Ideal Looks of a Couple

[rkazmi33]

It seems like now the war is between tall and short people. In every drama, there's one short girl fighting with the tall girl, and short girl is usually shown as the evil one. Thank God I am not short, so I won't have to hear any negative comments. But this is so ridiculous, over-weight people can lose weight, dark skinned people can get whitening injections, but what about short people? What can they do? Anyway, has anyone seen the couple on Islamic pulse channel? Both husband and wife look very different than the kind of ideal looks that have been discussed on shiachat. This is not gheebat, because according to me there's nothing wrong with their looks, but I just want to know if people are sending them suggestions on improving their looks so that they can look like a presentable shia couple. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by rkazmi33

[Intellectual Resistance]

5 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

 What can they do? Anyway, has anyone seen the couple on Islamic pulse channel? Both husband and wife look very different than the kind of ideal looks that have been discussed on shiachat. This is not gheebat, because according to me there's nothing wrong with their looks, but I just want to know if people are sending them suggestions on improving their looks so that they can look like a presentable shia couple. 

Anyone who did that would be inhumane. As far as i am concerned, they are perfectly normal, and even if they had not been, their marriage is not our business. They do a fantastic job and may Allah preserve them and grant them from his mercy and bounties. 

[rkazmi33]

32 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Anyone who did that would be inhumane. As far as i am concerned, they are perfectly normal, and even if they had not been, their marriage is not our business. They do a fantastic job and may Allah preserve them and grant them from his mercy and bounties. 

Anyone who did that would also be stupid. I forgot, our people don't say anything negative in writing because that will become proof forever. We don't say anything in clear words also, we just drop hints when we meet face to face. 

[ireallywannaknow]

3 hours ago, rkazmi33 said:

It seems like now the war is between tall and short people. In every drama, there's one short girl fighting with the tall girl, and short girl is usually shown as the evil one. Thank God I am not short, so I won't have to hear any negative comments. But this is so ridiculous, over-weight people can lose weight, dark skinned people can get whitening injections, but what about short people? What can they do? Anyway, has anyone seen the couple on Islamic pulse channel? Both husband and wife look very different than the kind of ideal looks that have been discussed on shiachat. This is not gheebat, because according to me there's nothing wrong with their looks, but I just want to know if people are sending them suggestions on improving their looks so that they can look like a presentable shia couple. 

What ideal looks are you talking about? They are a very a cute couple to me, I love watching their episodes. 

[Hameedeh]

8 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

They are a very a cute couple to me, I love watching their episodes. 

When I saw their video that she is expecting a baby, I cried from happiness.  

[ireallywannaknow]

14 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

When I saw their video that she is expecting a baby, I cried from happiness.  

Haha awww that's so cute of you she should probably be delivering one of these days. I think last video she said she was 8 months. 

[rkazmi33]

28 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

What ideal looks are you talking about? They are a very a cute couple to me, I love watching their episodes. 

Well about the husband, there are all the threads regarding body building. And the ideal weight of wife is when her husband is able to pick her up. That's not just shiachat, I have seen in my family, if wife is a little heavier than husband, people say that she looks older and she needs to lose weight. 

[Intellectual Resistance]

7 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

Well about the husband, there are all the threads regarding body building. And the ideal weight of wife is when her husband is able to pick her up. That's not just shiachat, I have seen in my family, if wife is a little heavier than husband, people say that she looks older and she needs to lose weight. 

The body-building one is for health and fitness and i made it. Working on ones own physique is primarily for ones own self, for ones own health, and for ones own well being.  Let me just put it out there that i fell very ill and i weighed as much as an eleven year old, as a fully grown man. That's why it's important to me. To feel healthy, to feel strong, and to literally be strong.

The thread about the poor lady carrying the shopping bags and the baby was not something to be taken seriously. I made a comment that not only should the husband have helped her with the shopping bag, and the child if she had been tired, he ought to have carried her as well. Then there was a funny aside about mathematical calculations. It isn't serious, though it had more to do with a man symbolically - or should be - stronger , so he can offer protection.  That comment was less to do with the weight of the wife, and more to do with a joke about how strong the husband should be. 

