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Will Israel-Hizbollah war break out?

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5 hours ago, Shah Khan said:

That is why I used :

 

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

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17 minutes ago, Jimmy Boy said:

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

We only pray to Allah & ahlulbayt  (as) are our mediators  (Waseela) not something to worship

Envy & Evil eye

 

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17 minutes ago, Jimmy Boy said:

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

We only pray to Allah & ahlulbayt  (as) are our mediators  (Waseela) not something to worship

Envy & Evil eye

 

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi do you want that we drop flower under war boots of Israel Army .it seems that you are heavily under influence of Israel propaganda 

:hahaha:

if in region Shia. Muslim groups & governments  didn’t stand against them beside Islam there will be no any Real Jews & Christians  existsts now .:NH:

Iranian Jews to Israel “Our National Identity is not for sale “

 

 

 

This news is not on the mainstream. This should be exposed as a proof of how stupid Zionist Israel is.

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On 2/5/2018 at 1:14 AM, Jimmy Boy said:

The question is in the title.What are your views?

Whenever football world cup starts or Olympic game begins, Israel invades somewhere, mostly Gaza but this time with the aid of brother KSA :P they might invade Lebanon.

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

Israel already beat Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah himself states that he wouldn't have done the war if he knew he would have lost very badly. Hezbollah lost a thousand or so soldiers Israel lost a hundred this is about a rogue estimate during the war in Lebanon.

Losing means they accomplished their goals, they didn't, they left Lebanon with every goal not met, sure they killed a lot of civilians which is why Hezbollah stated they wouldn't have started the war if they knew Israel would kill so many civilians, that's very different from saying we lost, they never said if they lost, you obviously do not read statements properly. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

PLO has never renounced violence and they were responsible for the Lebanese civil war in the 1970s when they evicted Lebanese Christians from their homes if PLO was using south Lebanon as a rocket base was Israel supposed to sit around no neither should Lebanese.

They have renounced violence after the Oslo accords. Israel's decision to invade Lebanon to remove the PLO while you justify it however, led to an occupation that massacred a ton of shiites in the south even Ehud Barak said this. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

And should I really show you what PLO teaches Palestinian kids in this modern day, Israel can grab as much land as it wants if it's really the evil state that you portray it to be it doesn't need any strategic purpose it has all the means to do anything it wants

It's funny because it is doing exactly this as we speak. Look at the West Bank and look at the growth of settlements. It has no ability to do anything if there is a violent response to it, much like Saudi Arabia cannot do much to Yemen, even though they have an air force that pounds Yemen. You need a ground army but Israel cannot afford to lose many men, hence why they've failed to achieve what they want in Lebanon. They can bomb all of Lebanon and kill civilians on a mass scale but that will create a backlash that Israel, a nation that is losing legitimacy on the world stage according to popular opinion in Europe and the US cannot tolerate. And oh speaking of education, you should see how the Israeli leadership refers to Arabs, but you'd probably think that was fine because you have a personal beef with Palestinians. So when Aylet Shaked calls them snakes, and justifies genocide against them and when their minister Miri Regev calls African migrants a cancer you get a sense of the mentality the Palestinians deal with.  But it's the indoctrination of Palestinians that's the problem. Man you sound exactly like Brigitte Gabriel,  I highly doubt you've read up on this issue, and understood it from an academic perspective. 

 

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

I've met an Arab Muslim family from Israel they get religious freedom, free education, free medical care, and don't even have to serve in the military unlike Israeli Jews.

Yet in Israel, an Arab with family in the West Bank cannot get that family to move to Israel, but a Jew with no ties to the country can move to the country in a weeks time. Why? Because the state fears losing an ethnocratic nature that has nothing organic about it to begin with. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

Israel even allows Pan Arab anti Zionist parties to exist within its country like Balad and Hadash is there any Muslim country that will allow a Zionist party to exist that pretty much says it all.

