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Treatment of Bibi Fatima (sa) by the Caliphs

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19 hours ago, kirtc said:

Nabi musa a.s left his people for 30 days.. he left haroun a.s as his wali.. when Allah extended musa's absence to 40 days. the people left the religion and started worshipping a calf!. only 1 month after he was gone lol! people went astray. same thing happened with Jesus and peter.. after jesus a.s died paul took over and made up the trinity when infact peter was supposed to take over

back to musa, when he came back he saw his people worshipping a calf and became furious. he went to his wali haroun

 

7:150] And when Musa returned to his people, wrathful (and) in violent grief, he said: Evil is it that you have done after me; did you turn away from the bidding of your Lord?

And he threw down the tablets and seized his brother by the head, dragging him towards him. He said: Son of my mother! Surely the people reckoned me weak and had well-nigh slain me, therefore make not the enemies to rejoice over me and count me not among the unjust people.

 

 

Imam Ali's position is like of haroun's.. if he fought back at the time he would have been over powered and killed. imam ali a.s is like haroun in many ways.. there is even a hadeeth saying that he is to the prophet like haroun is to musa.

even imam ali's kids have the same name in meaning as harouns kids

brother haroun was weak wasnt as strong as musa a.s . Ali a.s on the other hand Ali a.s is stronger than musa a.s ( correct me if i am wrong , i am saying this after reading an article in al-islam where imams are above prophets except mohammed a.s  as he is above imams). Also ali a.s is infallible , i dont think he would be scared for his life (astagfirulla) doing that which is right.

he slept on prophet's bed with out caring for his life .

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13 minutes ago, ephemeral said:

and if religion was in danger then why did she die angry and did not speak or stood against them firmly ? 

why did ali a.s joined Abu bakr ra and umar ra if they were putting religion in danger ?

Salam she stands against them & also Umm Salama supports her  & Imam Ali not joined them but in hard situation helped them because I he at that time raise against them would put all Muslim community in danger being attacked by foreign countries I recommend you to read the Nahjulbalaqa source that provide for you that he explains it this situation there.

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons

 

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/hazrat-zahra-sa-and-heart-rending-episode-fadak-ayatullah-makarem-shirazi

 

https://www.al-islam.org/media/fatimas-sermon-fadakiya-madinah-part-1

 

https://www.al-islam.org/media/fatimas-sermon-fadakiya-madinah-part-1

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam she stands against them & also Umm Salama supports her  & Imam Ali not joined them but in hard situation helped them because I he at that time raise against them would put all Muslim community in danger being attacked by foreign countries I recommend you to read the Nahjulbalaqa source that provide for you that he explains it this situation there.

i dont understand how and few links in there . Anyways shukran for  helping brother . In sha Allah will try to read it , problem is its big and has many parts to it.These days am occupied with lot many things and so i hardly find time for myself. so , little time i find i am  trying my best  to learn about religion .

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18 minutes ago, ephemeral said:

brother haroun was weak wasnt as strong as musa a.s . Ali a.s on the other hand Ali a.s is stronger than musa a.s ( correct me if i am wrong , i am saying this after reading an article in al-islam where imams are above prophets except mohammed a.s  as he is above imams). Also ali a.s is infallible , i dont think he would be scared for his life (astagfirulla) doing that which is right.

he slept on prophet's bed with out caring for his life .

He is the strongest warrior, and he has no fear.. but he had no supporters to fight with him.

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17 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Umm Salama

Whenever someone takes the name of Umm-e-Salama, My heart starts to become heavy and my eyes become full of Tears. My Mother Umm-e-Salama :cryhappy:

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47 minutes ago, ephemeral said:

brother haroun was weak wasnt as strong as musa a.s . Ali a.s on the other hand Ali a.s is stronger than musa a.s ( correct me if i am wrong , i am saying this after reading an article in al-islam where imams are above prophets except mohammed a.s  as he is above imams). Also ali a.s is infallible , i dont think he would be scared for his life (astagfirulla) doing that which is right.

he slept on prophet's bed with out caring for his life .

So the answer to every problem is not fighting or violence. Imam Ali (as) had to exercise patience and forbearance to save the ummah. It would not have survived a civil war. There are narrations that Abu Sufiyan offered military assistance to Imam Ali (as) to fight the caliph but Imam Ali (as) refused because he knew how devastating a civil war would be.

So he exercised patience and forbearance.

Contrary to the Sunni narrative that Jamal and Siffin were fought to avenge the blood of Caliph Uthman, these same civil wars would have broken had Ali become Caliph after the Prophet (saw) because these people hated Ali (as) for his services to Islam. And Islam would not have survived. So he exercised patience and forbearance.

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2 hours ago, ephemeral said:

but brother please tell me when Quran teaches us to speak up for injustice

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.surah 4:135

and if religion was in danger then why did she die angry and did not speak or stood against them firmly ? 