Generally speaking, societally weight is a big thing, and being overweight tends to be viewed as not being attractive. The thing is, losing weight is beneficial for ones own health regardless if one is in the unhealthy range. Again, people commenting on a woman who is married and her weight should mind their own business and leave the couple alone. It's none of their business, don't you agree?

In essence, unfortunately, human beings are programmed to desire certain biological traits. What is interesting however, is how we can compromise on that, based on our humanity and higher levels of existence than mere animals, and go for real substance. 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance

[rkazmi33]

@Intellectual Resistance I actually know someone in real life who looks very much like the husband and his wife gets a lot of sympathy from people for having a not-good looking husband. 

About the other issue, there's actually a tradition in some desi cultures that husband picks up wife and takes her to room on wedding night. Now imagine if he is unable to pick her up due to weight, all the wedding guests will laugh at her. This is a common scene shown in movies, and many people try to copy movies on real lives. I have experience with this: my ex husband looked younger than me and every time I was with him, I was reminded about this by every woman. I agree it's not anyone's business but people constantly interfere and pass comments. 

I was under the impression that in Iran, looks are very important. And I felt that Shias are beginning to say that it's natural to prefer good looks and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why I was surprised to see this couple, because in Pakistan most beautiful people are chosen to give presentations. 

[Intellectual Resistance]

23 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

@Intellectual Resistance I actually know someone in real life who looks very much like the husband and his wife gets a lot of sympathy from people for having a not-good looking husband. 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the brother. Seriously, anyone who is giving the wife 'sympathy' is in-humane, and i pray to Allah it is not having an effect on her perception of him. 

[Intellectual Resistance]

1 hour ago, rkazmi33 said:

About the other issue, there's actually a tradition in some desi cultures that husband picks up wife and takes her to room on wedding night. Now imagine if he is unable to pick her up due to weight, all the wedding guests will laugh at her. This is a common scene shown in movies, and many people try to copy movies on real lives. I have experience with this: my ex husband looked younger than me and every time I was with him, I was reminded about this by every woman. I agree it's not anyone's business but people constantly interfere and pass comments. 

That is just ridiculous. It is genuinely getting to the level of superficiality that borders on inhumanity. 

Either-way, i know how anyone on this forum can look at least five years younger, through proven steps, for their own self-esteem and not to impress anyone.

1. Lose body fat, but increase muscle mass. A man should hit 12% BF. A woman 18-20% BF to start noticing results. 

2. Derma-Roll , or use chemical peels that are safe for the face  (A low-grade mandelic malic acid peel, only done after one does proper research and starts with very low concentrations , bought from a reliable seller) , which will greatly remove wrinkles and promote healthier looking skin. Warning: One can not Derma Roll and use a Peel at the same time. Each will need separate recovery times and the onus is on the individual to research. Combine this with using a Vitamin C serum regularly, and an SPF moisturiser (Sun causes ageing) , as well as a night cream.

3. Use FDA approved safe methods to whiten teeth. 

4. Five minute a day 'Facial Exercises' to tone the face. 

(Clarify with ones own doctor, i do not take personal liability).

[Hameedeh]

1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

The thread about the poor lady carrying the shopping bags and the baby was not something to be taken seriously. I made a comment that not only should the husband have helped her with the shopping bag, and the child if she had been tired, he ought to have carried her as well. Then there was a funny aside about mathematical calculations. It isn't serious, though it had more to do with a man symbolically - or should be - stronger , so he can offer protection.  That comment was less to do with the weight of the wife, and more to do with a joke about how strong the husband should be. 

We had no way of knowing that it was a joke. I thought it was serious. You really need to use the emoticons if you are making a joke. We cannot hear the inflection or intonation of your voice in your written word! 

[Intellectual Resistance]

24 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

We had no way of knowing that it was a joke. I thought it was serious. You really need to use the emoticons if you are making a joke. We cannot hear the inflection or intonation of your voice in your written word! 

Would it be possible if you could potentially program a special auto-speak software that a button could be used to maybe code the sentences , in order that if someone intends a joke, they could press this button, and so someone wondering whether it was a joke or not can press it and hear the sentence read out by the computer program? I know this is harder than me using an emoticon, but i was wondering if it is something that could be possible?

[Islandsandmirrors]

I’m not really sure if I understand this thread. Are you speaking of mismatched couples in general? Or what society deems as attractive?

