Thoughts 2018

[notme]

I joined Twitter to discuss science, politics, and current events with random strangers on the internet. Today the science people have gone quiet - too much politics and current events. Blah. I actually dislike such things, but discussing them is necessary. 

[Hameedeh]

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[laithAlIRAQI]

I just got in bed, I've been awake more than 24 hours. I feel like punching one of the people in charge in the face, they can be so unprofessional.

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, laithAlIRAQI said:

I just got in bed, I've been awake more than 24 hours. I feel like punching one of the people in charge in the face, they can be so unprofessional.

Welcome to the real world.

[laithAlIRAQI]

3 hours ago, starlight said:

Welcome to the real world.

Funny

[Sumerian]

I don't take L's. 

[notme]

I actually do exist! I make a difference in the world!

(My local library ordered two books that I suggested.) 

[Guest]

Going through a difficult phase. Will appreciate if you do a dua for me.

Thank you &JazakAllah

[Hameedeh]

34 minutes ago, starlight said:

Going through a difficult phase. Will appreciate if you do a dua for me.

Thank you &JazakAllah

Making dua for you, Sister. 

[Sumerian]

Yo fam jump on the chatroom

[laithAlIRAQI]

My co worker was playing poker on his computer and he just won 2500 dollars. That's a lot of money considering he's doing  nothing but playing on his computer. All haram money tho, not worth it.

Edited July 1, 2018 by laithAlIRAQI

[notme]

I wonder whether humans could be programmed with Asimov's Laws of Robotics. 

Law #0: A Robot can not harm humanity, or through inaction allow harm to come to humanity.

Law #1: A Robot can not harm a human or through inaction allow harm to come to a human.

Law #2: A Robot must obey its masters, unless doing so would violate Laws 0 or 1.

Law #3: A Robot may not harm itself or through inaction allow harm to come to itself unless doing so would violate Laws 0, 1, or 2. 

Now substitute "human" for "robot". I think it would work. I'm not so sure about Law #2 though. 

Edited July 1, 2018 by notme
Typo.

[hasanhh]

8 hours ago, notme said:

I wonder whether humans could be programmed with Asimov's Laws of Robotics. 

Law #0: A Robot can not harm humanity, or through inaction allow harm to come to humanity.

Law #1: A Robot can not harm a human or through inaction allow harm to come to a human.

Law #2: A Robot must obey its masters, unless doing so would violate Laws 0 or 1.

Law #3: A Robot may not harm itself or through inaction allow harm to come to itself unless doing so would violate Laws 0, 1, or 2. 

Now substitute "human" for "robot". I think it would work. I'm not so sure about Law #2 though. 

Your postulate l have heard ever so often since the sixties. The last time was at lssac's death.

Thinking about it now, with all the impressions we now have about programming, l observe "harm" is not defined.

[notme]

20 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Your postulate l have heard ever so often since the sixties. The last time was at lssac's death.

Thinking about it now, with all the impressions we now have about programming, l observe "harm" is not defined.

I was just rereading the story collection I, Robot, and the lack of definition of "harm" figures prominently. 

They really ought to make that book into a movie. It would be excellent. 

[hasanhh]

41 minutes ago, notme said:

I was just rereading the story collection I, Robot, and the lack of definition of "harm" figures prominently. 

They really ought to make that book into a movie. It would be excellent. 

lt is a movie starring WiII Smith released in 2004. l checked.

ls the "harm" you referring to the robots using probabilities on who to save? What Smith's character cannot deal with?

[rkazmi33]

Imagine there is a person you hate, because that person is cruel, and he/she has hurt you or your loved ones. One day, people start comparing that person to an Infallible like Imam Hussain (A.S.), Hazrat Fatima (A.S.) or Imam Ali (A.S.), like that person is re-incarnation of that Infallible. Every time you try to criticize that person, people tell you that you are saying things against an Infallible. What will be your reaction? You will probably ignore it in the beginning.  Imagine a lot of people do this for a long period of time until you really start associating that person with the Infallible. Every time you hear the name of that Infallible, you see the image of the person you hate. Over time, you realize you have lost all the love you felt for that Infallible. How do you deal with this situation? Is this how people lose faith? What can you do to dissociate the Infallible from that person in your mind? 

Edited July 2, 2018 by rkazmi33

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, rkazmi33 said:

What can you do to dissociate the Infallible from that person in your mind? 

Acquire knowledge about their respective personal histories.