Fatima (as) did speak up about the injustice done against her. She gave out the famous sermon in front of many men including Abu Bakr, which is referred as The Sermon of Fadak, reminding everyone who she was and the injustice done against her. Even Imam 'Ali (as) in a hadith approached Abu Bakr and spoke up about his injustice he did to Fatima (as):

Imām `Alī (عليه السلام) said (to Abū Bakr):

"So what do you say about the verse 'O Ahl al-Bayt! Indeed Allāh wishes to drive away the impurity from you and thoroughly purify you', was it revealed for us or for other than us?" Abū Bakr said: "For you people." Imām `Alī (عليه السلام) said: "So tell me, if two witnesses from the Muslim public testified against Fāṭimah (عليه السلام) on charges of lewdness, what you would do?" Abū Bakr said: "I would establish hadd (Islamic punishment) on her, as I would on (any other) Muslim women." Imām `Alī (عليه السلام) said: "You would then be among the kuffar (disbelievers) according to Allāh." Abū Bakr said: "Why?" Imām `Alī (عليه السلام) said: "Because you would then have rejected the testimony of Allāh and accepted the testimony of the other, because Allāh has testified by the ṭahārah (purity) of Fāṭimah (in ayat al tatheer, 33:33), so when you reject the testimony of Allāh and accept the testimony of the other, you are among the kuffar according to Allāh." 

2 hours ago, ephemeral said:

why did ali a.s joined Abu bakr ra and umar ra if they were putting religion in danger ?

What do you mean by "joined" ? If Imam 'Ali (as) did give bay'ah to them [bay'ah in the context of an agreement], it was by force and against his will. This is found in the books of Sunnis, where after 'Umar attacked Fatima's (as) house, they dragged Imam 'Ali (as) from his house and put a sword to his neck and was given two options, either pledge or die. Imam 'Ali (as), being a man with no ego and no desire for power, pledged to them because he did not want any trouble, but he still knew he was the Imam of the Muslims and no one can take that right from him. Imam 'Ali (as) did not have a reputation for terrorizing people, he always used non-violence and peaceful approach to solve his problems. 

In the books of Sunni hadiths, it is evident that Imam 'Ali (as) did not support Abu Bakr's leadership:

Al-Bukhari narrated:

'Umar ibn al-Khattab said: "And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of Bani Sa’da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us, while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr."

If Imam 'Ali (as) did give bay'ah to Abu Bakr, why did it take him 6 months to give it to him after Abu Bakr became caliph according to Sahih Bukhari? and why was it after they killed Fatima (as)? This was proof that there was a dispute between them, and Imam 'Ali (as) opposed them. 

When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said: "By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)."

Sunni References:

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120
- History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325
- al-Isti’ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975
- Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20
- al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20

 

Sahih Bukhari even states: 

Ali added, “But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry.”

In Nahjul Balagha, Imam 'Ali (as) says:

"Beware! By Allah, the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.

Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death)."

 

With these narrations, it just proves that Imam 'Ali (as) opposed the caliphs and did not support them. If he did give bay'ah to them, it was only by force and not willingly.

People ask why did Imam 'Ali (as) not do anything to defend Fatima (as) when she was attacked, however Imam 'Ali (as) did react once he witnessed what they did to his wife, look at what the history books say:

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Regarding this event, Sulaim b. Qays al-Hilali who was one the greatest companions of Amir al-Mu’minin (as) writes the following:

“Umar asked for fire and set the door on fire. He then pushed the door and went in. Fatima (as) confronted Umar and shouted: ‘Ya Abata! Ya RasulAllah! (Oh father! Oh messenger of Allah!).’ Umar raised his sword while it was in its sheath and hit Fatima (as) on her side. She cried: ‘Ya Aabta! (Oh father).’ Umar raised his whip and hit Fatima’s (as) arm with it.

She (as) wailed: ‘Ya RasulAllah! (Oh messenger of Allah!) How evil are Abu-Bakr and Umar (acting) after you have left!’

Ali (as) jumped up and grabbed Umar by the collar while pulling him by force. He then threw him on the floor and hit him on the nose and neck, wanting to kill him. However, He (as) remembered the order of the messenger of Allah (s) and his will and said: ‘O son of Sahhak! I swear by the one who gave Muhammad (s) high stature by assigning him as a Prophet, if it was not because of what Allah had destined, and the covenant between the Prophet (s) and me, you would have known that you couldn’t enter my house!’”.

Sulaim b. Qays, The book of Sulaim, p.568

 

2 hours ago, ephemeral said:

Ali a.s on the other hand Ali a.s is stronger than musa a.s ( correct me if i am wrong , i am saying this after reading an article in al-islam where imams are above prophets except mohammed a.s  as he is above imams). Also ali a.s is infallible , i dont think he would be scared for his life (astagfirulla) doing that which is right.

he slept on prophet's bed with out caring for his life .

In Nahjul Balagha, Imam 'Ali (as) says:

"If I speak out they would call me greedy towards power but if I keep quiet they would say I was afraid of death. It is a pity that after all the ups and downs (I have been through). By Allah the son of Abu Talib is more familiar with death than an infant with the breast of its mother. I have hidden knowledge, if I disclose it you will start trembling like ropes in deep wells."

Imam 'Ali (as) was strong only in battles/wars and by the will of Allah (awj), but outside of wars he was just an ordinary man in terms of strength. There's a hadith where Fatima (as) tells Imam 'Ali (as):

“Oh Son of Abu Talib, you lifted a gate which 40 men couldn’t lift and now you are unable to break a piece of bread?”

Imam 'Ali Replied: The gate I lifted was for Allah, the bread I am trying to break is for myself. I Lifted the gates of Khyber not with my physical strength but with the strength of my Rouh”

 

Also, I strongly recommend you read this article by Ayatollah Saafi Gulpaygani, he gives out rational reasons and powerful arguments for why Imam 'Ali (as) did not fight back for his right when they stole it from him. http://www.islamicinsights.com/religion/clergy-corner/did-imam-ali-give-allegiance-to-abu-bakr.html

 

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On 2/21/2018 at 3:41 PM, ephemeral said:

brother as i said i am trying to learn history , at the time of our beloved  (saws)  many denied prophet hood of our beloved prophet but he wasnt angry on anyone though people treated him badly and i strongly believe fatima zehra a.s inherited all the characteristics of our beloved prophet then why would she die angry over few handful of people ?