Oh yeah please allow these parties and allow the populations you occupy to vote in elections, namely those in the West Bank and those under siege in Gaza. Israel won't stop occupying these people yet at the same time won't give them voting rights, but Jews living in the West Bank have voting rights in Israeli elections. The only reason the Arab parties exist is because Israel has the demographics to allow it, if those demographics became problematic, they would do everything to stop it. 

Here's a good article for you; https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?referer=https://www.google.com/.

It really amazes me that people don't think when they make these statements. Iran is not a secular democracy calling itself a light onto other nations, Israel claims it is. And so, a nation calling itself a light onto other nations shouldn't be compared to a regime it frequently calls the reincarnation of modern day Nazi germany. Ask Jews in Iran how they are treated and compare it to those living under martial law in the occupied territories or under siege in Gaza. But knowing the arguments you're making, you'd probably think the Palestinians deserve to be occupied or you'll bring up the same old talking points about Israel leaving Gaza etc. and Hamas taking over despite these talking points having been debunked over and over again by scholars that have done extensive research in this area if only you bothered to read. Iran's flaws do not make Israel's flaws ok. I don't know why you compare the two, Iran doesn't even claim to be a democracy in the traditional sense, Israel does and calls itself a beacon of brightness in a dark part of the world etc.

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@Mishael 

1- Netanyahu said 2006 was not a victory.

2- Israel limits the amount of food and supplies into Gaza - what they called "calorie limits". 

3- Officials in the Netanyahu government are downright genocidal in their statements. Like Ayelet Shaked, the Justice Minister, who said all Palestinians are enemies.

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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

Miri Regev and Aylet Shaked do not equal Israelis anymore then Khalid Meshal equals Palestinians neither do I like everyone in the Israeli government nor do I like all its policies.

Well then obviously you don't look at polls; https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html%3famp. And  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/most-israeli-jews-agree-africans-are-a-cancer/amp/. But hate developed from an occupation is real hate, this somehow according to you is a fringe insignificant view. Please learn some facts. Also, yes Palestinians get permits but even getting those permits is rare and frankly getting a permit to work in Israel is like saying well we'll give you a permit if you contribute to the Israeli economy but well if you're Jewish we don't care. The blue cards you mention are not citizenship and hence, deny Palestinians right to vote which doesn't threaten the political system whose Arab representatives are sure to remain irrelevant owing to Israel's policies on who votes and who doesn't. 

5 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arabs of the West Bank can also recieve permits to enter Israel to visit families in Arab villages or to visit the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem

To visit. Even then they face enormous challenges. They need permits to even leave, remember Gazans aren't even allowed to control their own airspace and thus have an airport. 

6 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arabs of the West Bank are free to apply for Israeli citizenship

Where's your proof? This isn't true. And even if it is, would the Israeli government accept 1 million Arabs from the West Bank? Of course it wouldn't, it would gladly pay money for Jews from Europe or the US to go live there though.

7 minutes ago, Mishael said:

There is no siege in Gaza I know Palestinians who have family members there, there isn't any siege even when there is a sister if you can call it one Israel allows food and medical care to pass through unlike say the Egyptian siege of Gaza which was a real siege.

Uhm I suppose keeping people on a calorie diet intake and preventing them from even accessing food items isn't a real siege? Controlling their airspace, their access to the sea, controlling their power supply? This is just an example. https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-pasta-paper-and-hearing-aids-that-could-threaten-israeli-security-1635143.html%3famphttps://imeu.org/article/putting-palestinians-on-a-diet-israels-siege-blockade-of-gaza.

