Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars

[Ya Allah]

AlSalam Alikom,

I'd like to know if there's a hadeeth from AhulBayt (AS) revealing how the Earth is rotating with relation to the Sun. Is Earth really revolving around the Sun or is the other way around.

I read that the first that came up with the idea that everything revolve around the Sun is Copernicus who is a Pagan believer (Sun worshiper ), so in that regard (to his own belief ) everything should worship the Sun by revolving around it including Earth that embrace Bayt Allah.

Was there any work done by our astrophysicist  scholars ? Before this guy came along everyone believed that Earth was the center of the universe. From the Islamic point of view that seems to be the correct path.

[Fakeha]

Part 4,sermon 91 

Nehjul Balagha

[Aquib Rizvi]

6 hours ago, Ya Allah said:

AlSalam Alikom,

I'd like to know if there's a hadeeth from AhulBayt (AS) revealing how the Earth is rotating with relation to the Sun. Is Earth really revolving around the Sun or is the other way around.

I read that the first that came up with the idea that everything revolve around the Sun is Copernicus who is a Pagan believer (Sun worshiper ), so in that regard (to his own belief ) everything should worship the Sun by revolving around it including Earth that embrace Bayt Allah.

Was there any work done by our astrophysicist  scholars ? Before this guy came along everyone believed that Earth was the center of the universe. From the Islamic point of view that seems to be the correct path.

Wa aleykumsalaam,

We have hadeeth which says Sun and moon are fixed to it place and does not leave his place, while earth has its own orbit to follow, I quoting excerpt from long hadeeth:

Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ibn Ahmad ibn al-Walid (RA) said: Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Saffar said on the authority of Ibrahim ibn Hashim, on the authority of Muhammad ibn
Hammad, on the authority of al-Hasan ibn Ibrahim, on the authority of Yunus ibn `Abd al-Rahman, on the authority of Yunus ibn Ya`qub that `Ali ibn Mansur reported to me that Hisham ibn al-Hakam said: 

"...Abu `Abd Allah said: O man! There is no authority for the one who knows over the one who knows not. Likewise, there is no authority for the ignorant over the learned. O my Egyptian brother! Understand this from me! We never doubt in Allah. Do you not see the sun and the moon, and the night and day? They have recourse, but they do not make mistakes. They come and they go. They are both compelled. There is not place for them except their own place. If they both had the power to leave, and not come back, then why do they come back? If they both are not compelled, then why does the night change into the day, and the day into night? By Allah, O Egyptian brother, they are both compelled to continue their routine. Surely, their Compeller is Wiser and Greater than they are! The atheist said: “You are right.”

Abu `Abd Allah (AS) then said: O Egyptian brother! They way you atheists reason is wrong. Time does not bring anything into existence. If the passage of time can take then away, then why does it not return them? And if the passage of time can return them, when why does it not take them away? They are compelled, O Egyptian brother! The sky has been raised, and the earth has been set down. Why is it that the sky does not collide with the earth? And why is it that the earth does not collide with the sky? Why is it that the earth does not go out of its orbit? Who holds them together and who holds together what is between them?..."

Source: at-Tawheed by Shaykh Saduq, Pg 293, H 4.
 

 

[Ya Allah]

3 hours ago, Aquib Rizvi said:

Wa aleykumsalaam,

We have hadeeth which says Sun and moon are fixed to it place and does not leave his place, while earth has its own orbit to follow, I quoting excerpt from long hadeeth:

Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ibn Ahmad ibn al-Walid (RA) said: Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Saffar said on the authority of Ibrahim ibn Hashim, on the authority of Muhammad ibn
Hammad, on the authority of al-Hasan ibn Ibrahim, on the authority of Yunus ibn `Abd al-Rahman, on the authority of Yunus ibn Ya`qub that `Ali ibn Mansur reported to me that Hisham ibn al-Hakam said: 

"...Abu `Abd Allah said: O man! There is no authority for the one who knows over the one who knows not. Likewise, there is no authority for the ignorant over the learned. O my Egyptian brother! Understand this from me! We never doubt in Allah. Do you not see the sun and the moon, and the night and day? They have recourse, but they do not make mistakes. They come and they go. They are both compelled. There is not place for them except their own place. If they both had the power to leave, and not come back, then why do they come back? If they both are not compelled, then why does the night change into the day, and the day into night? By Allah, O Egyptian brother, they are both compelled to continue their routine. Surely, their Compeller is Wiser and Greater than they are! The atheist said: “You are right.”