I think similar people will generally flock together. In terms of body weight, there’s no “ideal body” because everyone carries weight differently. 

Shaming others is never the right way to approach anything like weight, and I do agree with you that if a woman is bigger than her husband, Easterners will shame that woman unless she’s been extremely overweight all her life instead of gaining the weight over time. I notice a different trend in Western countries though, in which generally fit men are with overweight woman more often than the other way around. 

[rkazmi33]

@Intellectual Resistance In the same post you are condemning superficial thinking and then you are giving a long list of things people can do to look younger. This is what I was talking about, wondering if that couple gets such kind of suggestions from people. You mentioned do it for your own self-esteem, well my self esteem is not a problem. I don't care about aging and I don't even notice it when I look at other people. If I see a group of people and one is in 20s and other is in 40s, I will never be able to tell which one is older. I think these are silly things which are not even noticeable unless you are staring at a person's face closely. But negative comments from other people do bother me. I will stop caring about this issue if people just stop with their comments. 

@Islandsandmirrors I guess the thread is about what society deems as attractive. 

[Intellectual Resistance]

2 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

@Intellectual Resistance In the same post you are condemning superficial thinking and then you are giving a long list of things people can do to look younger. This is what I was talking about, wondering if that couple gets such kind of suggestions from people. You mentioned do it for your own self-esteem, well my self esteem is not a problem. I don't care about aging and I don't even notice it when I look at other people. If I see a group of people and one is in 20s and other is in 40s, I will never be able to tell which one is older. I think these are silly things which are not even noticeable unless you are staring at a person's face closely. But negative comments from other people do bother me. I will stop caring about this issue if people just stop with their comments. 

The problem is, i don't think people should make it such a big issue about age. At the end of the day, it is no-ones business. However if someone wants to pursue a perfectly halal set of measures to look younger, that are not financially wasteful, they have the right to . Just because we have superficial people in society, does not denote someone can not or should not work to improve an area of themselves if they find it makes them happy, and it is halal.

If someone dislikes the fact they are looking older, there is a proven system in place that often works, and that is losing weight among other things. If they don't want to do those things, then it is up to them, and no-one has the right to say anything about them. 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance

[Gaius I. Caesar]

I think society's ideal look for couples is a bunch of nonsense; You are simply chasing a dragon if you do follow society's ideas on how you and your spouse should appear in public and to others. 

[Islandsandmirrors]

17 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I think society's ideal look for couples is a bunch of nonsense; You are simply chasing a dragon if you do follow society's ideas on how you and your spouse should appear in public and to others. 

I don’t believe that it’s entirely nonsense, since studies have shown that we are biologically hardwired to find certain features attractive in a potiential spouse. 

I find that some Western ideals like broad faces (as an example) have been rooted in health subconsciously. People with broad facial features and strong jawlines have better airways as opposed to receding jaws and long faces and weak chins.

[Intellectual Resistance]

54 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

I don’t believe that it’s entirely nonsense, since studies have shown that we are biologically hardwired to find certain features attractive in a potiential spouse. 

I find that some Western ideals like broad faces (as an example) have been rooted in health subconsciously. People with broad facial features and strong jawlines have better airways as opposed to receding jaws and long faces and weak chins.

Facial Width, or most importantly, Facial-Width to Height Ratio (FWHR) is seen as something which conveys dominance , particularly among primates. However , although it could arguably contribute to attractiveness, i don't think it is truly entirely significant or among the most important factors. I also don't think it's necessarily something we are rooted to go for, because all i believe we know is that it conveys dominance. You also have some cults like the S.Korean one going after different shaped faces.

The most important features for attractiveness i would argue is the eye region, cantal tilt of the eyes, inner canthus shape, eye-lashes, eye-brows, and the spacing and symmetry of the eyes. I would agree that some where on the list, jaw-line and chin tends to come up, but this seems to be more important for men than women, although it is seen as positive for both. 

Above all, i think wha Gaius is trying to say is, whatever seems to be desirable in one society , or even some traits universally, we're better than to give these things much importance. Honestly, beyond corrective things to improve owns oneself, like proper posture, not worth pondering about in my view. 

Edited March 1, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

Above all, i think wha Gaius is trying to say is, whatever seems to be desirable in one society , or even some traits universally, we're better than to give these things much importance.