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3 minutes ago, Mishael said:

True Israel didn't accomplish its goals but Lebanon is still trying to recover and Hezbollah lost more then a thousand members and learned never to mess with Israel so I would call that a victory

Well Hezbollah's objective was survival, so you would call this a victory I suppose. And there have been tit-for-tat attacks in Syria, Israel attacked and killed Hezbollah members in 2015, Hezbollah responded and killed IDF soldiers in response and it eventually settled down. Neither side wants war, Hezbollah wouldn't like to see Lebanon damaged the way it was, Israel on the other hand doesn't want to face the condemnation it will face if it bombs the heck out of Lebanon and at the same time it doesn't want to engage in the type of warfare it did in 2006, which will lead to another failure.  

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2 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Neither did Hassan Nasrallah. True Israel didn't accomplish its goals but Lebanon is still trying to recover and Hezbollah lost more then a thousand members and learned never to mess with Israel so I would call that a victory. 

Nasrallah called it and still calls it a victory. He celebrates it every year.

What Nasrallah said was that if he knew that the operation to capture the IDF soldiers would lead to a war, he wouldn't have done that operation.

That is not admitting defeat. 

Hezbollah lost more soldiers, true, but that doesn't necessiate defeat. Also, certain battles were really embarrassing for Israel, like this;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

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27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Can't really say I blame Israelis or anyone for not liking Arabs attacking them since 1948 and even know suicide bombings are common in Israel and most hate against Arabs surprisingly comes from the Mizrahi Jews (Jews from the Arab World) who feel bitterness towards the Arabs because of their experiences that lead them to seeking refuge in Israel.

Perhaps you ought to look into the roots of zionism and see that the surrounding Arab armies only invaded after Zionist forces had forcefully expelled hundreds of thousands of Arabs and ethnically cleansed tons of villages. Israel started the war in 1967 too, it also attacked Egypt previously in 1956. Zionism had always been an expansionist ideology, Ben Gurion's own words stated this. You can't blame Israelis for not liking Arabs, but then you blame Palestinians for disliking Israel. 

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Either way that's no reason to hate Arabs or Jews on both sides it's wrong, racist Israelis doesn't justify Palestinians infringing hate into their children. Saying we should drive Jews into the sea and saying Israelis stole Palestine and we should kill them and take it back to children is sick and anyone who defends that type of stuff on either side is sick. You don't have to like Israel but don't defend the Palestinian governments and organizations.

I'm not defending any Palestinian government, but you're here defending the racist Israeli government policies and claiming they're democratic and whatever. But terrorism though it is unjustified it is a consequence of oppression, whether you like it or not. People have used it in all colonial struggles. People will turn to desperate measures when they see no other way and if the mentality of the people they have to deal with thinks ethnic cleansing is justified, how do you deal with such a situation? You can either scream terrorism, savages, etc. or you can try to understand the roots and do something about it. The first option is easy, it helps you avoid dealing with the situation and finding a peaceful solution, the second solution is an attempt to solve the crisis.

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arab citizens of Israel do vote and can vote for Pan Arab parties if they want now that's not something you see with Jews in Islamic countries.

Yes, Arabs in the West Bank do not, they live under Israeli occupation, and are effectively under a government whom they have no say over. You say they can get Israeli citizenship, how many can? Would Israel grant them all citizenship if they applied for it tomorrow? Of course not! But jews living in occupied territories vote in Israeli elections. 

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Infact Israel would probably want more Arabs in it so it could get a stronger man power and more citizens if you look at it politically it has more to gain from Arabs applying for Israeli citizenship infact it tries to get Arabs to get Israeli citizenship. By the way can an Israeli get a permit to live in the West Bank or Gaza? That's something to think about.

