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I think Saudi is eventually heading in a similar direction under MBS like Iran was under Shah. 

He's trying to Westernise a very conservative society and this will backfire massively.

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On 12/20/2021 at 2:19 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Your suggestion about possible outcomes seems to be in synch with this neocon map:

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https://m-weddle.medium.com/bush-cheney-spawned-isis-a1e1901afdd6

It's amazing shares like this which demonstrates the future Sykes Picot plans and divisions.

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Progressive laws

This is from the website of NEOM (the new city) that is being promoted everywhere:

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Progressive laws that are compatible with international norms and conducive to economic growth.

https://www.neom.com/en-us/invest-in-neom

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What would Yazid do?

Bread but mostly circuses like the more corrupt Roman emperors.

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Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund has committed more than $2bn to new long-term football sponsorship deals this year, in a sign of the kingdom’s growing ambitions in the world’s most popular sport. 

https://www.ft.com/content/ce556bac-30cc-49c6-b883-5cab67ce5379

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Mining to replace oil production

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Saudi Arabia is planning to increase its phosphate fertiliser production to capture a quarter of the global export market as it seeks to expand its mining sector and become less dependent on oil revenues, said senior officials.

The ministry is also looking to explore fully the western part of Saudi Arabia, which holds a government estimated $1.3tn in mineral reserves, based on 2016 prices when the assessment was made, he said. Alkhorayef said the country was looking to more than quadruple copper production from 90,000 to 400,000 tonnes, and increase zinc production to 60,000 tonnes by 2025.

https://www.ft.com/content/5d4654f4-9db5-41a8-b595-dd397a51d29e

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Saudi role models

I am a bit surprised by this, T.Hamad has a PhD from the U. of Southern California. So you'd hope for something a bit more reasonable.

Saudi might have many growth trajectories, but emulating China is not one of them. Nothing against Saudi, but there are lots of reasons why the two countries don't compare.

He'd be better off thinking about smaller countries more simllar to Saudi with lots of natural resources and large proportion of overseas workers etc.

I can't think of any.

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I am a bit surprised by this.

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59 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

I am a bit surprised by this, this person has a PhD from the U. of Southern California. So you'd hope for something a bit more reasonable.

Salam it's just a justification for postponing visit of Mbs from Pakistan & other Asian countries due to "S Arabia to execute 8 teenagers on terror allegations"

which some people in Pakistan specially a group of Shias in Pakistan have demonstrated against Mbs due to excution teenager Shias in KSA.

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The activists have mounted a campaign under the Arabic hashtag “Stop the Slaughter” to demand the abolition of death penalties handed down to minors.

They identified the defendants as Abdullah al-Howaiti, Abdullah al-Derazi, Ali al-Sabiti, Hasan Zaki al-Faraj, Jalal Al Labad, Mahdi al-Mohsen, Javad Qariris, and Yousef al-Manasif, [Sajjad Al Yassin]

S Arabia to execute 8 teenagers on terror allegations

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/193334/S-Arabia-to-execute-8-teenagers-on-terror-allegations

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman postpones trip to Pakistan, other Asian countries

  • He is now expected to visit Pakistan at end of November or early December
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MBS may announce investment projects during his visit

According to the PM, the refinery will be built at a cost of $10 billion to $12 billion. He reiterated that Pakistan was also making efforts to build solar power schemes.

Media reports also claimed that Pakistan is also expected to get a bailout package of $4.2 billion during the visit, besides announcing to set up a $10 billion oil refinery at Gwadar.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40208450/saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-postpones-trip-to-pakistan-other-asian-countries

Ashrafi, who is also the chairman of Pakistan Ulema Council, said, as per reports, the Crown Prince had not only postponed his visit to Pakistan but also delayed his visit to some other countries.

“As soon as his visit is rescheduled, it would be intimated to the quarters concerned,” he added. He also clarified that Pakistan’s internal affairs had nothing to do with the postponement of Crown Prince’s visit.