That's partially true but what I am trying to get at is that we are and always will be individuals with different views, ideas and preferences about what is attractive as human beings. This is an immutable reality of life.

Why bother with society and their views of the ideal couple when it advocates haram as acceptable? It has incredibly unrealistic and twisted expectations on appearance, relationships, money and love.

[Intellectual Resistance]

10 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

That's partially true but what I am trying to get at is that we are and always will be individuals with different views, ideas and preferences about what is attractive as human beings. This is an immutable reality of life.

Why bother with society and their views of the ideal couple when it advocates haram as acceptable? It has incredibly unrealistic and twisted expectations on appearance, relationships, money and love.

I agree. People should just be themselves, and ignore the ridiculous pressure the media sometimes puts. While there might be somethings hard-wired into us, there is no doubt the media exaggerates , invents, and portrays a really unrealistic ideal.

It has corrupted many.

[Hameedeh]

43 minutes ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

I agree. People should just be themselves, and ignore the ridiculous pressure the media sometimes puts.

I agree with this. 

[Ron_Burgundy]

My ideal could be different than your ideal. 

[Sisterfatima1]

Salam brother 

what’s your obsession with body image 

I think this question is very weird 

[lola20]

Quote

This is not gheebat, because according to me there's nothing wrong with their looks, but I just want to know if people are sending them suggestions on improving their looks so that they can look like a presentable shia couple. 

Is this a serious question? 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Why we’re having the baby in Qom |Howza life

https://youtu.be/TwbBwX5aHLc

[Guest Account Ali]

Well, I mean I am like 5 foot 5 inches in real life, have a decent amount of facial hair, and am pretty dark-skinned. Also not to mention I think I am ugly looking. 

So I suppose I am gonna have to find a girl who is just as short and ugly as me. Lol. 

[Sisterfatima1]

@Guest Account Ali Did you just call yourself ugly 

[Intellectual Resistance]

5 hours ago, Guest Account Ali said:

Also back in my day, the internet used to be a gathering place of unattractive and ugly men and women looking to connect and socialize(myself included). Which raises the question as to why all y'all attractive men and women, and married men and women are on here? 

 What you repeatedly think of is who you will become. Do not put yourself down, as that is very different from critically analysing yourself. Here are steps you can take, if you have the will, that will transform your life, so-long as  you also transform the mental aspect as well. I do not normally write anything at this level of depth, so consider carefully what i am advising here.

1. Gain lean muscle. Look up my thread on this. If you're overweight, then hit 12% Body fat and gain about 30Lbs of lean muscle naturally. The key is consistency and diet. If you're skinny, then you need to eat, a lot, and get  calorific surplus, regularly. Consider drinking calories in shakes if you can't find time or have the motivation to chew all your meals to get in enough calories. 

2. Hair: Figure out your face shape and go to a quality barber who will style your hair to suit your face shape. Also consider not shampooing every day, but every three or four days, conditioning is important, and i recommend Argan Oil and Co-conut oil for the hair , but i'd wash them off with shampoo twice after using them if i were you. Hair makes the most significant modifiable difference to how you look.  Don't use towels to dry your hair, instead use paper towels, or a micro-fibre towel. 

3. Skin: Don't sleep on your pillow more than three or four days without changing it. Use a non-greasy sunscreen before going out, and consider using a gel-cleanser before and after you seep and wake. I would consider Derma-Rolling, getting a Vitamin C Serum, and also potentially getting a 10% Niacinamide 1% Zinc serum. For the latter, be careful as it can break you out, and some recommend slightly diluting it, so do a test patch. Consider also moisturising regularly, and one thing i highly recommend are charcoal face masks. Also drink plenty of water and stay hydrated. Plenty of sleep helps.

4. Neck: You might look at me in a funny way and say 'are you sure'? However, just look at this picture (famous celebrity). Nothing will ruin your look more than a thin neck. Do not try wrestler exercises for the neck or anything unsafe. Do the safe exercises, they are there on youtube and pick the safest one where you are not doing neck-bridges or anything dangerous.  Having a neck as wide as your jawline or in line with it is important.

