Act of tatbir in a place where it is not appropriate/allowed != impermissible

50 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

In the Uk, they are the only ones I have seen engaging in it. But for example if tomorrow it was only doing by Iranians or another group, my position would not change.

That is a cop out if I have ever seen one. No one said this topic was specifically about UK and you didn't preface your original statement with UK-Indians and UK-Pakistanis.

51 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

I notice you prefer to attack me rather than deal with the points I have raised. Either way, I feel there is little point continuing discussing with you as you appear to be on train tacks in your ideology. Its a shame that reason has no value in your mind and your culture seems to supersede all.

Since you are on the track of noticing things, go back a page and see where you initiate the personal attacks. Perhaps, then you won't cry wolf.

53 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

What fortune you are a Muslim now and not a polytheist at the Prophets SAW time, as your attitude would have left you in ignorance and failure.

While I am fortunate, same can't be said of those who still think of Arab superiority over ajam. But then even the Prophet (saw) couldn't root out the ignorance from everyone.

[AnotherShepherd]