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"..He (sawa) adds 'whoever makes her angry makes me angry'. We recognize that the bearers of the Messages do not become emotional when people hurt their children; but also that a righteous father will not get angry and emotional if people rightfully make his son angry, because he does wrong to them. So, what is the meaning of 'whoever makes her angry makes me angry'?

It means that Fatimah is the woman who can never do wrong to anyone, in words or in deeds, so that people have the right to hurt her or make her angry. In fact, if Fatimah becomes angry no one will have made her angry, because she will have become angry only for Allah. For the woman who can never harm anyone, sin or deviate, whoever makes her angry he is surely making Allah angry; and she is a person who does not get hurt unless Allah is disobeyed or people deviate from Allah's way. Therefore the Messenger of Allah is hurt if she is hurt...."

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-2-her-status#2-fatimah-part-me

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(B) Angry for the Truth

After the death of the Messenger of Allah (sawa), she started a holy struggle of another kind. Her biggest concern was to prove the right of Ali to the caliphate, as an Imam appointed by Allah. All her actions centered upon this high goal, and when she talked about Fadak, she did not do so because it represented a financial need, as other people might try to acquire money, for - to her and her husband - Fadak was not worth anything. As Ali (as) put it: 'What do I do with Fadak and [anything] other than Fadak when the self will, tomorrow, end up in a grave?'26

Fatimah (as) proceeded in protecting the politics of truth with her stances, words, sermons and all her activities. The women of the Supporters (ansar) came to visit her during her final illness and started to inquire about her health, her pain and weakness. And how did she answer? She said: 'I have become abandoning your life, hating your men!'27 Why? Because they did not support the truth - did not stand with Ali (as) who represented the truth. Her stance was not because Ali (as) was her husband or cousin, but because he was her Imam, her custodian and leader (Walyy al-Amr), and the Muslims' Imam and their custodian and leader, and because Ali was with the truth and the truth with him, and because Ali was the one who was taught by the Messenger of Allah and to whom he (sawa) opened one thousand gates to knowledge, with each gate opening to one thousand other gates28; and because had Ali been handed over the rule, he would have ruled with truth and would have laid the foundation of justice."

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-3-role-model#b-angry-truth

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21 hours ago, ephemeral said:

 

why did ali a.s joined Abu bakr ra and umar ra if they were putting religion in danger ?

"..I therefore withheld my hand till I saw that many people were reverting from Islam and trying to destroy the religion of Muhammad (may Allah bless him and his descendants). I then feared that if I did not protect Islam and its people and there occurred in it a breach or destruction, it would mean a greater blow to me than the loss of power over you which was, in any case, to last for a few days of which everything would pass away as the mirage passes away, or as the cloud scuds away. Therefore, in these happenings I rose till wrong was destroyed and disappeared, and religion attained peace and safety..."

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-2-letters-and-sayings/letter-62-people-egypt-sent-through-malik-al-ashtar-when

Known as the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah1

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"...Beware! By Allah, the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr)2dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.

Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death).

I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was [Edited Out]ing in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself....."

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-3-Allah-son-abu-quhafah

Delivered when the Holy Prophet died and ‘Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib and Abu Sufyan ibn Harb offered to pay allegiance to Amir al-mu’minin for the Caliphate

"If I speak out they would call me greedy towards power but if I keep quiet they would say I was afraid of death. It is a pity that after all the ups and downs (I have been through). By Allah, the son of Abu Talib2 is more familiar with death than an infant with the breast of its mother. I have hidden knowledge, if I disclose it you will start trembling like ropes in deep wells....

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-5-o-people-steer-clear-through-waves-mischief

 

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21 hours ago, ephemeral said:

 

and if religion was in danger then why did she die angry and did not speak or stood against them firmly ? 

 

Is it obligatory to greet or is it obligatory to reply? in which case you would not reply? 

"When they entered and sat, she turned her face to the wall. They greeted her, but she did not answer. "

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-1-her-life-brief-account#5-she-died-angry-her-oppressors

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Her burial, grave and Ali's funeral farewell speech

Her protest did not stop at that; she continued her protest until her death. She asked Ali (as) to bury her at night 35 and that those who oppressed her and confiscated her right should not be present. She wanted to express her protest and opposition to aggression and injustice even after death, and she wanted it to be angry and hurtful, but with wisdom and convincing evidence and strong attitudes. She knew that people would start asking: why would the daughter of the Prophet (sawa) be buried at night? Why did she request that? What was happening? For this had not happened in Islam and everyone was expecting to participate in the funeral of their Prophet's daughter. But they were to find out that she was buried at night, and they would be told that that was her will!

The question spread out amongst Muslims: why? This is what Fatimah (as) wanted, to awaken consciences, and those who had been fooled would know the nature of the conspiracy and what had happened.