5. Beard: If you struggle growing a thick, non-patchy beard, consider minoxidil and black jamaican caster oil. Youtube if you are unsure what i mean, but over months and up to a year, it will wake up dormant follicles and help turn villus hairs that develop into mature hair. Then trim it to style and as per Marji' rulings.

6. Make sure you get clothes that fit, rather than clothes that are overly loose. I don't mean skin-tight clothes, but fitted clothes that don't hug you, but are not extremely loose on you either - the same way men buy fitted suits. This means buy what fits you best, rather than whats half price. Take extra care on your shoes, as this is important.

I stopped there for now, but if you follow these six steps - whatever are applicable - you will transform. Never let yourself be constrained by limitations, you must break these limitations. As i said before, your mind is the first thing you must work on, and check our my Jordan Peterson thread. Combine watching his lectures, reading good books, and meditating using mindful meditation daily. It has to start in your mind, and you have to be motivated enough to see the man you want to be outside and in, and be afraid of what your life may be like if you do not  (so rather than fearing acting, you use fear to your advantage by being afraid not to act). 

The question is, are you a lion, who leads his own life, or another member of the herd who is apathetic? Life is not going to give you , me , or any of us anything. We have to strive, work, research, learn, and implement. And the key to all of this is consistency in discipline and action. 

Small print: This is not substitute for any medical advice, i do not take any responsibility or liability for stupidity by anyone reading this. 

[Guest Account Ali]

4 hours ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

1. Gain lean muscle. Look up my thread on this. If you're overweight, then hit 12% Body fat and gain about 30Lbs of lean muscle naturally. The key is consistency and diet. If you're skinny, then you need to eat, a lot, and get  calorific surplus, regularly. Consider drinking calories in shakes if you can't find time or have the motivation to chew all your meals to get in enough calories. 

2. Hair: Figure out your face shape and go to a quality barber who will style your hair to suit your face shape. Also consider not shampooing every day, but every three or four days, conditioning is important, and i recommend Argan Oil and Co-conut oil for the hair , but i'd wash them off with shampoo twice after using them if i were you. Hair makes the most significant modifiable difference to how you look.  Don't use towels to dry your hair, instead use paper towels, or a micro-fibre towel. 

3. Skin: Don't sleep on your pillow more than three or four days without changing it. Use a non-greasy sunscreen before going out, and consider using a gel-cleanser before and after you seep and wake. I would consider Derma-Rolling, getting a Vitamin C Serum, and also potentially getting a 10% Niacinamide 1% Zinc serum. For the latter, be careful as it can break you out, and some recommend slightly diluting it, so do a test patch. Consider also moisturising regularly, and one thing i highly recommend are charcoal face masks. Also drink plenty of water and stay hydrated. Plenty of sleep helps.

4. Neck: You might look at me in a funny way and say 'are you sure'? However, just look at this picture (famous celebrity). Nothing will ruin your look more than a thin neck. Do not try wrestler exercises for the neck or anything unsafe. Do the safe exercises, they are there on youtube and pick the safest one where you are not doing neck-bridges or anything dangerous.  Having a neck as wide as your jawline or in line with it is important.

5. Beard: If you struggle growing a thick, non-patchy beard, consider minoxidil and black jamaican caster oil. Youtube if you are unsure what i mean, but over months and up to a year, it will wake up dormant follicles and help turn villus hairs that develop into mature hair. Then trim it to style and as per Marji' rulings.

6. Make sure you get clothes that fit, rather than clothes that are overly loose. I don't mean skin-tight clothes, but fitted clothes that don't hug you, but are not extremely loose on you either - the same way men buy fitted suits. This means buy what fits you best, rather than whats half price. Take extra care on your shoes, as this is important.

@Intellectual Resistance Thanks for the advice. But I think a "not so attractive"  person such as myself can be masculine as it were. Just gotta find a wife who is at my level of attractiveness (which isn't enough) than me or on my same level and I'm set for the rest of my life. Lol

[Intellectual Resistance]

5 minutes ago, Guest Account Ali said:

Thanks for the advice. But I think a "not so attractive"  person such as myself can be masculine as it were. Just gotta find a wife who is at my level of attractiveness (which isn't enough) than me or on my same level and I'm set for the rest of my life. Lol

The decision is yours, but my advice would have taken you on another level and literally widened up your options ten-fold. I say this because i hate seeing people putting themselves down, and i want to give you a ticket out of your predicament. I do not kid you if i say a more muscular, good hair, good skin, good teeth, good-fitted clothes, more confident, more mentally assured and positive version of any man is going to have far more options.  It isn't even about marriage or finding a wife, but about being the best, reasonably attainable, version of you, mentally and physically.