He also urged the people “not to be misguided by the rumours being propagated by negative elements.”

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He also urged the people “not to be misguided by the rumours being propagated by negative elements.” He said the Crown Prince was not only a state guest but was the most-adored personality of Pakistani nation, also expressing the hope that he would be given a historic welcome on his arrival to the country.

He said Pak-Saudi relations were not only based on diplomacy but they were also based on faith and belief, which could not be shaken by any propaganda and conspiracy.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1009421-saudi-crown-prince-visit-to-pakistan-postponed

 

 

#StopTheSlaughter

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Saudi Crown Prince MBS Coming Pakistan but Pak is in state of Emergency as Protests Start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGXdnuh2aE

 

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Earlier the visit was in doubt because of the long march of former prime minister Imran Khan. The PTI chairman has now called off the long march and would resume his protest once he fully recovers from his injuries.

Officials are hoping that the situation would remain under control and there would be no upheaval at the time of the visit.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2384821/saudi-crown-princes-pakistan-visit-on-track-despite-political-upheaval

'Nefarious campaign': PM orders inquiry into ministry's notification against 'sects and classes'

It is pertinent to note that the interior ministry portfolio lies with PM Imran Khan himself

 

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A notification by the Interior Minsitry singling out "Shia Community" and labelling them as anti-national is shocking and unacceptable.

Is this the #NayaPakistan?
Naya Pakistan without Shia Community? pic.twitter.com/oZpOZP6vXQ

— Qasim Ali (@Hah_sachi) February 16, 2019

 

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So @ImranKhanPTI eats up a notification issued by his own ministry ordering crackdown against #Shia community during Saudi Prince MBS’s #Pakistan visit. The notification had caused an outrage across the country. https://t.co/14xnOjrrsI

— Saleem Javed | سلیم جاوید (@mSaleemJaved) February 16, 2019

 

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Social media outrage

The notification created outrage on social media as users condemned singling out a particular sect.

    So @ImranKhanPTI eats up a notification issued by his own ministry ordering crackdown against #Shia community during Saudi Prince MBS’s #Pakistan visit. The notification had caused an outrage across the country. https://t.co/14xnOjrrsI
    — Saleem Javed | سلیم جاوید (@mSaleemJaved) February 16, 2019

 

    A notification by the Interior Minsitry singling out "Shia Community" and labelling them as anti-national is shocking and unacceptable.

    Is this the #NayaPakistan?
    Naya Pakistan without Shia Community? pic.twitter.com/oZpOZP6vXQ
    — Qasim Ali (@Hah_sachi) February 16, 2019

 

    Strongly condemn this absurd notification issued by Federal Ministry of Interior which singled out peaceful SHIA COMMUNITY. We always consider National interest as priority. Demand to immediate inquiry against issuer of this inappropriate notification @ImranKhanPTI pic.twitter.com/5phWCvvIe1
    — Allama Raja Nasir (@AllamaRajaNasir) February 15, 2019

 

    @ImranKhanPTI you have disappointed whole shia community with this notification. Shame on you and your government. You are no more different from others. #PakistanRejectsMBS pic.twitter.com/ubAFREGFdF
    — Realist Views (@realistviews1) February 15, 2019

 

    Thank you @ImranKhanPTI from riyast-e-madina to riyast-e-MBS.
    Profiling of the Shia community in a notification from your government is shameful. @pid_gov @fawadchaudhry pic.twitter.com/swmYAZwBrj
    — Akif Hazarvi (@akif_hazarviii) February 15, 2019

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1912434/nefarious-campaign-pm-orders-inquiry-ministrys-notification-sects-classes

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Some consultants are making a lot of money from NEOM

They have nice stories to tell ... in the following example I am just finding it hard to reconcile the food vision  vs. what i see Saudis eating today.

Expected culture change seems pretty radical.

