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Jin Jin

What about Kashmir?

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Yeah I'm surprised why Muslims are just concerned about Palestine but not about Kashmir.

So many Iraqi, Iranni, Labanese etc. Will do everything to support Palestine by chanting "free Palestine", but they don't even care about how many people are suffering in Kashmir.

I don't get it!! :censored: If you're a Muslim - be against injustice everywhere. 

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5 hours ago, Ali-india said:

We should atleast remember people of Kashmir, Yemen, Myanmar, Palestine, Syria and Bahrain in our duas..

Al Ajal ya imam.

and the Rohingya, Mindinao, Guiene, Thailand, Gujarat, Cameroon, ...

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4 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Yeah I'm surprised why Muslims are just concerned about Palestine but not about Kashmir.

So many Iraqi, Iranni, Labanese etc. Will do everything to support Palestine by chanting "free Palestine", but they don't even care about how many people are suffering in Kashmir.

I don't get it!! :censored: If you're a Muslim - be against injustice everywhere. 

That's why it is better to read Du'a Simaat often and ask Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى protection for the Prophet Muhammad Ummah.

Edited by Dhulfikar

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I hate to say it but people do have something against the indo-pak community.

Deep inside we all have this horrible side.

I would love to see all middle easterns protest against the killings that take place in Kashmir.

Edited by ali_fatheroforphans

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23 minutes ago, Jin Jin said:

Although loss of life is always tragic, the number you mentioned nowhere matches to that in the article. 

Kashmir has been in grip of violence since partition over a land dispute. It's quite different from the occupation of Palestine by Israel. 

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Salam the news about kashmir is very rare most of  ews censored by India & Pakistan  this is the only thing they agree with each other

 

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:bismillah::bismillah:

Assalamun alaykum,
I'd rather wish Kashmir remains a part of India. 
We the Shias of India have the freedom to practice our faith. I, as an Indian Shia, can pray peacefully without the masjid being blown up by a loony Taliban suicide bomber. I can do matam without fearing that my Imambargah will be fired upon by some nasibi monster. I can stand up inside my university classroom and argue my case without fearing that my Nasibi professor will give me bad grades just because I happen to prostrate on a turbah, or without fearing that I will be target killed the moment I step outside its gates.

The Kashmiri Shia have absolutely no stake in this chop-shop of a separatist movement. Those leaders who are demanding 'azadi' in the streets of Kashmir are the same anti-shia nawasib and khawarij who are engaging in the genocide of our brethren in Pakistan, they are hand-in-glove with the Saudi-funded nasibi terrorist organizations of Pakistan who are killing our shia brethren in Pakistan. Do these people think that we the Shias of India do not know what they are doing in Gilgit-Baltistan and the Hunza Valley? Azadari is banned in Kashmir, and nope, the ban has not been put in place by the Indian government, it has been put in place by the provincial government. The shia are facing systematic discrimination in Kashmir from the separatists. Now that they need our support, they are being all lovey-dovey. The moment Kashmir secedes from the Indian Union, the state of the Kashmiri shias is going to be like that of the Shia in Pakistan. Read this to get a true look at the state of affairs at the ground level. All this while the strong hand of the Indian government is still present in the valley to guard us....what will happen once Kashmir secedes and becomes a satellite-state of the Pakistan-Taliban-Saudi nexus? The very thought fills me with horror. I live in this country and hence know the ground reality.

No sane Shia, apart from a few poppycock propagandists whose sole task is to regurgitate the propaganda briefs supplied from you-know-where will want to become a persecuted minority by trading away his freedom for hollow slogans and false promises. Read this thread and look up the shia responses.

Edited by AbdusSibtayn

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3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Why Gujarat?

In 2002 communal riots took place, more than 1000 Muslims were slaughtered, dozens of Muslim women raped by Hindu mobs. The state government & the police did nothing for 3 days. The person who was the head of the state (chief minister) during those riots namely Narrander Modi is currently the Prime minister of India. 

https://www.truthofgujarat.com/topics/2002-gujarat-riots/ 

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9 hours ago, Ali Al Kashmiri said:

In 2002 communal riots took place, more than 1000 Muslims were slaughtered, dozens of Muslim women raped by Hindu mobs. The state government & the police did nothing for 3 days. The person who was the head of the state (chief minister) during those riots namely Narrander Modi is currently the Prime minister of India. 

https://www.truthofgujarat.com/topics/2002-gujarat-riots/ 

I know. But we are talking about the  current situation and the regions that are affected by violence. Gujarat doesn't qualify. 

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14 hours ago, Ali Al Kashmiri said:

Salaam 

@AbdusSibtayn

This is my first comment on shiachat, so if I make any mistake in tagging or replying to someone do forgive me for that. 

I being a Kashmiri, who has witnessed Indian brutality firsthand would disagree with my Indian brother. If a voting is held in kashmir today 85% of kashmir's would vote for an Independent country rather than Pakistan or India. People in kashmir are fed up of both the countries.

