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What I fail to understand from these people chanting regime change and burning property (not the peaceful demonstrators), aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing the regime of? You're accusing them of looting the country and destroying it, and what are you doing? Precisely, the same. 

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33 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

What I fail to understand from these people chanting regime change and burning property (not the peaceful demonstrators), aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing the regime of? You're accusing them of looting the country and destroying it, and what are you doing? Precisely, the same. 

People with a desire for violence always find some excuse that "sounds good". Whether it be 'regime change', 'power to the people', liberation theology, communist rhetoric, socialist rhetoric, '__rights', whatever.

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14 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

People with a desire for violence always find some excuse that "sounds good". Whether it be 'regime change', 'power to the people', liberation theology, communist rhetoric, socialist rhetoric, '__rights', whatever.

People saying the government is gunning down people on the streets are hypocritical if they don't also address how these rioters are burning down property and if they can burn down property, I'm pretty sure they are capable of using violence against fellow protesters. So this needs to be taken into account when discussing death tolls. 

I remember listening to Chomsky discuss the Vietnam protests and how many anti-war protestors were attacking offices, stores, breaking windows etc. and the Vietnamese people who were protesting were begging them to stop because for them, they wanted to raise awareness, breaking windows may help you "feel good" but ultimately the aim of the protest should be to address the issue I.e. the deaths of innocent people in Vietnam. Rioting was just getting people angry and less likely to sympathize with the message. I haven't been to many protests but I have a feeling quite a bit of the sentiment is to do things that make you feel good and fuel your narcissism as opposed to hoping to get real change. 

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On 11/18/2019 at 4:34 PM, Mohamed1993 said:

What I fail to understand from these people chanting regime change and burning property (not the peaceful demonstrators), aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing the regime of? You're accusing them of looting the country and destroying it, and what are you doing? Precisely, the same. 

Welcome to the Middle East where it is only bad when someones else does it, but good when you do it!

Its like when people scam or trick others there, they call it "being smart" when they do it themselves, but call it VERY wrong when someone else does it to them.

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11 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Welcome to the Middle East where it is only bad when someones else does it, but good when you do it!

Its like when people scam or trick others there, they call it "being smart" when they do it themselves, but call it VERY wrong when someone else does it to them.

Do you have news from your iranian relatives about how is the situation now in Iran? 

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Just now, Mohammadi_follower said:

Do you have news from your iranian relatives about how is the situation now in Iran? 

There is not much I can ask without some big exaggerations being involved in the answer, it's part of the culture.

Its like when they walk past a table and hit their pinky toe, they will tell you their whole leg fell off.

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2 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

There is not much I can ask without some big exaggerations being involved in the answer, it's part of the culture.

Its like when they walk past a table and hit their pinky toe, they will tell you their whole leg fell off.

To be honnest I have no news since few days so I hope situation is now calm like iranian media say. 

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On 11/19/2019 at 2:34 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

What I fail to understand from these people chanting regime change and burning property (not the peaceful demonstrators), aren't you doing exactly the same thing you're accusing the regime of? You're accusing them of looting the country and destroying it, and what are you doing? Precisely, the same. 

This was the case in most "revolutions". Even the revolution in 1979.

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2 hours ago, Sumerian said:

This was the case in most "revolutions". Even the revolution in 1979.

Doesn’t make it right. Read what I wrote about the Vietnam protests, protesters were breaking windows and it was the Vietnamese who told them to stop because it was just angering people and leading to more support for the war. If you are genuine about your aims to better the nation and create a fairer society for all then you need to weigh the consequences of your decisions including taking into account the repression that might ensue and hurt your fellow citizens that you claim to be fighting for. Acting out of emotion and what feels good is often counterproductive 

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51 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Doesn’t make it right. Read what I wrote about the Vietnam protests, protesters were breaking windows and it was the Vietnamese who told them to stop because it was just angering people and leading to more support for the war. If you are genuine about your aims to better the nation and create a fairer society for all then you need to weigh the consequences of your decisions including taking into account the repression that might ensue and hurt your fellow citizens that you claim to be fighting for. Acting out of emotion and what feels good is often counterproductive 

I agree

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On 11/17/2019 at 8:06 PM, Ibn al-Hussain said:

:salam:

Eh...the internet is back after a full day! Felt like forever.

I had spoken too soon! It had only come back for 2 hours and went off again. Just got back online after a week. Feels very strange to be back on the internet!

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9 minutes ago, Ibn al-Hussain said:

I had spoken too soon! It had only come back for 2 hours and went off again. Just got back online after a week. Feels very strange to be back on the internet!

Situation calmed down or is it bad?

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21 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Situation calmed down or is it bad?

Its definitely calmed down now and internet is back in some of the provinces (not all). A lot of cities had processions today in support of the government and against those causing chaos.