Man, your facts I do not know where you get them from. Netanyahu has explicitly gone on record telling the jews in Israel to vote because the Arabs are voting in droves. Can you imagine a US president saying white people please go vote because the blacks are going to vote in droves? It is a fundamentally racist society, and just because you met some Israelis proves nothing, in particular when polls are fundamentally opposed to what you say. Look at this video and tell me it doesn't sicken you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4. Israelis don't need permits to live in Gaza or the WB, their government pays them money to move onto illegal settlements in the West Bank. As for Gaza, which Israeli would live in Gaza? Jews like Dan Cohen have visited Gaza and reported extensively on the oppression that goes on there, they were welcomed. That's not to say there isn't anti-jewish sentiments in Palestine or the muslim world, its saying you're less likely to encounter it if you don't go in as a IDF soldier or a settler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JzMhGW5Y3I. Anyone that is serious about peace would acknowledge this very obvious reality rather than screaming terrorism, anti-semitism, etc. etc., it is easy to scream about something, particularly when you don't want to solve it. 

Also, I don't really see what your argument here is, you say Hezbollah has learnt not to mess with Israel, so then if they have what are you worried about? That Israel will attack anyway? Well that wouldn't be Hezbollah's fault then would it? Sounds like you're blaming the wrong party. Maybe if Israel learnt to behave like a normal state you wouldn't have to worry. But it pushed for the invasion of Iraq, it invaded Lebanon in 06 killing mostly civilians, it invaded Gaza thrice each time killing mostly civilians, it lobbied heavily for the US to bomb Syria and also wanted the US to attack Iran. But somehow the problem is all these other countries not Israel according to you. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Mishael said:

The great majority of them fled their homes during the 1948 war. They did so going by the advice of their leaders, and leaders of the six armies that invaded Israel, While some Jews really committed atrocities, it wasn't the widespread reality, as some seem to think - otherwise the number of dead Arabs would be as large (or larger) than the number of refugees, when war broke out in 1948, about 600,000 Arabs left Israel because they had only been there for a couple of years. Palestinians themselves have only been in the land for a couple years ago even British sources record Arabs illegally immigrating to what is modern day Israel. BDS is a renowned hate group so there one to talk by the way sure there are some disgusting Israelis that shouldn't be around doesn't every society but if you can find me an Israeli school which encourages its kids to go out and kill Palestinians then I'll immediately denounce Israel right here

Your facts are not facts, read Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe's the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, what  happened in Deir Yassin was clear ethnic cleansing. And I don't understand what your argument is they didn't kill them so they didn't expel them? That's a bad argument, you can even read Israeli Benny Morris work about the mass expulsion being justified because the Pals refused the partition plan. 

BDS is a legitimate tactic to oppose Israel's violation of int'l law, it is a tactic that has been used in the past against apartheid South Africa too. So what you're saying is Palestinians should just sit there and accept their situation, and just watch as more and more of their land gets stripped away. They go to the UN, it is international terrorism, they use arms its terrorism, they negotiate directly, Israel imposes a million conditions impossible for them to accept. So I suppose your solution is just do nothing? As for Israelis not teaching hate, where does such a large population's hate come from then? It's obviously taught, doesn't come from nowhere. You should listen to former soldiers of the IDF like Eran Afrati who explain how Israel isn't just racist toward Arabs but also toward non-ashkenazi Jews. 

You know one way to stop hate and terrorism? Education! But how does that happen when they keep bombing and demolishing their schools like this right here, an EU funded school demolished by the IDF. No one is defending the corruption in the Palestinian govt. and I haven't said anything that defends that but man, you're pretty much an apologist for the Israeli govt. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-palestinians-eu-classrooms-west-bank-school-bedouins-a8194456.html. Even if the Palestinian govt. teaches hate and stuff, the fact still remains that Israel does through its policies of expansion and colonialism do everything possible to build on this hate. If someone tells me to hate you, but I discover you're actually a decent guy, I would be less likely to hate you than if you act like a bad person. And Israel does teach hate too, read this; https://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks. And honestly when you massacre 80% civilians in Gaza, when settlers attack Palestinian homes, burn their olive trees, poison their water, dump sewage on them, imprison them with a 99% conviction rate trial and in some cases without trial at all including little children, is this fine because they don't teach hatred, they merely do despicable things? A Palestinian that throws a stone, pretty much the only resistance symbol he has against an IDF soldier gets imprisoned for twenty years and can have his house demolished, while an Israeli soldier who shoots a Palestinian point blank gets house arrest for 18 months. Yeah, but they don't teach hatred, sigh. Man, you're embarrassing yourself here.

