Saudi Vision 2030 [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

The problem is that this is likely an attempt to acculturate Saudis to accept various practices everywhere. Let's see in a few years.

Where are the wahhabi salafis taking over the kingdom of kufur? 

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Ahl al-Bayt1Forever]

On 11/7/2023 at 1:42 AM, Diaz said:

That’s the problem, they are starting slowing so that people can normalize it. 

 

On 11/6/2023 at 10:02 AM, Diaz said:

astagfirullah, instead of doing something to the palestinians, ther r paying for hindu people to dance where islam started, may allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse the hypocrites rulers eternally. 

True! many Sunni sheikhs are not doing good things, in Saudi Arabia. I don't know if the severe weather conditions are related to this. If they are doing these bad things, then we should not consider them Muslims! 

[Haji 2003]

Cultural genocide for Muslims

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Blazwick has been a leading force in British art over the past three decades: in 1992, she gave Damien Hirst his first major public London show, at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, and she played a significant role in the creation of Tate Modern. She is now overseeing Wadi AlFann, or Valley of the Arts, a park of land art to be made out of 65 sq kilometres (25 sq miles) of AlUla’s scenic desert. Here three venerable giants of the genre, Agnes Denes, James Turrell and Michael Heizer, with the Saudi artists Manal AlDowayan and Ahmed Mater, are planning to carve and build their large creations out of the rock and sand. It will take to the limit the proposition that art can change the world for the better.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/dec/03/saudi-arabia-gigaprojects-mohammed-bin-salman-the-line-iwona-blazwick

[Hameedeh]

National news in the United States is that Saudi Arabia has begun selling alcohol in Riyadh for non-Muslims. Please don't give me the sad reaction; I am just the messenger. 

[Guest to you]

i dont understand, why if they need help go to one of their top sheikhs and ask for a wazifa to become a rich and prosperous nation.i know it may sound sillly, but look at it this way, they could say Oh Allah, our oil resources are finite, we have invested in whatever we can, we dont want to invest in any thing haram, please help us become a nation of prosperity.one of their sheikhs could give them a wazifa or ritual to do to become prosperous without holding concerts or selling alcohol.

[Haji 2003]

On 1/25/2024 at 12:17 PM, Hameedeh said:

National news in the United States is that Saudi Arabia has begun selling alcohol in Riyadh for non-Muslims. Please don't give me the sad reaction; I am just the messenger. 

Yes, according to Reuters. 

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RIYADH, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is preparing to open its first alcohol store in the capital Riyadh which will serve exclusively non-Muslim diplomats, according to a source familiar with the plans and a document.

Customers will have to register via a mobile app, get a clearance code from the foreign ministry, and respect monthly quotas with their purchases, said the document, which was seen by Reuters.

The move is a milestone in the kingdom's efforts, led by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to open the ultra-conservative Muslim country for tourism and business as drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islam.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-prepares-open-first-alcohol-store-diplomats-2024-01-24/

[Diaz]

lol these kufar started showing their faces. May they rot in hell

[Abu Nur]

On 1/25/2024 at 3:34 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Yes, according to Reuters. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-prepares-open-first-alcohol-store-diplomats-2024-01-24/

Sounds future Malaysia. Hijaz (Area of Mekka and Medina) should be made as independent country, removed from Saudi Arabia.

[Haji 2003]

55 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Sounds future Malaysia. Hijaz (Area of Mekka and Medina) should be made as independent country, removed from Saudi Arabia.

This was actually a plan:

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The U.S. and Israel have mobilized to execute their plans to divide Saudi Arabia into four states, following the announcement that the kingdom will begin to promote “moderate Islam” under King Salman.

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/the-plan-to-split-saudi-arabia-into-four-regions-2798154

 

[Ahmad8888]

[Haji 2003]

https://twitter.com/VisionaryVoid/status/1751255383887548618

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

https://twitter.com/VisionaryVoid/status/1751255383887548618

nonsense, it’s not hard for someone to pay for non Muslim man so that man can buy alcohol and sell it to Muslims. This is just an excuse because MBS want more money and these people do not have any issue paying. 