Moreover, her will also stated that her grave should be flattened so as to add another proof and witness to the injustice she suffered, and to eternalize her protest upon those who oppressed her...36

Ali (as) did exactly what she wanted and buried her at night and effaced her grave. The place of her grave remained unknown, although some narrations by the Imams of Ahlul Bayt (as) say that she was buried in her house, while others say that she was buried in the rauda (garden) which was, according to some scholars, what the Prophet (sawa) meant in his hadith: ‘Between my grave and my pulpit a garden from the gardens of paradise.' A third possibility, according to others, is that she was buried in the cemetery of al-Baqee'.37

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-1-her-life-brief-account#her-burial-grave-and-alis-funeral-farewell-speech

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On 21/02/2018 at 9:37 PM, yam_110 said:

Wow.. You are now discrediting the book which is considered second only to Quran in the Sunni world just because you want to save someone's backside at any cost.

Quit playing with words and acknowledge the truth. This messy formula you are trying to play with is going to land the Sunnis in a lot of trouble and there is no wisdom in using such a deceitful strategy.

Lol great akhlaaq is this what you learnt in Shiism?

This is an example of when you cannot fathom the answer you resort to attacks and abuse, not all but some, like you.

This messy formula has only got your great thinkers to try and make bukhari unauthentic because of it, great academic thinking that is. Lol.

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On 21/02/2018 at 10:01 PM, yam_110 said:

1. You are either lying or pretending to be ignorant of this well known fact. Speak to someone you consider to be an alim and he will tell what's written in your own books.

2. You mean Bibi Fatima (sa) didn't ask for Fadak to be returned to her? 

3. Again, you can't run from your own books. Read them properly before  jumping to incorrect conclusions.

We read in Musnaf of Imam Ibn Abi Shebah, Volume 7 page 432 Tradition 37045:

“Narrated Muhammad bin Bashir from Ubaidllah bin Umar from Zaid bin Aslam that his father Aslam said: ‘When the homage (baya) went to Abu Bakr after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Zubair were entering into the house of Fatima to consult her and revise their issue, so when Umar came to know about that, he went to Fatima and said : ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside.’

All the narrators are authentic as they are the narrators of Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim. Muhammad bin Bashir: Imam Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v2 p159), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p58). Ubaidllah bin Umar: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v1 p685), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p637). Zaid bin Aslam: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Hujja’ (Siar alam alnubala, v5 p316), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p326). Aslam al-Qurashi (the slave of Umar): Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Faqih, Imam’ (Siar alam alnubala, v4 p98), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p88).

1) There was no burning or threatening of Fatima ra, yes threats to Ali ra and Zubair ra.(Never carried out).

2) Yes She ra asked for fadak and was satisfied with the answer from the khaliph.

3) No threats on Fatima ra at all even from the what you provided.

No threats to Fatima ra because they loved Her ra more than their own families.

keep trying.

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On 21/02/2018 at 10:06 PM, yam_110 said:

He has to be deceitful in his words here otherwise there is no way he can defend the actions of his masters.

Never have I heard from anyone before saying that Bibi Fatima (sa) was not angry with Abu Bakr. So far people have only tried to downplay the anger but to no avail but this is the first. He even goes to the point of discrediting a hadith in Sahih Bukhari... Lol

How low can one stoop?

Deceitful? No I think that’s you, she wasn’t angry and passed away happy with the khaliph ra......get over it.

its not a discredit to bukhari as can be seen by the shia brothers sticking to that one point and not moving on.lol.

It’s all been explained at the starting of the thread and you can only stick to the word anger and yet forget other hadiths stating that Fatima ra was satisfied with the khaliph.

Anger is the word and it’s that word you will hold onto even if put in there by a known narrator who adds words in other works.

i can see it’s hard for you to comprehend that.

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12 minutes ago, Wisdom007 said:

she wasn’t angry and passed away happy with the khaliph ra......get over it.

You will see the fact one day, Insha-Allah..... 

And you will see the result of challenging the truth, concealing the truth, mixing up the truth & falsehood. 

One BIG Day!!!! 

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Can any evidence be found in Sunni sources that speak of the martyrdom of Lady Fatimah (as)?

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa5512

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The intrusion of Lady Fatimah’s (as) home and her martyrdom:

In this regard, we will cite some documents from Sunni sources, so that it becomes clear that the intrusion of Lady Fatimah’s (as) home and what took place after, is a clear historical fact, not a myth!! And although during the reign of the khalifahs, there was great censorship and prevention regarding writing about the virtues and merits of the Ahlul-Bayt, but this historical truth was ‘cast in stone’ and preserved in historical and hadith sources. In citing these sources, we will go in chronological order, from the first centuries after hijrah onward till contemporary writers.

1- Ibn Abi Sheybah and the book Al-Musannaf

Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Sheybah (159-235 ah), the author of the book Al-Musannaf narrates through an authentic chain of narraters:

“When the people pledged their allegiance (bey’ah) to Abu Bakr, Ali and Zubeyr were speaking and consulting with each other in Lady Fatimah’s home, and Umar was informed of this. He went to Lady Fatimah’s (as) home and said: “O daughter of the messenger of Allah, the most beloved of all to us was your father and after him, you, but by God this love will in no way get in the way of me having this home put to fire if these individuals gather in it. Having said this, he left. When Ali (as) and Zubeyr returned, the noble daughter of the prophet (pbuh) said to Ali (as) and Zubeyr: “Umar came to me and swore that if you continue to gather here, he will have it put to fire. By God! He will do what he has sworn to do![1]

 

2- Baladheri and the book Ansab al-Ashraf

Ahmad ibn Yahya Jaber Baghdadi Baladheri (270 ah), the renowned writer and author of a great historical book, has narrated this incident in his book of Ansab al-Ashraf:

Abu Bakr sent for Ali (as) to get bey’ah from him, but Ali (as) refused to do so. Then Umar mobilized with a torch, and was confronted by Fatimah at the door of her home. Fatimah (as) said: “O son of Khattab, I can see that you want to my home to fire?!” Umar replied: “Yes, this will help what your father was sent for (meaning that this is to Islam’s benefit)!!”[2]

 

3- Ibn Qutaybah and the book Al-Imamah wal-Siyasah:

The famous historian, Abdullah bin Muslim bin Qutaybh Deynwari (212-276) was one of the leaders in the field of literature and a very hardworking writer in the field of Islamic history. Ta’wil Mukhtalaf al-Hadith and Adab al-Kateb are only some of his works. In his book of Al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, he writes:

Abu Bakr asked about those who had refrained from pledging their allegiance to him and had gathered in Ali’s (as) home, sending Umar after them. He came to the door of Ali’s (as) home and called everyone so they would come out, but they refused. Here, Umar ordered for wood to be brought and said: “By the God who Umar’s life lays in the hands of, come out or I will burn the house down on you. One man said to Umar: “O Aba Khafs (his surname), in this home, there is Fatimah, the daughter of the prophet!” Umar replied: “Let it be!”[3]

Ibn Qutaybah continues the narrative in a more saddening and heartbreaking manner:

Umar, along with a group, came to the door of Fatimah’s home and knocked. When Fatimah heard their voices, she said in a loud voice: “O Rasulullah! How we suffered from the son of Khattab and Abu Quhafah after you!” Upon hearing this, the people with Umar returned, but Umar and a group remained there and brought Ali out of the home, took him to Abu Bakr and said: “Do bey’ah!” Ali said: “What if I don’t?” They replied: “By the God that there is no other God but Him, we will behead you…”[4]

Clearly, this incident in history is hard and bitter on the supporters of the two khalifahs, and that is why some have questioned Ibn Qutaybah’s book; this is while Ibn Abi al-Hadid, a great historical expert, sees this book to indeed belong to him and frequently quotes from it. Unfortunately though, this book has been subject to alteration and portions of it have been omitted in its print, while those same portions have been quoted in Ibn Abi al-Hadid’s commentary on the Nahjul-Balaghah.

Zerekli, in the book of A’lam considers this book to be of the works of Ibn Qutaybah and adds that some of the ulema have a different view in this regard, in other words, he attributes doubt to scholars other than himself. Ilyas Sirkis[5] also considers this book to belong to Ibn Qutaybah.

4- Tabari and his history book:

Muhammad ibn Jarir Tabari (310 ah) narrates the story of the intrusion of Lady Fatimah’s (as) home in his history book as such:

Umar ibn Khattab came to Ali’s home, while some of the Muhajerin were gathered therein. He faced them saying: “By God I will set the house to fire unless you come out for bey’ah. Zubayr exited the home with a drawn sword, but he tripped and the sword fell from his hand and the others rushed to him and seized the sword.[6]

This part of history shows us that getting bey’ah for the khalifah was through threatening and fear; is such bey’ah really worth anything? The reader must judge for himself.

5- Ibn Abd Rabbih and the book Al-Aqd al-Farid:

Shahab al-Din Ahmad, known by the name ‘Ibn Abd Rabbihi Andulusi, author of Al-Aqd al-Farid (463 ah), has written in detail about the history of Saqifah, and writes about ‘those who refused to do bey’ah with Abu Bakr’ in such manner:

Ali and Abbas and Zubayr were sitting in the home of Fatimah (as), it was then that Abu Bakr sent Umar to get them out of Fatimah’s home and said to him: “If they refuse to come out, attack them! At this moment, Umar ibn Khattab left for Fatimah’s home with some fire so that he could set it on fire, but was confronted by Fatimah. The daughter of the prophet said: “O son of Khattab! Have you come to set my house on fire?! He answered: “Yes! Unless you also do as the rest of the nation has done (and do bey’ah)!”[7]

Till this part of our article, we tried mentioning passages from different books about how there was a decision on intruding and violating the home of Lady Fatimah (as). In the second part of the article, we will speak about what actually happened after that.

Did an attack on the home of Lady Fatimah actually take place?

Until now, we spoke of the dishonorable intentions of the khalifah and his followers. Some historians leave it at that and either didn’t or couldn’t speak of what happened afterwards, while others have engaged in the tragedy that took place after that, meaning the attack on the home of Lady Fatimah (as), and have to some extent unveiled the truth of what happened. Here we will cite these sources and as we did in the first section, we will list the sources in chronological order:

6- Abu Ubayd and the book Al-Amwal:

Abu Ubayd Qasem bin Salam (224 ah) in his book of Al-Amwal which is relied on by Islamic faqihs narrates:

Abul-Rahman ibn Awf says: “I went into Abu Bakr’s home when he was ill to visit him, after speaking for a long time, he said to me: “There are three things I have done in my lifetime that I wish I hadn’t, the same way there are three things that I never did that I wish I had. Also, there are three things I wish I had asked the prophet.

As for the three things I have done that I wish I hadn’t:

I wish I had never violated the respect of Fatimah’s home and left it as it was, even though they had closed it (to plot for) an assault.[8] When Abu Ubeyd is narrating this part of the narration, instead of mentioning the phrase: لم أکشف بیت فاطمه و ترکته... (I wish I hadn’t violated the respect of Fatimah’s home), he just says “and so on”, adding that he doesn’t like to narrate that part!