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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

Ilan Paape is a renowned liar and he's been refuted by many actual historians. BDS is an anti Jewish organization. If I throw a stone at a Saudi they would probably lash me and throw me in prison without trial my uncles brother was taken prisoner by Syrian soldiers during the occupation of Lebanon for just trash talking about the Syrian soldiers in public and he was nine years old at the time and his parents had to beg for his release. Throwing a stone at someone's head isn't resistance that's just criminal activity and they throw it at ordinary people walking not just IDF soldiers by the way. By the way if an IDF soldier shoots a Palestinian terrorist in the process of trying to murder people then it's not a crime. Your just quoting classical anti Israel propaganda here. Palestinians never actually had a country it was British land that never even housed many Arabs in the first place they just moved in and they even indirectly pushed the British to make the partition plan since it was proven after the massacres Arabs would constantly commit against Jews and the arab riots that there must be two separate states Jews accepted it and Arabs rejected it. Mizrahi make up half of the population of Israel and Shepardic Jews about a quarter or more the and many high positions of the government of Israel are made up of non Ashkenzai Jews. Settlers who attack Palestinians are arrested immediately but I agree it's a problem and restrictions need to be placed on settlers and increase the penalty they get if violence is done on Palestinians. The EU knowingly broke International Law by funding the school in Area C. The Blame, Distort and Slander crowd make up the law as they go. Moreover, since this is the 5th offense, in the same location it's entirely obvious that this was a stunt and a waste of money that could be better spend building a real school legally. If evidence if found the text books are hateful then immediate action should be taken to revise them which it seems already happened,

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-to-revise-books-for-religious-indoctrination-of-secular-kids-1.5490852

Mishael, you may not be familiar with the principles of int'l law but occupied populations have a right to resist, stone throwing is the least of it but if a Palestinian in the West Bank even shoots an IDF soldier it is legitimate. You keep bringing up Arab regimes in the region, and it is a classic zionist tactic, I don't support any government in the region, including btw Assad, but that doesn't mean I will ignore Israel's actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. As for your criticisms of Pappe and BDS, you use ad-hominem attacks not too different from what a lot of Zionist apologists do, but you have no real arguments, just smear whoever you don't like, whichever organization you don't like, ignore all human rights reports, call the UN anti-semitic, etc. Palestinians never had a country, so what? That means nothing, there were people living there, a people without a land were given a land with people already present on it. Nations are a temporary thing anyway, people have a right to exist, nations (most nations) don't have such a right. The Brits made the partition plan as a reparation for what the jews suffered in Europe, it had nothing to do with Palestinians. In Palestine other than certain occasions like the Hebron massacre in 1929, things were for the most part peaceful. So because of something a certain group of them did, that legitimized the partition plan? Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? White people did terrible things to blacks in the US for decades, blacks never got their own country, and they are still struggling for equal rights, but they were never split into two countries. Europe never dealt with its jewish population well, instead another group suffered. An injustice was done to repair another injustice. Speaking of int'l law, Israel has violated it consistently by constructing settlements in area C. It's so funny you quote int'l law here but then ignore it when it doesn't suit you. You don't like int'l law fine, but then admit you're a rogue state that is above the law. You accuse the other side of making up the law, when that's all Israel does, bend int'l law when it pleases, and then use it to justify its own practices as you just did. 

In any case, there is no point of going on here, let's stop wasting each others time.

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8 hours ago, Mishael said:

Neither did Hassan Nasrallah. True Israel didn't accomplish its goals but Lebanon is still trying to recover and Hezbollah lost more then a thousand members and learned never to mess with Israel so I would call that a victory. 

What exactly are you doing in this forum????