[Haji 2003]

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

First Saudi Liquor Store To Open After 70-Year-Long Ban

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Since its official ban in 1952, the only avenue through which booze could make its way to Saudi soil was via diplomatic pouches: personal containers carried by embassy staff with specific legal restrictions that make them immune from search and seizure by third parties.

 

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The store, which will be located in Riyadh’s Diplomatic Quarter, will aim at providing controlled and regulated access to formerly banned drinks for those with appropriate credentials

 

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According to circulating reports, prospective customers will need to be above the age of 21, register online through a mobile app, and receive clearance from local authorities before being able to purchase alcohol from the store.

 

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Although it remains unclear how the store’s opening will impact local norms and values, the nation’s historic shift in stance only seems to indicate a gradual reconsideration of its approach to practices that were up until now deemed as Islamically impermissible.

https://www.milleworld.com/first-saudi-liquor-store-to-open-after-70-year-long-ban/

[PureExistence1]

Salaam,

This hadith is from Sunni source:

Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” 

..wonder how this will all play out for them.

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

????????

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, PureExistence1 said:

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

Everything will change for them, from we are not allowed to eat beef or chicken which is slaughtered in non halal way, to they can eat as long as they say bismillah because the chicken or the meat will turn halal once they say it. I mean that’s what my Sunni friend did once.

 

19 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

First Saudi Liquor Store To Open After 70-Year-Long Ban

 

 

 

https://www.milleworld.com/first-saudi-liquor-store-to-open-after-70-year-long-ban/

I swear now if anyone praise MBS infront of me, I will make sure there will be a little bird flying around their head just like in cartoons.

[Ahmad8888]

2 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

Salaam,

This hadith is from Sunni source:

Al-Tirmidhi (1295) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed ten with regard to alcohol: the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” 

..wonder how this will all play out for them.

When i was in Rome recently, i wondered at many of the small markets i went into that were run by Sunni brothers that sold alcohol. I dont know how they justify it. I have heard its in the very LEAST makruh to provide alcohol or pork even to non muslims. 

????????

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

[Diaz]

16 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

Yeah but I think sister pure meant about the owner. In Indonesia there are some hijabi who sell pork and alcohol lol

[Ashvazdanghe]

36 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Selling alcohol in a non muslim majority nation is halal if you're selling halal things too and you're not the owner(cashier). 

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

Edited February 7, 2024 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ahmad8888]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

Thats what i said, not the owner(someone who profits off it)

[Ahmad8888]

3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam according to Shia Islam any type of selling alcoholic drinks & pork & other Haram things  are Haram (forbidden) ; even you sell Halal things too even "in a non muslim majority nation" ; which only person can work in such store if that person doesn't receive wage for selling it which that person only can has  income based on contract for job as cashiers but any type of involvement in selling alcoholic drinks pork & other Haram things is Haram (forbidden) . 

Now that I look at it, I wrongfully used the word sell. 

[PureExistence1]

6Question: I am running a store and I have non-Muslim customers who want me to sell them alcoholic drinks. Can a Muslim buy and sell intoxicating alcohol to non-Muslims?

Answer: It is not permissible to buy and sell alcohol.

 

I was told its not permissible even as a cashier because I'd still be taking part in the transaction as a middle man, but i dont know for sure.

[Ahmad8888]

On 2/7/2024 at 1:55 PM, PureExistence1 said:

6Question: I am running a store and I have non-Muslim customers who want me to sell them alcoholic drinks. Can a Muslim buy and sell intoxicating alcohol to non-Muslims?

Answer: It is not permissible to buy and sell alcohol.

 

I was told its not permissible even as a cashier because I'd still be taking part in the transaction as a middle man, but i dont know for sure.

I remeber sayed sistani said it's halal to be cashier if there are halal items being sold in a non muslim nation. Correct me if I am wrong. 

You need to check his arabic fatwah too, not the one written in english.

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, Ahmad8888 said:

I remeber sayed sistani said it's halal to be cashier if there are halal items being sold in a non muslim nation. Correct me if I am wrong. 

You need to check his arabic fatwah too, not the one written in english.

Salam brother, if possible can you link the fatwa you read? 