But whenever Abu Ubeyd, because of his religious bias or any other reason, refuses to narrate the truth, researchers and commentators of Al-Amwal write it in its footnote; the omitted sentences have been mentioned in the book Mizan al-I’tidal. In addition to that, Tabarani in his Mu’jam, and Ibn Abd Rabbih in Aqd al-Farid and others have mentioned the omitted sentences.

7- Tabarani and the Mu’jam Kabir:

Abul-Qasem Suleyman bin Ahmad Tabarani (260-360), whom Dhahabi in Mizan al-I’tidal describes as a reliable individual[9], says in his Al-Mu’jam al-Kabir‌ (which has been printed many times) when speaking of Abu Bakr and his sermons and death: “Upon death, Abu Bakr wished several things. (He said) I wish I had not done three things (that I did) in my life, had done three things (that I never did) in my life, and had asked the prophet three things (that I never did). Regarding the three things he had done and wished he hadn’t, he said: “The three things I wish I had never done; I wish I had never violated the respect of Fatimah’s home and had left it as it was![10] This shows that Umar’s threats had actually taken place and had been carried out.

8- Ibn Abd Rabbih and Aqd al-Farid:

Ibn Abd Rabbihi Andulusi, writer of the book Aqd al-Farid (463 ah) in his book narrates from Abdul-Rahman ibn Awf that: “I visited Abu Bakr in his home during his sickness and he said: “There are three things I wish I had never done, one of those three things was that I wish I had never opened the home of Fatimah although they had closed its doors (to plot) for an assault.[11] We will list the names and the words of those figures who have narrated these words of the khalifah.

9- Nadham’s words in the book Al-Wafi bil-Wafayat:

Ibrahim ibn Sayar Nadham Mu’tazili (160-231 ah), who is renowned for his proficiency in literature and writing, thus earning him the title ‘Nadham’, has, in multiple books, narrated what happened in the home of Lady Fatimah (as). He says: “On the day when bey’ah was being done for Abu Bakr, he struck a blow at Fatimah’s stomach, causing her to miscarry the baby named Muhsin that she bore in her womb!!”[12] (Please pay attention here)

10- Mubarrad in the book of Kamel:

Muhammad ibn Yazid bin Abdul-Akbar Baghdadi (210-285 ah) a famous writer and compiler of great works, in his book of Al-Kamel, recounts the story of the wishes of the khalifah, narrating from Abdul-Rahman ibn Awf: “I wish I had never opened the home of Fatimah and I had left it even if they had closed it for battle.”[13]

11- Mas’udi in Muruj al-Dhahab:

Mas’udi (325 ah) writes in his Muruj al-Dhahab:

When Abu Bakr was on the verge of death, he said: “I have done three things I wish I had never done, one of those three things is that I wish I had never violated the respect of Fatimah’s home” and he said many things in this respect!”[14]

Although Mas’udi is positively inclined towards and likes the Ahlul-Bayt, but here he doesn’t finish narrating the khalifah’s words and only allusively finishes it. But Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى knows the truth and His servants also have a general idea!

12- Ibn Abi Darem in the book Mizan al-I’tidal:

Ahmad ibn Muhammad, known as Ibn Abi Darem, a Kufi narrator of hadith (357 ah), is one whom Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Hammad Kufi describes as: “کان مستقیم الأمر، عامة دهره” which translates as: He was on the right path all his life.

Keeping this status in mind, he recounts that in his presence, this news was given that Umar kicked Lady Fatimah and she miscarried the child she bore, whom they had named Muhsin![15] (Please pay attention)

13- Abdul-Fattah Abdul-Maqsud and the book Al-Imam Ali:

He has narrated the attack on the home of Fatimah (as) in two places of his book; we will only cite one here:

“By the God who Umar’s life lays in the hands of, either you come out or I burn the house down on those in it. A group who feared Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى and kept the respect of the household of the prophet (pbuh) after him said: “O Aba Hafs, Fatimah is in this home.” He brazenly yelled: “Let it be!” He went close and knocked, then kicked and hit at it with his fist so that it would open by force. Ali (as) came…Fatimah’s scream rose from close to the entrance of the home…this was her scream for help…!”[16](we chose not to quote all the details for this is very tragic)

We will close with another hadith by Muqatil bin Atiyyah in the book Al-Imamah wal-Siyasah (although many things are still left unsaid!)

In this book he writes:

“When Abu Bakr got bey’ah from the people by threat and the sword and force, Umar sent Qunfudh along with a group to Ali and Fatimah’s home, and Umar gathered wood and set the home on fire…[17] In continuation of this, other incidents that took place have been mentioned by him that we are ashamed and devastated to mention.

Conclusion: Considering all the documents and records that have mentioned this incident, can one still say that Lady Fatimah’s martyrdom is only a myth?! Is this really being fair?! Any unbiased person should be moved by the facts listed above and what happened after the demise of the holy prophet (pbuh), and to what measures some were willing to go to, to consolidate their control of power. What was written here leaves no excuse for the unbiased reader, none of what was mentioned above was made up by us, all of it was from their sources.[18]

 

[1] Musannaf Ibn Abi Sheybah, vol. 8, pg. 572, kitab al-maghazi (the chapter on battles). “انّه حین بویع لأبی بکر بعد رسول اللّه(صلى الله علیه وآله) کان علی و الزبیر یدخلان على فاطمة بنت رسول اللّه، فیشاورونها و یرتجعون فی أمرهم. فلما بلغ ذلک عمر بن الخطاب خرج حتى دخل على فاطمة، فقال: یا بنت رسول اللّه(صلى الله علیه وآله) و اللّه ما أحد أحبَّ إلینا من أبیک و ما من أحد أحب إلینا بعد أبیک منک، و أیم اللّه ما ذاک بمانعی إن اجتمع هؤلاء النفر عندک أن امرتهم أن یحرق علیهم البیت”