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16 hours ago, Mishael said:

Aslong as this continues in Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza nothing the spells out peace will come.

Hi ,Iran gov tries to do things based on Islam but can't accomplish it It is not allowed in Islam that  muslims  take non muslims as their leaders , Israel receives many supports from USA  

& Israel & Zionists count other people that are not from race & religion always as second citizens or lower & who sympathize with any oppressor from past or current & Future will be counted as them the Arab or non Arab Muslims that accepts Israel Gov is same as Zionists .     

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41 minutes ago, Mishael said:

With or without the US Israel can survive. Iran is one to talk about oppression when you guys don't even allow your Sunni mufti to leave the country and don't allow christians to publish works in Persian and treat Bahai like second class citizens and ban zoroastrians from converting people and force women to wear hijab. Iran beat up peaceful protesters and put them in jail and spends more money on guns and interference in Arab countries then the well being of its people. So you should speak about your country before Israel.

Salam first Sunni mufti of Iran travels to many countries & never banned from traveling & other religions allow to publish their books but can't promote their religion to new people  and Bahaism is not a  real religions it invented by GB & Russia during Qajar dynasty that their main base is located at Israel territory also Zoroastrian never been second class citizens & I have a Zoroastrian background & still a group of my family are Zoroastrian & for the issues of gov I don't say its a prefect regime & we just see at a temporary Gov before coming of Imam Mahdi (aj) that before him everyone & everygroup specially Shia muslims from any group & rank will be examined & exposes that they without Imam Mahdi (aj) can't reach to real justice & freedom.   

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29 minutes ago, Mishael said:

PS the Syrian rebels are no better then Bashar

Hi you always mix truth with lie .Bahaism history is obvious & they always act as agents of Israel but in Iran still exists & other religions  not excute as it happens about other religions at KSA puppet of Israel but we respect them & it was always people from other religions killed by Wahabi ISIS Fighters but Shia militia always saves them but you you don’t accept it & try to show opposite of it & backing of Bashar is a strategical  matter & he is not a favorite person for me & other Iranians . If Nasrollah was in approach of Israel they definitely martyred him so far specially now & presence on these meeting  was not obligatory for him so there is no problem that he doesn’t attend on them it’s a part of Taqiya. 

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4 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Bahai have the right to practice their faith wheather you like them or not if you say they don't then you have no place to talk about Israel.

I’m against Bahaism in any form of it but shia militia never killed Sunnis & Yazidis & Christians & I’m don’t say that Iran is totally free if someone becomes apostate & declares it publicity his punishment after a period of time is execution & becoming a martyre is a high status but by not exposing ourselves in such situations this is way of ISIS fighters that below up themselves in such manner because they don’t believe in Taqiya.

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8 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Hamas kidnaps Israelis and suicide bombs people and treats Palestinians like garbage and your government supports them. 

Hamas is a Sunni group that affected by ISIS but Hizbullah is a shia group that like previous posts you by intension mix truth & lie in the way that you want & you can in all social media such as YouTube  that Shias are supporters of other religions & looks like you are a pro-isrelly that accepts their lies blindly.

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40 minutes ago, Mishael said:

And who is the biggest supporter of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood...?

I support Hizbullah not these two groups that supports by KSA.

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38 minutes ago, Mishael said:

And who is the biggest supporter of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood...?

Feels like you support IsIs and Hamas, cause you keep assuming that we support them! One bullet through an innocent human is a one way ticket to hell.

Try to understand what ''Defending'' and ''Attacking'' means? Do you even have any idea who caused Shah go back to power? The Americans and Britians, cause they wanted oil.

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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

Iran supports Hamas and Ikhwan Saudi is mixed with Hamas but it does not donate money to them like Iran Saudi usually supports PLO and recently the Mufti of Saudi declared Hamas a terrorist organization so I think KSA relations with Hamas are over.