Abu `Abd Allah (AS) then said: O Egyptian brother! They way you atheists reason is wrong. Time does not bring anything into existence. If the passage of time can take then away, then why does it not return them? And if the passage of time can return them, when why does it not take them away? They are compelled, O Egyptian brother! The sky has been raised, and the earth has been set down. Why is it that the sky does not collide with the earth? And why is it that the earth does not collide with the sky? Why is it that the earth does not go out of its orbit? Who holds them together and who holds together what is between them?..."

Source: at-Tawheed by Shaykh Saduq, Pg 293, H 4.
 

 

I have checked the hadeeth, there seems to be misinterpretation. The notion of going and coming means they are in motion and not sitting in one place.

Why does earth not go out of its orbit ?

It doesn't say that in Arabic, it says why earth doesnt get pushed down (crushed) from the weight on top.

[Ashvazdanghe]

There are some Fast stars, some slower, and some at mid-speed. "

Imam Sadiq (as) biharul Anvar v3  p162

Edited February 10, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

با صلوات برمحمد وآل محمد
با سلام بر شما دوست گرامی 
در ابتداء به محضر مبارک کلمات امیر بیان امام المتقین علی (ع) اشاره می گردد:
1- آفرینش آسمان وزمین در خطبه 185بند 24-27،خطبه171بند1،خطبه185بند 18-17،خطبه160بند 7-8خطبه 91بند 32
2- آفرینش دوباره آسمان وزمین؛خطبه 109بند 29
3- چگونگی آفرینش آسمان ها؛خطبه 91بند32
4- شگفتی آفرینش موجودات وآسمان؛خطبه 1بند10-17
5- شگفتی آفرینش هفت آسمان؛خطبه 211بند2
در مورeد زمین

ابلهم صلی علی محمد وآله، كلمات أمير الإمام المتقين علي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) مدرجة أدناه: 1- إنشاء السماء في العظة 185 من الأقسام 24-27، خطبة 171، الفقرة 1، خطبة 185، الفقرات 18-17، خطبة 160، الفقرة 7-8، البند 91، الفقرة 32 2- الخلق مرة أخرى من السماء؛ خطبة 109 من 29 3. كيفية خلق السماوات؛ خطبة 91، الفقرة 32 4. عجائب خلق الكائنات والأوقات؛ خطبة 1 من §10-17 5. عجائب إنشاء السماوات السبع؛ خطبة 211، الفقرة 2 حول الأرض 1. كيفية خلق الأرض؛ خطبة 91، الفقرة 65 2. الجيولوجيا؛ خطبة 91، الفقرة 65 عجائب إنشاء أرض الأرض؛ خطبة 211، الفقرة 7-8 3 - عجائب خلق الأرض؛ خطبة 91، §62-96 4. عجائب إنشاء الأرض للمخلوقات؛ خطبة 171، الفقرة 2-3، خطبة 211، الفقرة 2 5. جودة خلق السماوات، خطبة 160 من 7-8 6. دور الأرض في الخلق؛ خطبة 171، الفقرة 2

1- چگونگی آفرینش زمین؛خطبه91بند 65

 

With Salavat Burmohammad and Mohammad Greetings to you dear friend Initially, the words of Amir al-Imam al-Muttaqin Ali (peace be upon him) are listed below: 1- Creation of Heaven in the Sermon 185 of Sections 24-27, Sermon 171, paragraph 1, Sermon 185, paras. 18-17, sermon 160, paragraph 7-8, line 91, paragraph 32 2- Creation again of heaven; Sermon 109 of 29 3. How to create the heavens; Sermon 91, paragraph 32 4. The wonders of the creation of the beings and the times; the sermon 1 of §10-17 5. The wonders of the creation of the seven heavens; Sermon 211, paragraph 2 About land 1. How to create the earth; Sermon 91, paragraph 65 2. Geology; Sermon 91, paragraph 65 The wonders of the creation of the lands of the earth; Sermon 211, par.7-8 3-The wonders of the creation of the earth; Sermon 91, §62-96 4. The wonders of the creation of the earth for the creatures; sermon 171, par.2-3, sermon 211, paragraph 2 5. The quality of the creation of the heavens; the sermon 160 of 7-8 6. The Role of Earth in Creation; Sermon 171, paragraph 2

 

 

[Hamodiii]

They were so smart yet they still believed in Allah, that is beyond me, I can't understand that. 

 

[Fakeha]

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-91-praise-belongs-god-who