[Ahmad8888]

13 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Salam brother, if possible can you link the fatwa you read? 

I dont have it. It's been 2 years given thats the last time i needed it. Im glad if someone could provide it. 

[313_Waiter]

Vision 2030

WEF Agenda 2030

2030 UN SDGS

im putting on my tinfoil hat. Something smells fishy here 

[Haji 2003]

14 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Vision 2030

WEF Agenda 2030

2030 UN SDGS

im putting on my tinfoil hat. Something smells fishy here 

Or it could just be a nice round even number which is far away enough to give time to people to achieve their goals, but not so far (2050) that people can relax and ignore it. That would apply to the UN SDGS, which I am in favour of. 

In the case of Vision 2030 my view is that date has been chosen because the people responsible want to relieve Saudi of its wealth while they still can.

You can't have the UN SDGS and oil states pumping oil at current rates. One or other has to give.

[313_Waiter]

9 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Or it could just be a nice round even number

I guess we’ll find out.

inshaAllah the best happens

[Haji 2003]

Can't vouch for the accuracy of this ...

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1762375394563346512?s=20

[In Gods Name]

You made this in 2018 when 2030 looked like a million years away.

It's literally 2024 now SubhanAllah.

I don't like Saudi one bit, but it does show that in life, while we might not even be guaranteed tomorrow it does help to have short, medium and overall longer term visions. Because time does fly. And if you sowed the right seeds and nurtured it you may well thank yourself for persevering. 

[Haji 2003]

Look at the state of Mecca

 

[Haji 2003]

End of the Line?

A few months ago we were reading the following about the line (from an article I referred to in a post above:

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In the spaces between its sleek flanks are proposed piled-up phantasmagoria of hanging gardens and lakes and flying megastructures. Multiple architects and designers have been involved, including Olivier Pron, the French special effects artist for Guardians of the Galaxy and Cloud Atlas, and the Pritzker prize winners Morphosis and OMA, respectively from Los Angeles and Rotterdam. Some have been assigned the task of designing 800m-long stretches in greater detail. One of these is Sir Peter Cook RA, alumnus of the Architectural Association in London, who has been energising the world of architecture with his colourful images of big free-form structures of open-ended use since he was part of the Archigram group in the 1960s. At the age of 87 he finds himself working on a project that looks, superficially at least, like those visions from long ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/dec/03/saudi-arabia-gigaprojects-mohammed-bin-salman-the-line-iwona-blazwick

We now hear that:

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Now, however, plans for the mirror-clad desert metropolis called the Line have been scaled down and the project, which was envisaged to stretch 105 miles (170km) is expected to reach just a mile and a half by 2030.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/10/the-line-saudi-arabia-scaling-back-plans-105-mile-long-desert-megacity-crown-prince

Still the assorted consultants and many more mentioned at the start of this post made a pretty penny while the dream lasted.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Neom: Saudi Arabia 'scales back' goals of megacity project

Straight-line desert city The Line was scheduled to have 1.5m living there by 2030, but officials now expect less than 300,000 residents

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Neom: Saudi Arabia jails nearly 50 tribespeople for resisting displacement

New Alqst report details displacement and arrest of members of Howeitat tribe to make way for megacity

Human rights organisation, Alqst, published "The Dark Side of Neom" on Thursday, outlining the names of all those detained or disappeared for speaking out against the project, and detailing human rights abuses committed against evictees. 

The project is being built in the Tabuk province of northwestern Saudi Arabia, where the displaced Al-Howeitat tribe had, until recently, lived for centuries. 

The report found that 15 members of the tribe had been sentenced to between 15 and 50 years in prison, while five were sentenced to death. A further 19 were detained with no further information on their fate, while eight were released. 

 

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In April 2020, tribal activist Abdul-Rahim al-Howeiti was shot dead shortly after making videos protesting against his eviction to make way for the megacity.

Ahmed Abdel Nasser al-Huwaiti, nephew of Abdul-Rahim, was arrested in October 2020 for expressing sympathy for his uncle’s death and “seeking to destabilise and disrupt the social fabric and national cohesion”, according to the report. 

