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I don't know what happened and where it happened and if anything is happened at all. But, don't pay attention to these "he was arrested for criticizing the Leader" or "he was arrested for being a Christian" or "he was arrested for criticizing the Welayat Faqih" etc. etc. These are common things we hear in the media by anti-Iran individuals and sources. No one would be arrested for these things. Although majority of Ulama in Iran believe in the concept of Welayat Faqih, there are a few people who question it. Their debates also exist in the internet. No one is arrested for just being a critic of Welayat Faqih.

Don't trust in these things about Iran in the media. Don't trust anything you hear and see in the media against Iran at all.

16 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Happened in Qom. 

 When his funny and Hollywood and Bollywodish story began with the "by the order of Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei" nothing more is needed at least for me to understand how Muawiah-like these liars are. May Allah give them what they deserve.

Their next news for the story?!:

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2 hours ago, kirtc said:

really no difference between shirazis and wahhabis.. 

Wow. I challenge you to say no difference between Abu Bakr and Abu Lahab.

WaAllahi the lie and hypocrisy is strong with this one.

2 hours ago, kirtc said:

WF is the only working shia govt resisting Zionism, and helping the oppressed. All shia who work against them are working against themselves.. you dont have to love WF, or be part of it.. no one is asking you to. It is a working, functioning govt. that has saved countries, and shias across the world.

I’m not against Wilayah al-Faqih (like I was before). Since you’re very knowledgeable, can you tell me the difference between Absolute Wilayatul Faqih and Shuratul Fuqaha? Akhi, you cannot have a Shuratul Fuqaha without having Absolute Wilayah al Faqih.

Smh. I clearly said that I respect the I.R of Iran.

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3 hours ago, kirtc said:

do you really think the beef is about one fatwa allowing to curse or not.. 

I was addressing @Ashvazdanghe when he said Shirazis are the cause of so much death of Shias in Iraq and Syria. To which my response is Iran champions a pro-unity stance but its opinion is dreadful in most Arab countries except in countries with larger Shiite populations. Whether you curse or not, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

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7 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Nice logic tbh. 

We don’t need “Sunni”-Shi'a hatred. We need Shi'a-Shi'a hatred.

We don’t need none of them but Shirazis start spreading shia-shia hatred.

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Two:

9 hours ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

Wow

@MuslimahAK

Don’t listen to such Iranian propaganda. Though I have respect for Iran, some people in this Forum are hypocritical. They refuse to call the enemies of Ahlulbayt (asws) liars and bad people, yet call a marja taqleed. Call Abu Bakr and Umar a liar, and you’ll see the reaction of the mods.

WaAllahi, Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is patient with people like you. People who can’t even write properly English, try to spread “Islamic Pulse” videos, known for their roots. 

I have responded to such claims so many times, I’ll not bother responding anymore. I challenge anyone who has enmity towards Shirazi ulama to PM me.

Btw, as per your info, Absolute Wilayah al Faqih is part of the Shirazi theory of governance, except that they believe in the application of Shura i.e Shura al Fuqaha. Your ignorance exceeds the limits akhi.

Bro, l had viliyat-I-faqih in college taught by a Farsi specialist who focused on the religious aspects. But we didn't have "Shura-I-Shura al-Fuqaha". Can you give me a reference to read or study?

4 hours ago, kirtc said:

do you really think the beef is about one fatwa allowing to curse or not.. 

Cursing is something to be careful about. The two most applicable ayateen are 2:159 and 5:78. Please note that Allah-s.w.t. did these through Daood-a.s. and lsa-a.s. and not on their own authority.

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9 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Bro, l had viliyat-I-faqih in college taught by a Farsi specialist who focused on the religious aspects. But we didn't have "Shura-I-Shura al-Fuqaha". Can you give me a reference to read or study?

Here akhi:

aspects_of_the_political.pdf

 

 

the_islamic_system.pdf

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7 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Bro, l had viliyat-I-faqih in college taught by a Farsi specialist who focused on the religious aspects. But we didn't have "Shura-I-Shura al-Fuqaha". Can you give me a reference to read or study?