[2] Ansab al-Ashraf, vol. 1, pg. 586, Dar Ma’aref Publications, Qahirah. “انّ أبابکر أرسل إلى علىّ یرید البیعة فلم یبایع، فجاء عمر و معه فتیلة! فتلقته فاطمة على الباب. فقالت فاطمة: یابن الخطاب، أتراک محرقاً علىّ بابى؟ قال: نعم، و ذلک أقوى فیما جاء به أبوک...”

[3] Al-Imamah wal-Siyasah:12, Maktabah Tijariyyah Kubra, Egypt. “انّ أبابکر رضی اللّه عنه تفقد قوماً تخلّقوا عن بیعته عند علی کرم اللّه وجهه فبعث إلیهم عمر فجاء فناداهم و هم فی دار على، فأبوا أن یخرجوا فدعا بالحطب و قال: والّذی نفس عمر بیده لتخرجن أو لاحرقنها على من فیها، فقیل له: یا أبا حفص انّ فیها فاطمة فقال، و إن!!”.

[4] Al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, pg. 13. “ثمّ قام عمر فمشى معه جماعة حتى أتوا فاطمة فدقّوا الباب فلمّا سمعت أصواتهم نادت بأعلى صوتها یا أبتاه رسول اللّه ماذا لقینا بعدک من ابن الخطاب، و ابن أبی قحافة فلما سمع القوم صوتها و بکائها انصرفوا. و بقی عمر و معه قوم فأخرجوا علیاً فمضوا به إلى أبی بکر فقالوا له بایع، فقال: إن أنا لم أفعل فمه؟ فقالوا: إذاً و اللّه الّذى لا إله إلاّ هو نضرب عنقک...!”

[5] Mu’jam al-Matbu’at al-Arabiyyah, vol. 1, pg. 212.

[6] Tarikh Tabari, vol. 2, pg. 443, Beirut. “أتى عمر بن الخطاب منزل علی و فیه طلحة و الزبیر و رجال من المهاجرین، فقال و اللّه لاحرقن علیکم أو لتخرجنّ إلى البیعة، فخرج علیه الزّبیر مصلتاً بالسیف فعثر فسقط السیف من یده، فوثبوا علیه فأخذوه”

[7] Aqd al-Farid, vol. 4, pg. 93, Maktabah Hilal Publications. “فأمّا علی و العباس و الزبیر فقعدوا فی بیت فاطمة حتى بعثت إلیهم أبوبکر، عمر بن الخطاب لیُخرجهم من بیت فاطمة و قال له: إن أبوا فقاتِلهم، فاقبل بقبس من نار أن یُضرم علیهم الدار، فلقیته فاطمة فقال: یا ابن الخطاب أجئت لتحرق دارنا؟! قال: نعم، أو تدخلوا فیما دخلت فیه الأُمّة!”

[8] Al-Amwal, footnote 4, Nashr Kuliyyat Az’hariyyah, Al-Amwal, 144, Beirut, and also: Ibn Abd Rabbih, Aqd al-Farid, vol. 4, pg. 93 has narrated, as will be mentioned later on “وددت انّی لم أکشف بیت فاطمة و ترکته و ان اغلق على الحرب”.

[9] Mizan al-I’tidal, vol. 2, pg. 195.

[10] Mu’jam Kabir Tabarani, vol. 1, pg. 62, hadith 34, research of Hamdi Abdul-Majid Salafi. “أمّا الثلاث اللائی وددت أنی لم أفعلهنّ، فوددت انّی لم أکن أکشف بیت فاطمة و ترکته.”

[11] Aqd al-Farid, vol. 4, pg. 93, Maktabah al-Hilal Publications. “وودت انّی لم أکشف بیت فاطمة عن شی و إن کانوا اغلقوه على الحرب.”

[12] Al-Wafi bil-Wafayat, vol. 6, pg. 17, no. 2444; Milal wa Nihal (Shahrestani), vol. 1, pg. 57, Darul-Ma’rifah Publications, Beirut. Also, in Nadham’s report on the book Buhuthun fil-Milal wal-Nihal, see: vol. 3, pp. 248-255. “انّ عمر ضرب بطن فاطمة یوم البیعة حتى ألقت المحسن من بطنها.”.

[13] Sharh Nahjul-Balaghah, vol. 2, pp. 46 and 47, Egypt. “وددت انّی لم أکن کشفت عن بیت فاطمة و ترکته ولو أغلق على الحرب.”

[14] Muruj al-Dhahab, vol. 2, pg. 301, Dar Andulus Publications, Beirut. “فوددت انّی لم أکن فتشت بیت فاطمة و ذکر فی ذلک کلاماً کثیراً!”

[15] Mizan al-I’tidal, vol. 3, pg. 459. “انّ عمر رفس فاطمة حتى أسقطت بمحسن.”

