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Is YHWH the same as Allah?

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Yahweh (/ˈjɑːhw/, or often /ˈjɑːw/ in English; Hebrew: יַהְוֶה [jahˈweh]) was the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel (Samaria)and Judah.[3] His exact origins are disputed, although they reach back to the early Iron Age and even the Late Bronze:[4][5] his name may have begun as an epithet of El, head of the Bronze Age Canaanite pantheon,[6] but the earliest plausible mentions are in Egyptian texts that place him among the nomads of the southern Transjordan.[7]

In the oldest biblical literature, Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior", who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies;[8] he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah,[9] and over time the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[10][11] By the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.[11]

 

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During the Second Temple period, speaking the name of Yahweh in public became regarded as taboo.[86] When reading from the scriptures, Jews began to substitute the divine name with the word adonai (אֲדֹנָי‬), meaning "Lord".[87] The High Priest was permitted to speak the name once in the Temple during the Day of Atonement, but at no other time and in no other place.[87] During the Hellenistic period, the scriptures were translated into Greek by the Jews of the Egyptian diaspora.[88] Greek translations of the Hebrew scriptures render both the tetragrammaton and adonai as kyrios (κύριος), meaning "the Lord".[87] After the Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, the original pronunciation of the tetragrammaton was forgotten.[87]

The period of Persian rule saw the development of expectation in a future human king who would rule purified Israel as Yahweh's representative at the end of time–that is, a messiah. The first to mention this were Haggai and Zechariah, both prophets of the early Persian period. They saw the messiah in Zerubbabel, a descendant of the House of Davidwho seemed, briefly, to be about to re-establish the ancient royal line, or in Zerubbabel and the first High Priest, Joshua (Zechariah writes of two messiahs, one royal and the other priestly). These early hopes were dashed (Zerubabbel disappeared from the historical record, although the High Priests continued to be descended from Joshua), and thereafter there are merely general references to a Messiah of (meaning descended from) David.[89][90] From these ideas Christianity would come to emerge.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

So, is YHWH the same as Allah? As a Christian, I certainly consider him my God, the only true God of all things, and the only one deserving of worship. I would consider Allah the Islamic "spin off" (I don't mean that in a rude or offensive way) of YHWH. Thoughts or other opinions/viewpoints? 

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It's all the same, whichever language you use. If I say "God" or "Deus" or "Gott" or "Allah", I am referring to the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. If you believe in gods besides the One, you are mistaken. 

May we all be guided to the straight path.

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3 minutes ago, notme said:

It's all the same, whichever language you use. If I say "God" or "Deus" or "Gott" or "Allah", I am referring to the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. If you believe in gods besides the One, you are mistaken. 

May we all be guided to the straight path.

Took my words from my mouth.

Although Allah is preferable, cause It can't be female or male, and It can't be plural.

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I don't know why anyone would claim that the one true god is a local/tribal/national deity. Is God not the God of everything that exists, has existed, and will exist? Why reduce it to a  minor creation of men? 

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3 minutes ago, notme said:

I don't know why anyone would claim that the one true god is a local/tribal/national deity. Is God not the God of everything that exists, has existed, and will exist? Why reduce it to a  minor creation of men? 

Because people claim that one "god of everything" is someone other than Allah.

Like claiming it is Jesus, or any other man. Or claiming that "god of everything" is the Sun, or an idol.

Allah is not who He isn't. Just cause someone believes in One God with characteristics similar to Allah, doesn't mean he shares the same god as the Muslims.

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56 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Because people claim that one "god of everything" is someone other than Allah.

Like claiming it is Jesus, or any other man. Or claiming that "god of everything" is the Sun, or an idol.

I think you'll agree, that doesn't even make sense. And I was expressing incredulity at that lack of sense. 

Christians (and others) take note: the only way you're going to convert Shia Muslims is by understanding Islam, searching for any logical inconsistencies, and resolving them in your belief system without introducing more logical inconsistencies. Islam appeals to the mind, not just to the emotions. 

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41 minutes ago, notme said:

I think you'll agree, that doesn't even make sense. And I was expressing incredulity at that lack of sense. 

What doesn't make sense? Saying God is not Jesus or the sun doesn't make sense?

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7 hours ago, Christianity said:

So, is YHWH the same as Allah?

Wikipedia yahve:

he (yahve) “later” became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah,[9] 

 

can you tell us what was the name of the god before yahve ?!

from the beginning of creation, was he nameless until that time?!

 

(....or you wana ignore the truth!)

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

What doesn't make sense? Saying God is not Jesus or the sun doesn't make sense?

No, the opposite. It doesn't make sense to claim that The God of the Entire Creation is just a small thing like a man or the sun. 