 

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A cognitive city uses technology to reverse this. Genomic tools determine which food is best for our bodies before machine learning advises us on diets, syncing these with exercise routines and other areas of our lives. This personalisation can then be scaled to determine what food the city’s population needs. “With the ability to interpret and map future needs, the cognitive digital ecosystem that TONOMUS is building at NEOM will truly make a difference in people’s lives, and add unprecedented value to the human experience,” says Bradley.

https://tonomus.ft.com/why-tomorrows-cities-will-be-built-around-humans??utm_source=FT&utm_medium=Premium_Native_Amplification

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Saudi Aramco Financial Results

The world may be transitioning to a low hydrocarbon economy, but along the way, it seems as if businesses in the sector will continue to make good money - for a while yet.

As investment in the sector falls those who remain will reap the benefits.

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Saudi Aramco reported record profits of $161bn in 2022 and increased its payout to shareholders as the largely state-owned oil company cashed in on a tumultuous year in energy markets.

Amin Nasser, chief executive, said the “risks of under-investment” in oil and gas production were real and already contributing to higher prices. “To leverage our unique advantages at scale and be part of the global solution, Aramco has embarked on the largest capital spending program in its history,” he said.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a2a9d07-a0da-4a82-8ca1-0fba954934af

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On 3/8/2023 at 12:53 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Saudi cleric criticises government

(in Arabic)

 

Wahhabism from 1970s have been used to cause proxy wars and create tension to Iran and near neighbors countries to make sure to serve Israel. But because of the current events, this can not anymore serve Saudi interest thus Wahhabism became irrelevant.

The Muslims of course will blame the Saudi family for what they have done to the Saudi Scholars, but in reality both of them have brought blood to Muslims and have caused fitnah in the Ummah.

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The heist movie you won't see

Saudi state is being relieved of vast quantities of cash at a prodigious pace.

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https://www.ft.com/content/3fd7a9a3-0856-4aae-8e3b-8ddcee2ca304?commentID=2d754f22-d431-4dbe-863c-7a119a1b201f

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On 8/8/2022 at 9:20 PM, Hassu93 said:

I think Saudi is eventually heading in a similar direction under MBS like Iran was under Shah. 

He's trying to Westernise a very conservative society and this will backfire massively.

Well yeah. 

A lot of Muslims in Saudi will eventually revolt . Though it will take time

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What if King Faisal had not been assassinated in 1975?

I've found a new game to play with chatgpt.

Imagine that you are a scenario planning expert. Assume that we are in 1975 in Saudi Arabia and that the assassination attempt against King Faisal fails. Given his policies what are likely to have been the major differences (with the current state of affairs) in the country's socio-economic development over the next 50 years?

[GPT4 starts]

Certainly! It's important to note that scenario planning is inherently speculative, especially when dealing with complex historical events. But based on the policies and the state of the world in 1975, we can extrapolate a few plausible scenarios had King Faisal's assassination attempt failed.

Economic Development

  1. Oil Economy: King Faisal was a key player in using oil as a political tool, particularly during the 1973 oil embargo. Had he continued to rule, he might have further leveraged Saudi Arabia's oil wealth to gain political influence. This could have led to different relationships with the West and perhaps even a more assertive OPEC.
  2. Industrialization and Diversification: Faisal was instrumental in initiating plans for economic diversification. His extended reign might have resulted in a more vigorous pursuit of non-oil sectors, possibly leading to a more diversified economy earlier than in our timeline.
  3. International Investment: King Faisal’s policies may have continued to attract foreign investment, especially in energy and infrastructure. This could have influenced the global energy market and shaped international relations differently.

Social Development

  1. Education: King Faisal prioritized education and introduced significant reforms. Continued emphasis on education might have led to a more educated workforce earlier on, possibly affecting social dynamics, gender roles, and the country's global competitiveness.
  2. Women's Rights: While conservative in many respects, Faisal's focus on education included women. This could have been a gradual opening for more gender equality, although significant changes in women's rights might still have been slow due to cultural and religious factors.
  3. Religious Conservatism: King Faisal was known for his piety and promotion of Islamic values. His extended rule might have sustained a conservative religious environment, possibly impacting social reforms and the pace of modernization.

