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On 11/7/2023 at 1:42 AM, Diaz said:

That’s the problem, they are starting slowing so that people can normalize it. 

 

On 11/6/2023 at 10:02 AM, Diaz said:

astagfirullah, instead of doing something to the palestinians, ther r paying for hindu people to dance where islam started, may allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse the hypocrites rulers eternally. 

True! many Sunni sheikhs are not doing good things, in Saudi Arabia. I don't know if the severe weather conditions are related to this. If they are doing these bad things, then we should not consider them Muslims! 

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Cultural genocide for Muslims

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Blazwick has been a leading force in British art over the past three decades: in 1992, she gave Damien Hirst his first major public London show, at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, and she played a significant role in the creation of Tate Modern. She is now overseeing Wadi AlFann, or Valley of the Arts, a park of land art to be made out of 65 sq kilometres (25 sq miles) of AlUla’s scenic desert. Here three venerable giants of the genre, Agnes Denes, James Turrell and Michael Heizer, with the Saudi artists Manal AlDowayan and Ahmed Mater, are planning to carve and build their large creations out of the rock and sand. It will take to the limit the proposition that art can change the world for the better.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/dec/03/saudi-arabia-gigaprojects-mohammed-bin-salman-the-line-iwona-blazwick

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National news in the United States is that Saudi Arabia has begun selling alcohol in Riyadh for non-Muslims. Please don't give me the sad reaction; I am just the messenger. 

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i dont understand, why if they need help go to one of their top sheikhs and ask for a wazifa to become a rich and prosperous nation.i know it may sound sillly, but look at it this way, they could say Oh Allah, our oil resources are finite, we have invested in whatever we can, we dont want to invest in any thing haram, please help us become a nation of prosperity.one of their sheikhs could give them a wazifa or ritual to do to become prosperous without holding concerts or selling alcohol.

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3 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

National news in the United States is that Saudi Arabia has begun selling alcohol in Riyadh for non-Muslims. Please don't give me the sad reaction; I am just the messenger. 

 

Yes, according to Reuters. 

 

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RIYADH, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is preparing to open its first alcohol store in the capital Riyadh which will serve exclusively non-Muslim diplomats, according to a source familiar with the plans and a document.

Customers will have to register via a mobile app, get a clearance code from the foreign ministry, and respect monthly quotas with their purchases, said the document, which was seen by Reuters.

The move is a milestone in the kingdom's efforts, led by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to open the ultra-conservative Muslim country for tourism and business as drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islam.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-prepares-open-first-alcohol-store-diplomats-2024-01-24/

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11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Sounds future Malaysia. Hijaz (Area of Mekka and Medina) should be made as independent country, removed from Saudi Arabia.

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55 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Sounds future Malaysia. Hijaz (Area of Mekka and Medina) should be made as independent country, removed from Saudi Arabia.

This was actually a plan:

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The U.S. and Israel have mobilized to execute their plans to divide Saudi Arabia into four states, following the announcement that the kingdom will begin to promote “moderate Islam” under King Salman.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/the-plan-to-split-saudi-arabia-into-four-regions-2798154

 

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1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

nonsense, it’s not hard for someone to pay for non Muslim man so that man can buy alcohol and sell it to Muslims. This is just an excuse because MBS want more money and these people do not have any issue paying. 

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First Saudi Liquor Store To Open After 70-Year-Long Ban

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Since its official ban in 1952, the only avenue through which booze could make its way to Saudi soil was via diplomatic pouches: personal containers carried by embassy staff with specific legal restrictions that make them immune from search and seizure by third parties.

 

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The store, which will be located in Riyadh’s Diplomatic Quarter, will aim at providing controlled and regulated access to formerly banned drinks for those with appropriate credentials

 

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According to circulating reports, prospective customers will need to be above the age of 21, register online through a mobile app, and receive clearance from local authorities before being able to purchase alcohol from the store.

 

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Although it remains unclear how the store’s opening will impact local norms and values, the nation’s historic shift in stance only seems to indicate a gradual reconsideration of its approach to practices that were up until now deemed as Islamically impermissible.

https://www.milleworld.com/first-saudi-liquor-store-to-open-after-70-year-long-ban/

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Salaam,

This hadith is from Sunni source:

Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” 

..wonder how this will all play out for them.

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

????????

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1 hour ago, PureExistence1 said:

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

Everything will change for them, from we are not allowed to eat beef or chicken which is slaughtered in non halal way, to they can eat as long as they say bismillah because the chicken or the meat will turn halal once they say it. I mean that’s what my Sunni friend did once.

 

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

First Saudi Liquor Store To Open After 70-Year-Long Ban

 

 

 

https://www.milleworld.com/first-saudi-liquor-store-to-open-after-70-year-long-ban/

I swear now if anyone praise MBS infront of me, I will make sure there will be a little bird flying around their head just like in cartoons.

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2 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

Salaam,

This hadith is from Sunni source:

Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” 

..wonder how this will all play out for them.

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

????????

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

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16 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

Yeah but I think sister pure meant about the owner. In Indonesia there are some hijabi who sell pork and alcohol lol

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36 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

Thats what i said, not the owner(someone who profits off it)

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3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

Now that I look at it, I wrongfully used the word sell. 

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6Question: I am running a store and I have non-Muslim customers who want me to sell them alcoholic drinks. Can a Muslim buy and sell intoxicating alcohol to non-Muslims?

Answer: It is not permissible to buy and sell alcohol.
 
I was told its not permissible even as a cashier because I'd still be taking part in the transaction as a middle man, but i dont know for sure.
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3 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

 

6Question: I am running a store and I have non-Muslim customers who want me to sell them alcoholic drinks. Can a Muslim buy and sell intoxicating alcohol to non-Muslims?

Answer: It is not permissible to buy and sell alcohol.
 
I was told its not permissible even as a cashier because I'd still be taking part in the transaction as a middle man, but i dont know for sure.

I remeber sayed sistani said it's halal to be cashier if there are halal items being sold in a non muslim nation. Correct me if I am wrong. 

You need to check his arabic fatwah too, not the one written in english.

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3 hours ago, Ahmad8888 said:

I remeber sayed sistani said it's halal to be cashier if there are halal items being sold in a non muslim nation. Correct me if I am wrong. 

You need to check his arabic fatwah too, not the one written in english.

Salam brother, if possible can you link the fatwa you read? 

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14 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Vision 2030

WEF Agenda 2030

2030 UN SDGS

im putting on my tinfoil hat. Something smells fishy here :mod:

Or it could just be a nice round even number which is far away enough to give time to people to achieve their goals, but not so far (2050) that people can relax and ignore it. That would apply to the UN SDGS, which I am in favour of. :cuddle:

In the case of Vision 2030 my view is that date has been chosen because the people responsible want to relieve Saudi of its wealth while they still can.

You can't have the UN SDGS and oil states pumping oil at current rates. One or other has to give.

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