[wolverine]

4 hours ago, rkazmi33 said:

Imagine there is a person you hate, because that person is cruel, and he/she has hurt you or your loved ones. One day, people start comparing that person to an Infallible like Imam Hussain (A.S.), Hazrat Fatima (A.S.) or Imam Ali (A.S.), like that person is re-incarnation of that Infallible. Every time you try to criticize that person, people tell you that you are saying things against an Infallible. What will be your reaction? You will probably ignore it in the beginning.  Imagine a lot of people do this for a long period of time until you really start associating that person with the Infallible. Every time you hear the name of that Infallible, you see the image of the person you hate. Over time, you realize you have lost all the love you felt for that Infallible. How do you deal with this situation? Is this how people lose faith? What can you do to dissociate the Infallible from that person in your mind? 

When you cannot fight physically or verbally (due to being oppressed yourself), then you can remember in your thoughts that the person is not like the Infallibles AS. However, you should not dwell on it, because dwelling on that person will cause anxiety. Is there any reason to believe that the person you hate has repented, turned over a new leaf and is not the same bad person now? 

[wolverine]

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[Laayla]

On 6/29/2018 at 11:05 PM, notme said:

I actually do exist! I make a difference in the world!

(My local library ordered two books that I suggested.) 

What were the name of the books?

Sister @starlight

All the trials you face, I know makes you stronger and closer to Allah.

You are loved by Allah.

God keep us steadfast dear sister.  I really belive we are in the era of where Allah is sorting out who are the Shia. 

Insh'Allah we see each other with the presence of Imam Mahdi.

M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 

[notme]

14 hours ago, hasanhh said:

lt is a movie starring WiII Smith released in 2004. l checked.

ls the "harm" you referring to the robots using probabilities on who to save? What Smith's character cannot deal with?

The movie with Will Smith is not at all related to the short story series. It's not a bad sci-fi flick, but it's unfortunately misnamed. It's been a long time since I read The Caves of Steel, but I think it is much closer to the plot of the movie called I, Robot. I'll have to eventually reread and verify. 

They really should make a movie based on the book I, Robot, but the difficulty would be aging the characters. In the first story, Susan Calvin is a teenager. In the last she is retired. If they could get past that, it would make an excellent movie or miniseries. 

[notme]

On 7/2/2018 at 7:39 AM, Laayla said:

What were the name of the books?

The first was Guns, Germs, and Steel: the Fate of Human Societies, by Jared Diamond. It is about war, disease, and technology, and how they influenced which cultures expanded and which disappeared. I haven't read it before, but I watched part of the documentary based on the book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Steel

The second was Chasing Space: an Astronaut's Story of Grit, Grace, and Second Chances, by Leland Melvin. I actually bought the book since requesting that the library obtain a copy, so hopefully it will be enjoyed by others. It's about a former NFL player who got injured and went on to become a scientist, an astronaut, then an advocate for human rights. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31850581-chasing-space

[Son of Placid]

15 hours ago, rkazmi33 said:

Imagine there is a person you hate, because that person is cruel, and he/she has hurt you or your loved ones. One day, people start comparing that person to an Infallible like Imam Hussain (A.S.), Hazrat Fatima (A.S.) or Imam Ali (A.S.), like that person is re-incarnation of that Infallible. Every time you try to criticize that person, people tell you that you are saying things against an Infallible. What will be your reaction? You will probably ignore it in the beginning.  Imagine a lot of people do this for a long period of time until you really start associating that person with the Infallible. Every time you hear the name of that Infallible, you see the image of the person you hate. Over time, you realize you have lost all the love you felt for that Infallible. How do you deal with this situation? Is this how people lose faith? What can you do to dissociate the Infallible from that person in your mind? 

Correcting the world has become a challenge for all of us. Separate your emotions from the things you cannot change. The Christian expression is "Let go and let God"

We never know what we are fighting. Acting on right and wrong from a human perspective could be interference in the grand scheme. Prophecy says this earth isn't going to get any better, and that's whether we fight the cause or not. You know, and dude knows he's not infallible. There are times when your most powerful testimony is to say nothing. Here's why;

The Book of Deuteronomy is basically a reiteration of the laws given to Moses. One of the best verses pertaining to this situation, (God speaking)..."Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time;..."

The hardest part is waiting until God fixes it, or doesn't. Everybody wants the satisfaction of witnessing somebody, "getting their just deserts." but there's no promise you get to see it. If the plan is to wait until judgement day, you won't see it, but your presence has nothing to do with recompense.  Worse, If it has occupied your mind until the point you are polluted, judgement day might not be your best day either. Even worse, deciding to speed up Gods' process by taking it into your own hands.