I must say, life without internet was very strange.

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38 minutes ago, Ibn al-Hussain said:

Its definitely calmed down now and internet is back in some of the provinces (not all). A lot of cities had processions today in support of the government and against those causing chaos.

I must say, life without internet was very strange.

There had been many contradicting statements toward the number of death the demonstrations caused. Do you know better how many people had been killed? 

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40 minutes ago, habib e najjaar said:

Would you do it again, willingly? 

No way. It was very difficult given how much we have become dependent on the internet. It was very difficult for everyone no doubt.

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How's the majority of the people handling the protests? Pro or anti?

Its the same old cycle in Iran - government makes some decision, people have legitimate concerns and protest, but they get hijacked by these crooks who are completely anti-government and are being influenced by foreign hands, government does a crack down, people get killed, the vast majority of legitimate protesters go away and their concerns are not heard - instead at the end they all come out in support of the government and the current government gets away with their poor decision. There was an article I read in the Iranian news outlet about the government dedicating physical locations for people to come and organize legitimate protests against governments policies and decisions.

12 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

There had been many contradicting statements toward the number of death the demonstrations caused. Do you know better how many people had been killed? 

No clue, hard to say anything. You can usually speculate an average by looking at the over-exaggerated figures given by foreign news outlets and the under-reported figures given by internal government news outlets.

Wasalam

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On 11/17/2019 at 3:10 PM, Mohammadi_follower said:

Salam maybe my translation was bad but had same meaning although Imam Khamenei agreed generally on it but  supposed to that process would be based on step by step plan to avoid rising prices but it happened suddenly. 

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1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

it's vry biased majority of arrested so called protesters were leaders of riots that had connection with mko terrorists that even Braian Hook said that America provided tools to stay in contact with them even in case of internet blackout from Iran also a small group of them were from Afghans with foreign citizenship like as Germany & other European countries that they were received   special training  for making troubles in Iran that came to Iran few days before starting demonstrations that trained other riots that news calls them as arrested protesters.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/23/611924/Mike-Pompeo-support-protests-rioters-absurd-regime-change-Daniel-McAdams

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/23/611911/Iran-sanctions-Mohammed-Javad-Azari-Jahromi

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/23/611922/US-tried-hijack-protests-Iran-internet

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/23/611926/US-judge-orders-Iran-to-pay-over-detained-US-spy

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On 11/22/2019 at 5:18 AM, Mohammadi_follower said:

you know better how many people had been killed? 

I've heard that what's confirmed is that some protesters shot other innocent people standing around. However, there main goal is to create fitna amoung Iranians.

 

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People of Kermanshah rally to condemn recent riots

https://en.abna24.com/news//people-of-kermanshah-rally-to-condemn-recent-riots_988957.html

November 24, 2019 - 4:37 PM News Code : 988957 Source : Iran PressLink: 

People of Kermanshah rally to condemn recent riots

 

The people of Kermanshah in Western Iran, marched on Sunday to voice their support of the Leader of the Islamic Revolution and disgust with recent rioters' actions.

Like other cities of the Islamic Republic of Iran, people of Kermanshah rallied to slam the recent riots by chanting "Down with the US," and "Down with Israel."

Recent demonstrations in Iran took place after the government increased gasoline prices on November 15, to implement the fuel price reform plan.

Gangs of rioters, trained and backed by foreigners, infiltrated into people's peaceful protests and caused damage to public transportation and public property, including attacks on banks, shops, ambulances, and emergencies.

People of Tehran to hold massive rally in support of country’s security on Monday

https://en.abna24.com/news//people-of-Tehran-to-hold-massive-rally-in-support-of-country’s-security-on-monday_988967.html

November 24, 2019 - 5:48 PM News Code : 988967 Source : MehrLink: 

People of Tehran to hold massive rally in support of country’s security on Monday

 

The people of the Iranian capital of Tehran will hold a massive rally on Monday to express their support for the country’s security and power and condemn rioters.

According to a statement published by Coordinating Council of Islamic Propagation, Tehraners will gather together in Enghelab (Revolution) square in downtown the capital on Monday to show their support for the country’s security and power and express their anger towards the rioters and hooligans and the acts of sabotage carried out against the country’s public order.

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22 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 

Recent demonstrations in Iran took place after the government increased gasoline prices on November 15, to implement the fuel price reform plan.
 

So now what happens to people's concerns about the rise in fuel prices? Did they get shelved because of the foreign infiltrator disruptions? 

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Salam the people  concern not ended & they don't get shelved but they are trying to fix it by peace because most of chaos in last week was due to foreign infiltration that they tried to hijack people complains which foreign infiltrators tried to use unhappiness of people from sudden rising price as a motivation for overthrowing government.

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