Salam it was just an idea between shia scholars after Iran revolution that is just mentioned in some rare speech’s the reviving of Idea of W F started by a book by Imam Khomeini (ra) as Islamic Government: Governance of the Jurist Book 

 

ولایت فقیه (کتاب)

 

ولایت فقیه یا نامه‌ای از امام موسوی کاشف‌الغطاء یا حکومت اسلامی[۱] مجموعه‌ای از ۱۳ درس‌گفتار روح‌الله خمینی در حوزه علمیه نجف در مبحث «ولایت فقیه» است که در بهمن ۱۳۴۸ ایراد شده‌اند. این کتاب در سال ۱۳۴۹ برای نخستین بار در بیروت چاپ و به ایران فرستاده شد و در سال ۱۳۵۶ با ضمیمه سخنرانی دیگری به نام <<Jahad Akbar>>was an attachment to it>>«جهاد اکبر» به طور رسمی در ایران چاپ و پس از آن نیز بارها تجدید چاپ شد. ترجمهٔ این کتاب اولین بار در سال ۱۹۷۰ به چاپ رسید و احتمالاً تأثیرگذارترین سند نوشتاری‌ای است که در دوران مدرن در حمایت از حکومت دینی نوشته شده.[۲]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Government:_Governance_of_the_Jurist

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8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

From speaking to Shirazi fans myself, their argument usually is since the death of the prophet, no matter how nice the Shiite imams were, the Sunnis of the time always had issues with them, so what difference does it make whether or not we are loud in condemning Sunnis or not? We're disliked anyway. Iran's opinion in Sunni majority countries is awful even though it champions a pro-unity stance, mainly because of the war in Syria. A recent AJ poll showed in a war between Iran and Israel, Qataris supported Israel by 56-44% and in a war between Hezbollah and Israel, they would support Israel by 73-27%. 

As someone who is deeply entrenched in the Sunni community, who has extensive networks with Sunnis, and half of whose family are Sunnis, i would politely disagree with some of the things you have mentioned.

The Sunnis of the time of our Aimmah were a little different to the Sunnis we have today - not that it matters in what i am going to say, but i need to establish this. Those Sunnis were mostly ignorant of Shia Islam, fed a lot of lies, often were against the Banu-Hashim, and saw the Alids as a threat to their rule and authority. The enmity towards our Aimmah and their followers truly saw its root in very deep political and geographical divides.  However, with time we now have populations who claim to love our Aimmah. Even Ibn Taymiyyah himself regarded the first seven Aimmah as great scholars. Therefore we aren't truly discussing the same populations here. Even then, people like Imam Jaffer as Sadiq (as) were actually respected by people then, but their followers had bigger issues.

Now, to discuss your main point, let me tell you something my Salafi cousin recently told me.

He said (paraphrasing): "There is a way to go about discussing sensitive issues. Some so-called Salafi speakers call out people and claim they are Kuffar and revile and abuse them. You know if someone is an Atheist or a non-Muslim and rejects Islam out of arrogance, it may be that they will go to hell unless they reform. But you don't go to them and start saying 'You Kuffar, son of a Kuffar, you will enter hell where you will be tortured for your arrogance and deviance'. There's a hikmah in engaging with discussion. Similarly, extreme Shias often don't know that you can have a deviant belief, and people will be upset you may or may not hold it, but so long as you keep it to yourself, don't abuse or revile personalities, and discuss things in civil way, people will just deal with you on how you outwardly are. Now if you hold a deviant belief the problem becomes something between you and Allah. The moment you start to publicly abuse, revile, malign, talk in a disrespectful way, you now turn a deviant belief into a public Fitnah, and there is an enormous difference in that'.