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4 minutes ago, notme said:

No, the opposite. It doesn't make sense to claim that The God of the Entire Creation is just a small thing like a man or the sun. 

Right, so my point is I don't worship the same God as those who worship objects and men. 

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1 minute ago, Sumerian said:

Right, so my point is I don't worship the same God as those who worship objects and men. 

I can't disagree, but those objects or men can't really even be called a god, can they? Actually, I'm realizing that the word "god" is problematic. There is God, and there are other, small things that men have falsely declared to be gods. The word "god", lower case, in itself declares falsehood.

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9 hours ago, notme said:

I don't know why anyone would claim that the one true god is a local/tribal/national deity. Is God not the God of everything that exists, has existed, and will exist? Why reduce it to a  minor creation of men? 

But YHWH has revealed himself to be the one true God. Jews and Christians worship him, and if Islam is going to lay claim as an Abrahamic faith, then you ought to acknowledge Allah and YHWH as the same. 

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"This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: "I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God" - Isaiah 44:6

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5 hours ago, Christianity said:

But YHWH has revealed himself to be the one true God. Jews and Christians worship him, and if Islam is going to lay claim as an Abrahamic faith, then you ought to acknowledge Allah and YHWH as the same. 

Who says you are a Christian , You are follower of a religion by Paul. You should be called paulician ( instead of Christian)

Stop preaching about your changed religion by Paul.

Answer my question on top post.

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5 hours ago, Christianity said:

But YHWH has revealed himself to be the one true God. Jews and Christians worship him, and if Islam is going to lay claim as an Abrahamic faith, then you ought to acknowledge Allah and YHWH as the same. 

If your yhwh is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe and Master of the day of Judgement, and not some little tribal or national god, it is Allah by a different name. 

So do you claim to follow God, or do you not? I thought in your first post you asserted that your god is not Allah, but instead just a local tradition. Now you've apparently reversed. What's your view? 

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1 hour ago, Arminmo said:

Who says you are a Christian , You are follower of a religion by Paul. You should be called paulician ( instead of Christian)

Stop preaching about your changed religion by Paul.

Answer my question on top post.

*rolls eyes* Yeah, blame it all on Paul. Your theology isn't very good. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

If your yhwh is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe and Master of the day of Judgement, and not some little tribal or national god, it is Allah by a different name. 

So do you claim to follow God, or do you not? I thought in your first post you asserted that your god is not Allah, but instead just a local tradition. Now you've apparently reversed. What's your view? 

I never said that at all, YHWH isn't just a local tribal deity, he is God of all things. He chose the Israelite's to be his people. "Allah" is just the Arabian version of him it seems. 

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

In short Allah and Yahweh are two different Gods not the same God. Yahweh made his covenant with Isaac, Allah made his with Ishmael, Yahweh is the God of Israel and Jerusalem Allah is the God of the Arabs and Mecca although they sound similar further investigation would prove they aren't the same.

hi they are not different God every nation call him by their tongue &  their Language  but all of them  is one without any participant 

 لَوْ كَانَ فِيهِمَا آلِهَةٌ إِلَّا اللَّـهُ لَفَسَدَتَا ۚ فَسُبْحَانَ اللَّـهِ رَبِّ الْعَرْشِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ ﴿٢٢﴾    

سورة الأنبياء  ٣٢٣  الجزء السابع عشر

If there were therein gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him). (22)

http://tanzil.net/#21:22

Al-Anbiya  323  Juz 17
There are a few points in this verse that we will try to examine:

1. The proof of order

2- proofing of impediment (hinderance)

3. Only one god can be the master of this world. (That is, it can not be assumed that this world is self-governing or that besides God, there are other gods who run the world).

https://article.tebyan.net/278572/فکر-کن-دنیا-دو-خدا-داشت-

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Farticle.tebyan.net%2F278572%2F%D9%81%DA%A9%D8%B1-%DA%A9%D9%86-%D8%AF%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D9%88-%D8%AE%D8%AF%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA-&edit-text=

The proof of order

http://www.porseman.org/q/vservice.aspx?logo=images/right.jpg&id=131267

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fa&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porseman.org%2Fq%2Fvservice.aspx%3Flogo%3Dimages%2Fright.jpg%26id%3D131267

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2 hours ago, Mishael said:

In short Allah and Yahweh are two different Gods not the same God. Yahweh made his covenant with Isaac, Allah made his with Ishmael, Yahweh is the God of Israel and Jerusalem Allah is the God of the Arabs and Mecca although they sound similar further investigation would prove they aren't the same.

If you read the Quran you will see that Allah is also the God of the Israelites. There many differences between the Quran and the Bible but it doesn't mean that we can ditch the Quran because the Bible came before. 