That is all a game, manipulation does exist, you know that, right? Well, If we say that Saudi has no connection with Hamas whatever? Then what about IsIs? And why is America training IsIs soilder, so called sunnis? I BET SAUDI HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS? It is all our fault! We Shia get killed by the west and Sunnis! And now you are trying to defend sunnis? That is the problem in the whole world? Despite the fact that we can only blame the west cause they are nothing without the middle east, they keep up the conflict between Shia and Sunni to continue to take the oil.

IT IS ALL FOR MONEY!

 

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20 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Saudi supports Isis but that doesn't give Iran a free pass to support Shia terrorists either. If Irans defending why does it interfere in the affairs of all of its neighboring countries...?

Who are the Shia terrorists and whom have they terrorized?

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54 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Houthis and Hezbollah and the various Shia groups of Iraq. Terrorist by definition is one who terrorizes innocent people both Houthis and Saudi Arabia terrorize people in Yemen and Houthis recruit teenagers by force while Hezbollah uses Lebanon as a military base to declare war on Israel whenever they feel like it.

Lets stay on Lebanon before voyaging into the chaos in Yemen or Iraq.
1- When did Hezbollah declare war and on whom?
2- And how can you, in good conscience, rank Hezbollah, a party that is in alliance with the BIGGEST Christian political party in the Middle East, the same to the crazies that Saudis fund that destroy churches and would behead the 'infidel Christians' en mass if not for the Hezbollah front?
3- Last but not least, who has Hezbollah terrorized?

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5 hours ago, Wahdat said:

Lets stay on Lebanon before voyaging into the chaos in Yemen or Iraq.
1- When did Hezbollah declare war and on whom?
2- And how can you, in good conscience, rank Hezbollah, a party that is in alliance with the BIGGEST Christian political party in the Middle East, the same to the crazies that Saudis fund that destroy churches and would behead the 'infidel Christians' en mass if not for the Hezbollah front?
3- Last but not least, who has Hezbollah terrorized?

Mishael is a lost soul, don't bother with him much.. he has no bassira.. this is what led him to leave islam

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Boy said:

While we keep talking,Israel has attacked Syrian targets near Damascus onece again! Doesn't Assad have any prideleft? He NEVER retaliates.

Yeah he should bomb them back and then start an unnecessary war , there is no need to provoke another conflict, I think Hezbollah understands that some equipment will be bombed but in the geostrategic sense it won't change the outcome of the war. Israel has also said the same they carry out limited strikes, but they limit the possibility of war by keeping the focus on these strikes now and then without doing anything to cross the line, like for example attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon, that would result in retaliation, and it did in early 2015, Hezbollah returned fire and then a ceasefire was declared after. It's not wise to start a war over some equipment being bombed. 

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Listen, Hezbullah is part of Wilayat al faqih,... that is no secret. As part of wilayat al Faqih they adhere to the leader Syd Ali Khamanei. Wilayat al Faqih has never instigated a war ever. The western powers have started a campaign against Syria, they painted it as a revolution in disguise as a way to break the axis of resistance between Iran and Lebanon because that is the only land route between the two and Assad allows the transfer of weapons between the two. The west and ksa paid billions to syrian mercenaries to fight as well as swarmed Syria with satanic wahhabis disguised as muslims. All the groups over there are wahhabis under different labels. All of them were bred to hate and kill shias. They are there under the pretext of fighting the shia axis and not "liberating" Syria. They have shown their true colors by attacking Sayyeda Zeinab shrine and even tried to attack Lebanon numerous of times. If anyone here still thinks USA and KSA want democracy in Syria they are flat out idiots. Syd Khamanei has made a fatwa to kill the takfiri terrorist and deemed it a legal jihad. Hizbullah first went to Syria to protect the shrine of Sayyed Zeinab and then continued to rid it of takfiris. They are there as allies of Assad and have every right to be there as long as the Syrian regime allows it, which it does. The rest of the apes have no right to be in Syria.. So @Mishael im sorry hizbullah are terrorizing your apes... I hope they continue to do so until every last one of them is dead. Hizbullah is an islamic resistance, they do not go around killing women and children and raping them like the "rebels" do. They treat their prisoners humanely and do not target civilians. I know this because almost everyone in my village is hizbullah and they are the kindest, most pious, fathers, sons, and brothers you will ever meet. You on the other hand listen to what your mother tells you from saudi arabia and spread out this nonsense crap and think you know it all. Stay quiet and learn. 