[16] Abdul-Fattah Abdul-Maqsud, Ali ibn Abi Taleb, vol. 4, pp. 276-277. “و الّذی نفس عمر بیده، لیَخرجنَّ أو لأحرقنّها على من فیها...! قالت له طائفة خافت اللّه، و رعت الرسول فی عقبه: یا أبا حفص، إنّ فیها فاطمة...! فصاح لایبالى: و إن..! و اقترب و قرع الباب، ثمّ ضربه و اقتحمه... و بداله علىّ... و رنّ حینذاک صوت الزهراء عند مدخل الدار... فان هى الا طنین استغاثة...”

[17] Kitab al-Imamah wal-Khilafah, pp. 160 and 161. This book of Muqatil ibn Atiyyah has been published with an introduction by Dr. Hamed Dawud, a professor at Eynul-Shams University in Qahirah. “ان ابابکر بعد ما اخذ البیعة لنفسه من الناس بالارهاب و السیف و القوّة ارسل عمر، و قنفذاً و جماعة الى دار علىّ و فاطمه(علیه السلام) و جمع عمر الحطب على دار فاطمه و احرق باب الدار!..”

[18] This response has been abridged and adopted from an article by Ayatullah Makarem Shirazi. Also, you can refer to the following web address: http://www.tebyan.net/index.aspx?pid=67823

 

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17 hours ago, Wisdom007 said:

Lol great akhlaaq is this what you learnt in Shiism?

This is an example of when you cannot fathom the answer you resort to attacks and abuse, not all but some, like you.

This messy formula has only got your great thinkers to try and make bukhari unauthentic because of it, great academic thinking that is. Lol.

It's not me but you whose akhlaaq is a big question mark. When something is proved from the most authentic book amongst Sunnis, your only answer is to discredit the narration which means you are discrediting something which is called Sahih by your people. So don't blame me for attacking you but you brought it upon yourself by trying to deceive people here. 

And btw, there was nothing academic in your response to begin with; so stop pretending and accept the truth.

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17 hours ago, Wisdom007 said:

1) There was no burning or threatening of Fatima ra, yes threats to Ali ra and Zubair ra.(Never carried out).

2) Yes She ra asked for fadak and was satisfied with the answer from the khaliph.

3) No threats on Fatima ra at all even from the what you provided.

No threats to Fatima ra because they loved Her ra more than their own families.

keep trying.

1) Lol... You have a Sahih narration right in front of you acknowledged by your own scholars about the threat by Umar and what do you do? You simply deny it and say that nothing happened. Wow. The greatness of Sunnism at full sight here. Deny the facts and claim to be the guided people.

2) She was satisfied? I am not sure if you are just ignorant or a liar. Read your Sahih books and come back here with your response. She died angry with the Caliphs and there is a complete sermon which she delivered where she ripped the answers provided by the caliphs to pieces. Btw, last time I checked being angry with someone doesn't equate to being satisfied with their answer.

3) I asked you a question which you have not answered yet. I will give you the benefit of doubt and say that you might have genuinely missed it. Can you please answer the below question?

 

Unfortunately for you, your concocted story is not supported by your own books. So man up and accept the truth instead of lying here. 

I don't have to try at all as any sane person reading this thread would be able to find out the truth about how the Caliphs usurped the rights of Ahlulbayt and threatened to burn their house down. All you need to see the truth is a pure heart with no animosity towards the house of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

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17 hours ago, Wisdom007 said:

Deceitful? No I think that’s you, she wasn’t angry and passed away happy with the khaliph ra......get over it.

its not a discredit to bukhari as can be seen by the shia brothers sticking to that one point and not moving on.lol.

It’s all been explained at the starting of the thread and you can only stick to the word anger and yet forget other hadiths stating that Fatima ra was satisfied with the khaliph.

Anger is the word and it’s that word you will hold onto even if put in there by a known narrator who adds words in other works.

i can see it’s hard for you to comprehend that.

It's not my fault that your beloved Imam Bukhari and other Sunni scholars narrated that Bibi Fatima (sa) died while she was angry with the Caliphs. If you want to accuse someone then it has to be them.

But since you are neither at the level of Bukhari or other reputed Sunni scholars, your deceitful words hold NO value here. 

So you can take your bunch of lies elsewhere but if you are genuinely here to learn then as requested earlier, please present Quranic verse(s) which supports Abu Bakr's narrative about the inheritance of the Prophets.

:ws:

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Part 5 - Defending the Right and Truth

'O people! Know that I am Fatimah and my father is Muhammad! I say again from the start, and I do not say what I say wrongfully, nor do I do what I do without reason. If you seek his family descent you shall find him father of me and not your other women, and the brother of my cousin, not your men;

and you have been on the edge of Hell. Humiliated people, fearing the raids of the people around you, so Allah the Most High saved you by Muhammad, every time they lit a war fire Allah extinguished it, Or the polytheists opened their mouths [with their canines to bite], he [the Prophet] send his brother [Ali] unto their mouth ceilings [i.e. sent him to the points of danger and death]; he would not come back until he stepped with his foot on their ears and extinguished their flames with his sword, tired for Allah's sake near to the Messenger of Allah, a master amongst Allah's holy people... Whilst you were in soft living... And when Allah chose for his Prophet the place of His prophets and the shelter of His chosen [people],

the enmity of hypocrisy showed up amongst you, and the dress of religion got worn out...Then he [Satan] called upon you and found you quick [in responding to his call], and made you angry [to instigate your bad response] and found you angry [behaving out of emotional reactions]... and that whilst the time was [still] near, and the calamity wide, and the wound still open, and the Messenger had just been buried!

 Excerpts from her sermon in the Mosque

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-3-role-model#part-4-justice-imamah-and-other-jurisprudence-secrets

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