He was initially charged with five years in prison, which was increased to 21 years upon appeal. 

Among the five known to be sentenced to death is Shadli Ahmed Mahmoud al-Huwaiti, brother of Abdul Rahim. 

Shadli was initially forcibly disappeared for two months in late 2020, before being charged with “establishing a terrorist organisation to rebel against the ruler” and “creating a Twitter account to tear apart national cohesion”.

In May 2022, he went on a hunger strike after being placed in solitary confinement in Dhaban Prison and was then force-fed via a tube in his stomach.

 

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The report notes that several global companies have provided consultancy services and signed contract agreements with Neom, and therefore “bear a solemn corporate human rights responsibility”. 

 

 

 

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Saudi Arabia has scaled back some of its ambitions for its desert megacity Neom, according to a report by Bloomberg. 

The $1.5 trillion megacity project, which organisers claim will be 33 times the size of New York City, is due to include a 170km straight-line city.

The source said that officials expected only 2.4km of the 170km city to be completed by 2030.

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Neom - part of Saudi Arabia's Vision 2030 strategy to diversify the economy and move away from oil reliance - is being built in the northwestern Tabuk province.

Middle East Eye reported last year that construction was under way on The Line, based on satellite imagery.

 

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Sources told Bloomberg that work was continuing on other parts of the Neom project, and Saudi officials still backed the overall aims of The Line.

The sources added that Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, which is providing most of the funding for the project, has yet to confirm its 2024 budget for Neom.

The scaling back of the megacity project comes as the Public Investment Fund cash reserves dropped to $15bn in September, its lowest levels since 2020. 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-scales-back-neom-megacity-project

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-neom-tribespeople-jailed-resisting-displacement

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/10/the-line-saudi-arabia-scaling-back-plans-105-mile-long-desert-megacity-crown-prince

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/saudi-arabia-scale-back-mega-desert-city-neom-the-line-crown-prince-mohammad-bin-salman-13758544.html

Middle East business magazine Meed reported that the schemes – which it listed as the Diriyah, Neom, Qiddiya, Red Sea and Roshn projects – added just US$271M (£217M) in March to the US$57bn (£46bn) total value of contracts they have awarded since their launch.

Meed said that it was too early to say whether the slowdown in contract awards on the five projects was part of a longer-lasting trend, or due to fluctuations in the construction industry.

However, Bloomberg noted that the scaled back plans for the Line come as Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund has yet to approve Neom’s budget for 2024. According to the news organisation, this may indicate that the scale of investment in Neom is starting to cause concern among officials in the Saudi government.

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It comes after geotechnical specialist contractor Keller Group hinted at possible problems on the Line in a trading update in October 2023. In the update it said that piling work on the Line had been delayed due to the "evolution of the design", and that it was "taking steps to redeploy resources in the short term".

Keller has been carrying out foundation work on the Neom desert scheme following the signing of an umbrella framework agreement in summer 2022. It completed its first works order on the Line in the first quarter of 2023 which was worth £40M.

 

https://www.geplus.co.uk/news/neom-scaled-back-amid-slow-down-in-saudi-gigaproject-awards-18-04-2024/

 

 

[Haji 2003]

21st-century colonialism

Or how to get your colony to pay for being ruled by you.

I have made some text bold. The bit that I have made bold and red is something that you will not usually read in MSM. But to its credit the FT not only carries these stories but makes these points as well.
 

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But some officials fear Saudi ministries have become over-reliant on western consultancies, from the Big Four of Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC to more specialist strategy consulting firms, as disgruntlement grows about the outsiders’ ever-growing role in running the country. “I’ll be in a lot of meetings where Minister X or Deputy Minister X is presenting a strategy,” said one Saudi professional who has worked both in the government and at a top consulting firm. “And the first thing that they’ll say is: ‘Ahlan wa sahlan, welcome, and I would like to let you know that consulting firm Y prepared this presentation’ . . . They don’t even take ownership of it.”

https://www.ft.com/content/908b1883-f4de-4d53-bfee-acdc01602223

According to this article the way some Saudi ministries budgets are set-up, they have to use the services of outside consultants. suggests that the Saudis are being told to ensure that external consultants are used.