Wake up one day and say, forget the system, and forget this whole hyperbole about 'levels'. You're going to make the rules.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance

[Be Human First]

1 hour ago, Intellectual Resistance said:

1. Gain lean muscle. Look up my thread on this. If you're overweight, then hit 12% Body fat and gain about 30Lbs of lean muscle naturally. The key is consistency and diet. If you're skinny, then you need to eat, a lot, and get  calorific surplus, regularly. Consider drinking calories in shakes if you can't find time or have the motivation to chew all your meals to get in enough calories. 

2. Hair: Figure out your face shape and go to a quality barber who will style your hair to suit your face shape. Also consider not shampooing every day, but every three or four days, conditioning is important, and i recommend Argan Oil and Co-conut oil for the hair , but i'd wash them off with shampoo twice after using them if i were you. Hair makes the most significant modifiable difference to how you look.  Don't use towels to dry your hair, instead use paper towels, or a micro-fibre towel. 

3. Skin: Don't sleep on your pillow more than three or four days without changing it. Use a non-greasy sunscreen before going out, and consider using a gel-cleanser before and after you seep and wake. I would consider Derma-Rolling, getting a Vitamin C Serum, and also potentially getting a 10% Niacinamide 1% Zinc serum. For the latter, be careful as it can break you out, and some recommend slightly diluting it, so do a test patch. Consider also moisturising regularly, and one thing i highly recommend are charcoal face masks. Also drink plenty of water and stay hydrated. Plenty of sleep helps.

4. Neck: You might look at me in a funny way and say 'are you sure'? However, just look at this picture (famous celebrity). Nothing will ruin your look more than a thin neck. Do not try wrestler exercises for the neck or anything unsafe. Do the safe exercises, they are there on youtube and pick the safest one where you are not doing neck-bridges or anything dangerous.  Having a neck as wide as your jawline or in line with it is important.

5. Beard: If you struggle growing a thick, non-patchy beard, consider minoxidil and black jamaican caster oil. Youtube if you are unsure what i mean, but over months and up to a year, it will wake up dormant follicles and help turn villus hairs that develop into mature hair. Then trim it to style and as per Marji' rulings.

6. Make sure you get clothes that fit, rather than clothes that are overly loose. I don't mean skin-tight clothes, but fitted clothes that don't hug you, but are not extremely loose on you either - the same way men buy fitted suits. This means buy what fits you best, rather than whats half price. Take extra care on your shoes, as this is important.

What a good piece of Information....But there's one problem Is all that you mntioned above are Halal , where's the fatwa, What does hadees says about it and many more questions would eb soon barging In at your Door

I Personally liked it.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Hameedeh
Long quote shortened in length.

[Aflower]

@Intellectual Resistance Do you seriously adhere to that routine? Impressive! Sorry I don't know if you are a guy or gal, but I've recently started the 14 step Korean skin care routine with Retinoid cream for added measure. Have you tried the before mentioned? 

Edited March 16, 2018 by Aflower

[Intellectual Resistance]

30 minutes ago, Aflower said:

@Intellectual Resistance Do you seriously adhere to that routine? Impressive! Sorry I don't know if you are a guy or gal, but I've recently started the 14 step Korean skin care routine with Retinoid cream for added measure. Have you tried the before mentioned? 

Could you link me to this if possible? I have never heard of that before. 

The routine is very simple , not hard to adhere to , and i'm a man. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance

[Intellectual Resistance]

1 hour ago, Guest Account Ali said:

Thanks. But I also treasure this advice just as much: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0yXGVWS1Y 

Oh, and maintain proper oral posture. Unless medical contraindications suggest otherwise, do not sleep with your mouth open - this is a big no.  During waking hours, close your mouth, put the back 2/3rds of your tongue on the roof of your mouth , and breath through your nose. This will slightly shift the alignment of everything on your face, and push it forward, and it might be in millimetres , but those millimetres count.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Intellectual Resistance