Anti-Shiite views have actually come from the group that performs self-mutilation. You see gore and blood and even babies not spared and are abused by parents who take dirty butcher knives and cut their scalps. You then have the most foul-mouthed speakers and their followers online and offline who abuse, insult, revile and talk about sensitive issues in a manner that causes enormous furore and problems, goes viral, and is what people remember.  Of course , people will not look favourably upon Shias anyway, but you go from being tolerated and having a symbiotic and mutual respectful relationship, to one where you become enemies. 

I can tell you, from my experience, my extensive communication with Sunnis, and the like, it makes an enormous difference. Even a forum like Shiachat, when people started foolishly insulting Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, comparing them to Donald Trump and reviling them in other ways, that thread made the rounds on Sunni forums, and i came on here and questioned how on earth a thread like that is even allowed. It caused damage, and people actually performed L'anah on the ones who were doing it. People don't realise that how you say something, how you talk, and what you bring into the public can have devastating consequences. 

Some people think that they're brave by abusing revered symbols of other schools, and i've often found many of such individuals couldn't write their name in Arabic, couldn't tell you the name of the first six Surahs of the Quran, and really have formed cults. 

Edited by Intellectual Resistance

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15 hours ago, Hassan- said:

First of all if they hahve arrested him based on this then i feel sorry for him. Islam doesn't allow you to arrest people because they said something about your leader. People use to stone Prophet PBUHP but he never arrested them. 

If they arrested him because he was spreading wrong information then they should give him fair chance to defend himself. 

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The first people who will rejoice at the anti-Sayed Khamanei crowd are the Salafis, who loathe any symbol of Shia strength and independence. They will love people in our Madhab not only promoting acts like Tatbir which drive many away and do their work for them, not only 'expose out Taqqiyah' by abusing revered symbols as they like to phrase themselves  and accuse us, but strike Gold and match all three by going against Shia authorities of symbol and strength that are keeping the ME stable away from Takfiri-Imperialist rampage. 

SubhanAllah, it's like paying for your wife to go on a date with a man who killed your family. It's absurd. How do i know this? I have Salafi family, i interact with them regularly, and they love people like this. You do their job for them, you weaken the Shias, and for that, although you are 'Dirty Majoosi Rafidhas' who they will target anyway, they do grudgingly thank you for being our trojan horse.

 

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@Intellectual Resistance

As’salamu alaikum 

I’m going to respond very quickly. You kinda committed a specific fallacy akhi. The brother Mohammed cited very interesting sources which are relevant to such discussions, unlike arguments from experience.

Otherwise I can as well recall from experience. Most Sunnis I have spoken to (without insulting their symbols) takfired me because I didn’t accept the 3 “Khulafa”. Remember, not because of Tatbir or La'na, but because I said Imam Ali (as) was the first Khalif.

Anyways, all best akhi, and may Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى guide your family! Allahuma sali ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad! Ameen!

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really no difference between shirazis and wahhabis.. 
 

Come on brother, that is not nice at all. Among the Shirazis are really God fearing Mu'mins. Yes some of them may say bad about other scholars, but we should always unity and try to fix our differences and not be among those who transgress. 

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but with these type of shia we are not ready for the Imam.

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Are any of us even ready for the Imam (atf)? We are still working hard for it.

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On 3/7/2018 at 11:02 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it was just an idea between shia scholars after Iran revolution that is just mentioned in some rare speech’s the reviving of Idea of W F started by a book by Imam Khomeini (ra) as Islamic Government: Governance of the Jurist Book ...

l was wrong, we did have this. Didn't recognize it after so long.

This is also on SC:

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30 minutes ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

@Intellectual Resistance

As’salamu alaikum 

I’m going to respond very quickly. You kinda committed a specific fallacy akhi. The brother Mohammed cited very interesting sources which are relevant to such discussions, unlike arguments from experience.

Otherwise I can as well recall from experience. Most Sunnis I have spoken to (without insulting their symbols) takfired me because I didn’t accept the 3 “Khulafa”. Remember, not because of Tatbir or La'na, but because I said Imam Ali (as) was the first Khalif.