Firstly I don't see any difference between Taliban sucide bombers or Hindu nationalists & vigilantes lynching innocent Muslim, just few days back a Muslim man was burnt to death by Hindu extremists. Secondly Pakistanis did not vote Someone like Modi to become PM. A person who is responsible for slaughtering 1000 Muslims in Gujarat.

Most of your claims about shias having no stake in separatist movement is kashmir or the sunni separatist leaders being funded by Nasibi wahabis are absolutely false. The Kashmir issue dates back to 1947. The top brass of the separatist movement does include shia leaders such as Abbas Ansar, Masroor ansari & Aga Syed Hassan & others. The poster boy of armed resistance against India Yasin Malik, & other separatist leaders do participate in Muharram processions. These people were highly influenced by the Islamic revolution in Iran & have great respect for Imam Khomeini. The is no link between Pandits ( Hindus ) & shias of kashmir, most of the pandits (Hindus) who were killed during the start of armed resistance were collaborators & paid the price of of collaborating with the Indian state. The Indian state has always tried to divide kashmir on regional & sectarian lines just to weaken the separatist movement.

Yes Azadari procession have been banned. Proir to 1989 the 8th & 10th Muharram processions would pass through the city centre now  they have been restricted to localities with sizeable shia population only. The processions were banned during governor rule after 1989, there was no provisional government between 1989 to 1996. The provisional government has always been the puppet of Indian state.

I do not blame you, the narrative put forward by the Indian state & the jingoistic India media is that Pakistan is the source of all evil & Indian army is too innocent to be involved in any kind of human rights abuses. All of the Indian media is biased when it comes to kashmir. 

Yes Shias do have insecurities about their future but if we become collaborators with Indian state we will surely meet the same fate as pandits.

Assalamu alaykum @Ali Al Kashmiri,

I can understand your pain brother. I am no apologist for the ruling dispensation. My grouse is something else- will an independent Kashmir be able to retain its independence? Or will it become a satellite state of the Pakistan-Taliban-Saudi nexus, just like the erstwhile Soviet minions of Eastern Europe? 

You are true about the rise of violent Hindutva vigilantism.You are true that Pakistanis did not elect Modi, but they did elect Nawaz Sharif, a former Zia-ul-Haq [the pioneer of Pakistan's Wahhabization] yes-man whose brother's Punjab government was funding the now-slain Lashkar-e-Jhangvi  chief Malik Ishaq, the Nasibi pig who has slaughtered hundreds of Shias in Pakistan and literally specialized is Shia pogroms. Pakistan is not some sort of a safe haven for shias.
 

Your claims about Yasin Malik and his ilk drawing inspiration from Imam Khomeini [rh] may well be true. But the moment I see him photographed seated next to Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the JuD chief whose Difa-e-Pakistan rally was attended by Malik Ishaq, and with whom he shared a stage, I can't throw in my lot with the separatist movement.

When I see the separatists mourn over the death of the murderous butcher hog Saddam Hussein, the biggest oppressor of the Shia since the Abbasids, I can't trust the movement.

Why should Azadari be allowed only in Shia-majority districts? Why deny the shia the right to mourn in those areas where they are a minority? Why are no separatists demanding a lift on the ban? Are they in tacit agreement with the state government on this issue?

My criticism of the separatist movement has nothing to do with the Indian narrative. It is based on my own objective analysis. India is no paradise (at least not at the moment), to be certain. But I also do not see Pakistan, with its unofficial sectarian apartheid, or any state under the Pakistani sphere of influence for that matter, as a viable alternative.

The day these grievances are addressed, and these ambiguities resolved,I'll happily change my views. My question is, how are the separatist leaders claiming to accommodate the Kashmiri Shia while these glaring discrepancies between their speeches and actions are present?

 

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1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

 

..doesn't qualify

lsn't this a "losing attitude" because if it is not in the headlines it is not important?

As per Gujurat, every couple of years there is violent oppression of a really defenseless people.

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Yes killings started from day one 

During September–November 1947 in the Jammu region of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, tens of thousands of Muslims were massacred while others were driven away to West Punjab. The killings were carried out by extremist Hindus and Sikhs, aided and abetted by the forces of the Dogra State headed by the Maharaja Hari Singh.The activists of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) played a major role in planning and executing the riots.

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

lsn't this a "losing attitude" because if it is not in the headlines it is not important?

As per Gujurat, every couple of years there is violent oppression of a really defenseless people.

We were talking about the regions where there is continuous oppression on a large scale like Palestine, Myanmar, Yemen, Bahrain etc. Gujarat would definitely be in this list if this was year 2002. 

The violent oppression you are talking about (although that's not completely true) would come in another category. Loss of life is always an unfortunate thing but Gujarat can be more similar to US where there are hate crimes based on religion, race and color but not every second day. 

PS: The ruling party is not blameless. They have done crime against humanity and we cannot say what they will do next. However, India, as country, of multiple religions, languages, ethnicity is quite peaceful and stable compared to most of the Muslim nations. 

Edited by Sirius_Bright

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