Note : Did you know that according to the Bible nobody knew the name of God before Moses but strangely enough ABRAHAM calls God YHWH. Isn't that strange? There is something up with that name. 

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7 hours ago, Mishael said:

In short Allah and Yahweh are two different Gods not the same God. Yahweh made his covenant with Isaac, Allah made his with Ishmael, Yahweh is the God of Israel and Jerusalem Allah is the God of the Arabs and Mecca although they sound similar further investigation would prove they aren't the same.

2 gods ? In short, by your own bible you are a liar!

The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
  ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

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3 hours ago, Mishael said:

Also the Quran says God left the Israelites for the Arabs this is false, God made a promise to the Israelites

No it’s right, information that you have from that corrupted changed rabbi re-written Torah is false.

Covenant was canditionaly , and it’s broken :
Deuteronomy 31:16
16 And the Lord said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and “BREAK THE COVENANT” i made with them.
Quran 2:124
And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [ Allah ] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers."
1 Samuel 15:28
28 Samuel said to him, “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to one of your neighbors—to one better than you.

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7 hours ago, Mishael said:

In short Allah and Yahweh are two different Gods not the same God. 

Polytheist?

In my belief system, there is only one God. People have gotten the message mixed up, twisted, convoluted, but there is no "gods". 

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5 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Jesus said I and the father are one

Where is that ? In your changed bible ? Is your bible reliable? 

Give me the definition of a reliable book.

5 minutes ago, Mishael said:
5 minutes ago, Mishael said:

God blessed Ishmael with many descendants and land but nothing more

By which information you say nothing more ?

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3 hours ago, Mishael said:

God made a promise to the Israelites but also that he would test them beyond even their limits which he has done.

Covenant was canditionaly , and it’s broken :
Deuteronomy 31:16
16 And the Lord said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and “BREAK THE COVENANT” i made with them.

where is this information that you say : he wanted to test them beyond limits? Are you making that by yourself?

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4 minutes ago, Mishael said:

And a reliable book is one that doesn't not have different meanings to it

 How about this: if a book is written by unknown writers you call that reliable? Seriuosly???

are you tricking yourself?

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10 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Being a monotheist doesn't make you right the Zoroastrians were monotheistic doesn't make them a true religion either I can worship Zeus as one God with no partners but it really comes down to who I'm worshipping not how many.

Agree, and I acknowledged that; monotheists have mixed and twisted the message. But being polytheist, i.e. claiming that more than one god exists, makes you wrong. 

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14 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Your trying to quote from my bible so you'll have to ask yourself that. And a reliable book is one that doesn't not have different meanings to it like the Quran. The meaning in the Bible is the same although differ the meaning is never changed. I can give you examples of different meanings in verses of the Qurans. And by nothing more I mean that's all God promised to Ishmael he promised nothing else.

Bible is also more valued & have more interruption when there is multiple bible for the same verses between hem its multiple meaning increased more than Quran Quran has one unique language but many meaning so for the true meaning of it Shia Islam gets its meaning from Ahlulbayt (as)

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4 minutes ago, Mishael said:

I don't believe in more then one God.

You just changed your word you Liar !

liar!

go on top and see what you said: 2 gods.

 

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9 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Also Israel broke the covenant not God that's why God called it the ever lasting covenant.

Who wrote the information in Torah that god said my covenant is everlasting?

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2 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Genesis 17:7 

I didn’t tell you to show me the verse, I said WHO wrote it in Torah that was re-written a milinium years after Moses?

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3 minutes ago, Mishael said:

I have a list of all the authors are you able to read? It also lists the writers of the Old Testament.

 So Torah was re-written by unknown humans right?

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23 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Actually first it's a myth we have all the names of The writers of the Bible and I will list their names here.

The one that you showed was your church assumptions, this is the truth:

 

Although the book is anonymous, apart from the ancient heading "According to Mark" in manuscripts, it has traditionally been assigned to John Mark, in whose  mother's house (at Jerusalem) Christians assembled.  (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)"

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1488)"

 

The Gospel of Luke:

"The identification of Luke as the author is primarily based on the "we" passages in Acts (beginning in Acts 16:10), which indicate that Luke was associated with Paul in his ministry and wrote down the account of his activities.  (The Amplified Bible, Page 1153)"

The only proof that they have about Luke being the sole author of this gospel is a weak speculation on "we".  This is absurd at best!  This speculation shows:

  1. The gospel was likely to have been altered or written by others beside Luke.
  2. It's place of documentation is unknown.
  3. It's date of documentation is also unknown.

It is also worth mentioning that the author of the book of Acts is also unknown as shown above:

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1643)"

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So are you saying it’s not from your Niv bible commentary?

thats your main source? Isn’t it?

Edited by Arminmo

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