Political Development

  1. Regional Influence: Faisal's leadership in the Arab world, especially during the Arab-Israeli conflict, could have continued to shape the Middle East's geopolitical landscape, affecting alliances and rivalries in the region.
  2. Internal Stability: The way Faisal balanced different factions might have maintained a more stable political environment domestically. However, the underlying tensions between modernizers and conservatives could still have presented challenges.
  3. US-Saudi Relations: Faisal's relationship with the West, especially the U.S., was complex. His continued reign might have resulted in a different trajectory for U.S.-Saudi relations, possibly affecting global politics and economics.

Conclusion

The hypothetical continuation of King Faisal's rule in Saudi Arabia could have led to differences in economic diversification, education, women's rights, religious conservatism, regional influence, internal stability, and international relations. However, the actual outcomes would depend on a complex interplay of domestic and international factors, and it is challenging to predict with certainty how these dynamics would have unfolded. Different scenarios might have emerged based on how Faisal would have reacted to unforeseen events and global changes.

[GPT4 ends]

Surprising in some ways, not surprising in others. But to my mind makes it pretty obvious who was behind his assassination.

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Economic development via bread and circuses

 

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Saudi Arabia’s football clubs have spent more on players than those in almost every leading European league this summer,

https://www.ft.com/content/a7d278e3-6f4d-4e3c-8418-dba8c2ea6b2d

 

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Saudi Arabia, which is set to host the Fifa Club World Cup in December, says investing in sports is a key part of its plan to modernise the country

 

When anyone makes a grandiose claim and does not provide the detail as to how it will work - you know they're just making it up as they go along.

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British management consultants doing well


British Empire v.2

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Revenues at the Middle East business [of management consultants PwC] rose by about 40 per cent to nearly £1.5bn, the firm said, dwarfing the near-10 per cent growth in the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a1edbb4-8982-4a07-86ab-b9e5e262fbf1

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Normalisation

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MbS understands that institutionalizing Riyadh’s informal relationship with Israel would be a boon for the kingdom economically and militarily. Israel, after all, is the region’s technological powerhouse, and it has much to offer a country like Saudi Arabia,

https://thespectator.com/topic/saudi-arabia-israel-deal-off-table/

Before the establishment of Israel this was precisely the way arguments were presented for how the Palestinians would become better off with the migration of Europeans to their country.

The cake would become bigger and the Palestinians would see a rise in their living standards. The cake has become bigger, but they've always had a tiny and diminishing slice of it.

If Saudi does normalise relations with Israel and Israelis establish businesses in Saudi and migrate there, what are the odds that the Saudis end up in the same position as the Palestinians?

Saudi does not need to become part of greater Israel for the Arabs to have a bad outcome - but a situation where Israelis run the economy and the Arabs are just taxi drivers is a possibility.

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Business as usual


 

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As leaders in international finance descended in Riyadh for Saudi Arabia’s flagship investment conference, the conversation veered from the future of the global economy to developments in artificial intelligence. There was limited public discussions of the theme that has dominated the Middle East for more than two weeks — the devastating conflict between Israel and Hamas.

https://www.ft.com/content/ccbeee7e-fc40-4052-a24f-73f90aece8fc

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Kinda poetic

... that the high-profile fight in Riyadh last night is now widely seen to have been fixed.

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Tyson Fury was forced to get up off the canvas as he claimed an incredibly controversial split decision victory over former UFC champion Francis Ngannou in Saudi Arabia.

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-live-updates-fight-card-ring-walks-time/kr2DeSLxGfef/

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Shakira tapped to perform at first-ever concert in Saudi Arabia

RIYADH - Shakira is all set to perform at a concert in Saudi Arabia. The Hips Don’t Lie singer’s performance at the opening ceremony of the Riyadh season was announced by the General Entertainment Authority in Saudi Arabia, headed by Turki Al-Sheikh. “The final countdown is only 24 hours until the beginning of the opening ceremony of the Riyadh season

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 Shakira’s concert news comes after rumours of cancellation in support of Gaza

The Riyadh Season 2023’s grand opening performance will be Shakira’s musical concert debut in Saudia Arabia. The Season starts on October 28th. This year would be the 4th edition of the Riyadh Season under the slogan “Big Time.”