Anyways, all best akhi, and may Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى guide your family! Allahuma sali ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad! Ameen!

Walaykum Salaam dear brother,

In my post, i actually cited experience and specifically outlined the arguments to that. I'm also very careful about just buying anecdotal accounts, but if you have a re-read of my post you can see that an argument is actually built. 

And Ilahiameen.

 

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50 minutes ago, Ron_Burgundy said:

First of all if they hahve arrested him based on this then i feel sorry for him. Islam doesn't allow you to arrest people because they said something about your leader. People use to stone Prophet PBUHP but he never arrested them. 

If they arrested him because he was spreading wrong information then they should give him fair chance to defend himself. 

He just not spreading wron information  ,he warned many times for his actions also Imam Khamenei called them Londonian shias  & his speeches said that they & American Sunni extrimists are two blades of a one scissor but he wasn't care & their group increased their activities from start of Muharam specialy in Arbaeen walking an Iranian that I know was working in Iraq see & said how much they do propoganda among pilgrims to spread shia shia hatred there. 

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1 hour ago, SheikhAlHabib'fan said:

@Intellectual Resistance

As’salamu alaikum 

I’m going to respond very quickly. You kinda committed a specific fallacy akhi. The brother Mohammed cited very interesting sources which are relevant to such discussions, unlike arguments from experience.

Otherwise I can as well recall from experience. Most Sunnis I have spoken to (without insulting their symbols) takfired me because I didn’t accept the 3 “Khulafa”. Remember, not because of Tatbir or La'na, but because I said Imam Ali (as) was the first Khalif.

Anyways, all best akhi, and may Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى guide your family! Allahuma sali ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad! Ameen!

Thank you for speaking in a respectful way to me by the way. I've become rather disillusioned when people turn dispute into personal issues on these forums and form grudges. I respect someone i can disagree with but knows that beyond that, we'll talk respectfully to one another.  I still disagree with your position, but i'm much more receptive to reflecting on it when you talk like that.

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On 3/6/2018 at 6:10 PM, Mohamed1993 said:

Happened in Qom. 

The  video posted by @Mohamed1993 showed a man who was reading serious charges against government officials and he was actually smiling. I won't quote the video, but this is a screen capture of him:

arrested shirazi.jpg

The same man was shown in the video posted by @Ashvazdanghe, and again, he was smiling. 

arrested shirazi 2.jpg

Think how upset everyone is about this topic. None of us are smiling. The man in both of the videos should be sad to be reading such accusations, not smiling while reading that. This is beyond belief. 

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On 3/7/2018 at 7:51 PM, Hameedeh said:

Think how upset everyone is about this topic. None of us are smiling. The man in both of the videos should be sad to be reading such accusations, not smiling while reading that. This is beyond belief. 

Salam they are expert in propaganda and now they can show themselves as oppressed & victims.

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I apologize if this was considered spreading rumors. I had read it from an ahlul bayt page on FB. And I was shocked and wanted to know more. I have a hard time finding out how to confirm knowledge in other countries as I have no friends, online, that live in Iraq or Iran. 

I apologize for any drama or anything . 

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7 minutes ago, MuslimahAK said:

I apologize if this was considered spreading rumors. I had read it from an ahlul bayt page on FB. And I was shocked and wanted to know more. I have a hard time finding out how to confirm knowledge in other countries as I have no friends, online, that live in Iraq or Iran. 

I apologize for any drama or anything . 

the story is true. 

but dont be shocked. the man deserves jail. 

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Today both among Sunnis and Shias there  are elements working to separate Muslims from each other. (Imam Khamenei)

Creating discord in the world of Islam is the main policies of arrogant powers Ayt Khamenei Eng

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http://ifpnews.com/exclusive/attackers-storm-irans-embassy-london/

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/838493/چه-کسانی-به-سفارت-ایران-در-لندن-حمله-کردند

Shirazi cult attacking Iran embassy in London, chanting anti-Iran slogans, raising their flag, cursing sunni caliphs!

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