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5 hours ago, Mishael said:

Actually Hezbollah along with PLO turned what was formerly Christian south Lebanon into Shia south Lebanon. The war with Israel also gave a number of Shia militias that would one day be called Hezbollah and PLO a chance to evict Christians and turn south Lebanon into a rocket base to fire on Israel from while PLO was eventually thrown out the formerly Christian majority south Lebanon was repopulated with Shias after various Islamist militias drove them out. Christianity has been growing in Israel while in all neighboring countries it has declined even though it has ancient ties to those countries. Hezbollah terrorizes people in Syria helps Bashar Al Assad a renowned tyrant and helped the Syrian regime during its long years of bloody occupation of Lebanon. Hezbollah kidnaps Israeli soldiers and citizens. I myself pretty much lost all repspect for Michael Oun in his pro Syrian and Hezbollah stance, Hezbollah is in alliance with a party although mainly composed of Christians has no desire to do anything for the Christians or Lebanon just to help Hezbollah turn it into a puppet state of Iran and Syria. Saudi is just as bad worse even, Lebanese Christians survive due to their own resistance and even survived at one point due to Israels help. Ever since Hezbollah took power more wars and killing in Lebanon happened then ever before, true you could blame Israel and Saudi but you'd have to be a fool to believe all the propaganda of Hezbollah. 

Please keep your personal sentiments aside for I am not interested and lets talk reality. 


Hezbollah's alliance with ME"s biggest Christian political party deflates your Hezbollah's anti Christian stance.
Hezbollah is in Syria for not fighting the Syrians for its way to small an organization for such a pointless undertaking. Its there to fight takfiris...same as others and actually for more better than the rest.

So the day Hezbollah turns you to Islam with a knife on your throat, or beheads folks for not being Shia, blows up markets etc is the day you'll have a point...until then know that its all your personal hatred and ignorance...and that I believe is your own business.

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27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Hezbollah terrorizing people in Syria is no lie my friend it's a fact. Hezbollah being in alliance with a Christian party doesn't mean anything they are just political allies because Michael Oun and Hezbollah both need each other. By the way clearly you haven't seen the news in Lebanon lately Christians in Lebanon detest Hezbollah as of late. The terrorists according to both Bashar Al Assad and Hezbollah are whoever they make them it can include the Syrian people when ever they feel like it which is what happened at Madaya when thousands of Syrians were starved by Hezbollah and Bashar Al Assad or the massacre of Houla that's by definition terrorism. By the way what's your definition of takfriri lately I've seen it seems to apply to Sunnis in general that's pretty hateful to justify Hezbollah and its massacres in Syria by saying they fight Takfiris you mean the Syrian civilians. By the way the Syrian rebels can be fought by Russia and Assad why does Hezbollah butt into Syria oh because Iran told them too right? The Syrian Sunni rebels aren't even in control over half of Syria any more.

Like I said- I am not here to debate your personal feelings about Hezbollah or anything else. I am interested in talking reality. According to sane norms, global affairs, and international law governments are there to defend against any armed rebellion and have the right to ask for help from their allies as President Asad did from Hezbollah.....whether CNN or BBC say that it is wrong and you parroting them is another issue that I want to have nothing to do with.

Takfiris are those idiot misfits that take up arms against the state and answer to every problem with beheading and explosions. Based on my experiences most sunnis are potential takfiris if they are not takfiri yet.

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