Al- Sheikh said about the season, as per a local outlet. Adding,

“the opening ceremony of this year’s season will be conducted by the top event organisers around the world, with the participation of the most famous celebrities.”

https://www.nation.com.pk/29-Oct-2023/shakira-tapped-to-perform-at-first-ever-concert-in-saudi-arabia

 
 
Turki Al-Sheikh announces singer Shakira as Riyadh Season surprise
43 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Kinda poetic

... that the high-profile fight in Riyadh last night is now widely seen to have been fixed.

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-live-updates-fight-card-ring-walks-time/kr2DeSLxGfef/

 

 

Sheikh announced holding a huge boxing event at the Kingdom Arena between Fury and Usyk within the Riyadh Season.


He wrote on the X website, formerly Twitter, on Friday:

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“The fans and visitors of the Riyadh Season, in a few minutes, important and international news about an important event in the Kingdom Arena that will be announced. It will be a historic event for the first time. I hope to interact with the event on the hashtag #Big_Time, and I am sure that you will make it the number one trend in the world.”

https://egyptindependent.com/turki-al-sheikh-announces-singer-shakira-as-riyadh-season-surprise/

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Shakira To Perform In Saudi Arabia Amid Criticism Over Palestinian Situation

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https://theobserverpost.com/shakira-to-perform-in-saudi-arabia-amid-criticism-over-palestinian-situation/

 

He pointed out that this year the season will host more than 100 of the most famous food trucks around the world, meeting in one area, in addition to an exhibition of luxury and distinctive cars on an area of 150,000 square meters, which includes 1,000 rare cars. There will also be ‘I Am Arab’ exhibition; the Riyadh Toy Festival (RTF), the Influencer and Content Creators Awards Exhibition and Ceremony (Concon), and the Joy Awards.

https://www.see.news/shakira-to-present-first-ever-concert-in-saudi-arabia

 

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22 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Israel is, cutting all electricity, network, food, medical aid etc. I never knew I would live to see such evil.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235083838-israel-tanks-infiltrate-into-gaza-o-muslims-we-are-powerless/

 

About Riyadh Season

Riyadh Season is one of the world’s largest winter entertainment event. Variety of food from around the world, courtesy of exclusive restaurants — plus countless exciting surprises. The festivities capture the essence of Saudi, from its Najdi heritage to its present-day dynamism.

https://riyadhseason.com/en-US

Riyadh Season 2023 will also be welcoming exhibitions like Ana Arabiya, Riyadh Toy Festival, Dogs Festival, Riyadh Car Show, the ConCon Conference, and the Riyadh Season Football Cup featuring local clubs like Al Hilal, and Al Nassr and a global club too.

Foodies, listen up. The capital will also be welcoming more than 100 food trucks from around the world including New York, London, and Tokyo, so get ready to munch on some tasty treats.

https://whatsonsaudiarabia.com/2023/09/riyadh-season-2023/

Riyadh Dogs Festival + Saluki Specialty

https://app.dogshow.pro/dogshowinfo.php?showid=89

 

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19 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

astagfirullah, instead of doing something to the palestinians, ther r paying for hindu people to dance where islam started, may allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse the hypocrites rulers eternally. 

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1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

It would be horrible if it was in Mecca and Medinah. Saudi Arabia do not represent Prophet (saws) birth place or country.

The problem is that this is likely an attempt to acculturate Saudis to accept various practices everywhere. Let's see in a few years.

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1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

The problem is that this is likely an attempt to acculturate Saudis to accept various practices everywhere. Let's see in a few years.

That’s the problem, they are starting slowing so that people can normalize it. 

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