The man Muslims love to hate said this; " If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Jesus put it this way;

Matt.7. [1] Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge,ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Not going to tell anyone it's easy, nor that I've perfected it, but we all know forgiveness is worth it. 

[rkazmi33]

Thank you @hasanhh @wolverine and @Son of Placid for your replies. I haven't read a lot about Imam Ali (A.S.), but I had so much love for Imam Hussain (A.S.) because we hear so much during Muharram every year. I remember in the beginning, I thought it was ridiculous, but it's true if you hear the same thing again and again, you start believing it. That has happened to me, but it also made me realize why blasphemy is so serious and why comparing common people to Infallibles was considered blasphemy in the past. The problem is Infallibles hold a lot of power. They have power over your wealth and your body and They hold the power to punish you for your sins. I think that people who want to control other people came up with this idea. They compare themselves to Infallibles and oppress people claiming they are only giving punishments for sins.  Some hard core shias might say that if a person is associated with the Infallibles, that's enough reason for us to love that person and forgive all his/ her mistakes. For me, it is the opposite effect. 

I know I  need to control my thoughts and tell myself that the bad person I know is NOT the Infallible. Don't we love Infallibles because They were perfect? They didn't have any flaws in their character and behavior? I would love the idea of a perfect being even if I never see Him/ Her. It's a very bad idea to make an ordinary person "Shabeeh" of Infallible.  I wouldn't judge such people if they weren't trying to control my life or if they weren't going around punishing people for their sins. 

Edited July 2, 2018 by rkazmi33

[hasanhh]

1 minute ago, rkazmi33 said:

Thank you @hasanhh ... and ...for your replies

Bro, l am not an authority on any of the lmams.

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[Abdul-Hadi]

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[Laayla]

^^^

@GD41586

You are a valuable member.  I always like to see what you have posted.

Your struggles in life are real and geniune.

Your soul is yearning for something better, and I know you will find what you are looking for.

God bless you

[Laayla]

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please brothers and sisters, I have a pulling field from my heart wanting to go to Imam Ali ibn Moussa Reza.  I ask you for a huge favor. After salat, during the adthan, or whenever you have presence of Allah to say salawat and recite fatiha for me to go for ziyarat Imam al Reza 3la salam and his sister Sayyida Fatima M3souma.  Insh'Allah my affairs are settled so I can go.  

If your du32s are answered, I will also make du32s for you at Bab al shukr in the shrine of Imam Reza.  

Thank you so much.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

[hasanhh]

A radio commentator said people have "zero awareness" about their own tweets. This leads to problems of the self-inflicted kind.

Read about this "racist" tweet. lt is deemed "racist" because it stereotypes Hispanics by occupation.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/03/amber-heard-warns-nannies-housekeepers-gardeners-ice-checkpoint-hollywood/

[notme]

10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

A radio commentator said people have "zero awareness" about their own tweets. This leads to problems of the self-inflicted kind.

Read about this "racist" tweet. lt is deemed "racist" because it stereotypes Hispanics by occupation.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/03/amber-heard-warns-nannies-housekeepers-gardeners-ice-checkpoint-hollywood/

We're all guilty of some form of bias. Usually it's rooted in ignorance. If we're eager to dispel our ignorance, we will improve. 

The article says there was no checkpoint, but I think this ignorant wealthy woman who knew that some people hire undocumented house help meant well by her tweet. She should use this as a learning moment. 

I don't know anything about this "famous" person. I'm giving the benefit of doubt. I, personally, know of no reason to assume she's overtly racist. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Youtube silver reward for Ahlulbayt tv for reaching  100k subscribes

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Edited July 4, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[ShiaMan14]

Anyone else freaking out over the Thai kids stuck in the cave???

[hasanhh]

21 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Anyone else freaking out over the Thai kids stuck in the cave???

Yes, l am. l posted my disgust over on "Seriously . . . sick of".

05July18 The news tonight announced that one of the divers has died. "Apparently from a lack of oxygen".

Real heavy rain there in two days is the forecast.

[ShiaMan14]

33 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Yes, l am. l posted my disgust over on "Seriously . . . sick of".

05July18 The news tonight announced that one of the divers has died. "Apparently from a lack of oxygen".

Real heavy rain there in two days is the forecast.

Yup. Poor guy.

They have been stuck since Jun 23.