perfect muslim

[just a muslim]

salam.

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions. for beliefs, it is surely possible to have all the correct beliefs, right? so what are the things that a person must believe in order to be a perfect muslim(with respect to beliefs)? and why? and by why, i mean what is the daleel for it? who said we have to believe in it? and why is that particular person;s word a hujjah/proof upon me or any random person? 

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

33 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions.

It is certainly possible. Otherwise you will be denying the following words of Allah (s.w.t)

لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

And this one as well:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 15:
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ

The believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Apostle then they doubt not and struggle hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah; they are the truthful ones.
(English - Shakir)

So sad that you think there exists no truthful ones among Muslims.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Salsabeel

[Ashvazdanghe]

http://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa4710

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa4710

Some of the most important features and attributes of Hazrat Zeinab, which are essential for the attainment of the youth, are:

 

1. Science and knowledge

2. Faith

3. High political and social understanding

4. Full and complete recognition of the goals of the Hosni movement and the spiritual values of this uprising

5. obey and follow the Imam (AS)

6. Presenting Children in the Way of Hossein's Movemen

7. Minimize the slavery

8. Patience and resistance to troubles

9. Promoting and enlightening the Karbala uprising and consolidating it

 

On the youth of Muslims, follow these traits of the Prophet, namely, the study of science, patience, courage, recognition of responsibility, propagation of religion, obedience, and obedience to the Imam, and so on, so that they can live together with success and prosperity through divine glories Have.

[Ashvazdanghe]

https://article.tebyan.net/172525/چگونه-می-توانم-مؤمن-باشم

Imam Sadiq (as) in a narrative, 8 have mentioned the following for a believer: 1 - When you were up and heavy and calm, 2. In the face of troubles and unpleasant exams, the world is tolerant, 3- While grateful and comforting, the shaker, 4- As much as happy with the day God Almighty gave him, 5. Do not violate the enemies. 6. Do not pour rain on friends or because they do not bear the burden of guilty due to the friendship worlds. His body is in suffering and hard to obey God and serve the people. 8. The people of peace and tranquility in their area. At the end, he said: the science and companion of the believer, the calamity and patience of the minister, his leader and counselor, the wisdom and wisdom of his actions. Compassion and tolerance is his brother and his arm, and the goodness and goodness of his compassionate and compassionate father. (صفينة البحار, ج 1, ص 37) 

safinatol Bahar volum1 page 37

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[just a muslim]

32 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

It is certainly possible. Otherwise you will be denying the following words of Allah (s.w.t)

لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

And this one as well:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 15:
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ

The believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Apostle then they doubt not and struggle hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah; they are the truthful ones.
(English - Shakir)

So sad that you think there exists no truthful ones among Muslims.

those are two different things.

also, who said anything about the existence/non-existence of truthful ones. those who believe in Allah and his messenger and then dont doubt and struggle with their wealth and selves in the way of Allah surely exist. does not mean they can't err or make mistakes or commit sins. please dont put words in my mouth.

also, are you saying that one can become masoom? be free of sin?

finally, take whatever you wish. this "issue" does not affect my question. 

[just a muslim]

@Ashvazdanghe what does your reply have to do with the question? i asked about beliefs. not the to do's and not to do's.

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, just a muslim said:

salam.

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions. for beliefs, it is surely possible to have all the correct beliefs, right? so what are the things that a person must believe in order to be a perfect muslim(with respect to beliefs)? and why? and by why, i mean what is the daleel for it? who said we have to believe in it? and why is that particular person;s word a hujjah/proof upon me or any random person? 

You say that everyone has not complete  belief and ask about believe that is about do's and not to do's

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

17 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

those are two different things.

also, who said anything about the existence/non-existence of truthful ones. those who believe in Allah and his messenger and then dont doubt and struggle with their wealth and selves in the way of Allah surely exist. does not mean they can't err or make mistakes or commit sins. please dont put words in my mouth.

 

1 hour ago, just a muslim said:

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions.

Speaking truth is an action, striving in the way of Allah with nafs & wealth is an action, not doubting is an action, to believe is also an action.

Surah Al-Ankaboot, Verse 2:
أَحَسِبَ النَّاسُ أَن يُتْرَكُوا أَن يَقُولُوا آمَنَّا وَهُمْ لَا يُفْتَنُونَ

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, We believe, and not be tried?
(English - Shakir)

17 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

please dont put words in my mouth.

also, are you saying that one can become masoom? be free of sin?

You said it is impossible for anyone to become perfect Muslim practically.  See your words quoted above, what a shameful statement that is! 

Your question was not related to ismah or the concept of masoom which means "protected one".

[just a muslim]

2 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

 

Speaking truth is an action, striving in the way of Allah with nafs & wealth is an action, not doubting is an action, to believe is also an action.

Surah Al-Ankaboot, Verse 2:
أَحَسِبَ النَّاسُ أَن يُتْرَكُوا أَن يَقُولُوا آمَنَّا وَهُمْ لَا يُفْتَنُونَ

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, We believe, and not be tried?
(English - Shakir)

You said it is impossible for anyone to become perfect Muslim practically.  See your words quoted above, what a shameful statement that is! 

Your question was not related to ismah or the concept of masoom which means "protected one".

my distinction is based on the ayahs which say those who believe and do good deeds. now if you want to use technicalities and count belief as an action, what can i say.

what i meant by a perfect muslim is to believe in everything and do every good things possible and refrain from every bad thing possible. to do that, one would have to know all there is to know. which is impossible. and if one does make such a claim, then that is arrogance. which would automatically count as a sin. correct me if you find me incorrect.

thank you for pointing out what you felt incorrect. it is duly noted and will be pondered upon. 

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

8 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

what i meant by a perfect muslim is to believe in everything and do every good things possible and refrain from every bad thing possible. to do that, one would have to know all there is to know. which is impossible.

And since it is impossible for you, therefore you easily lay down weapons in front of shaitan. You have no obligation of jihaad, you dont expect that Allah will help you, means you dont trust on Him. You cannot know complete religion. 

What a sick mentality is this!

Your school of thought told you these because those whom you follow were not perfect Muslims.

[just a muslim]

2 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

And since it is impossible for you, therefore you easily lay down weapons in front of shaitan. You have no obligation of jihaad, you dont expect that Allah will help you, means you dont trust on Him. You cannot know complete religion. 

What a sick mentality is this!

Your school of thought told you these because those whom you follow were not perfect Muslims.

okay.

do you know every good deed there is/can be? and every bad deed there is/can be?

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

14 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

okay.

do you know every good deed there is/can be? and every bad deed there is/can be?

Every deed which we perform in obeying the commands of Allah & His Apostle is a good deed. This is a very short answer.

[just a muslim]

3 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Every deed which we perform in obeying the commands of Allah & His Apostle is a good deed. This is a very short answer.

giving charity to every single person on the planet is a good deed. can you do that? give charity to every person alive?

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

2 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

giving charity to every single person on the planet is a good deed. can you do that? give charity to every person alive?

Surah At-Talaq, Verse 7:
لِيُنفِقْ ذُو سَعَةٍ مِّن سَعَتِهِ وَمَن قُدِرَ عَلَيْهِ رِزْقُهُ فَلْيُنفِقْ مِمَّا آتَاهُ اللَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا مَا آتَاهَا سَيَجْعَلُ اللَّهُ بَعْدَ عُسْرٍ يُسْرًا

Let him who has abundance spend out of his abundance and whoever has his means of subsistence straitened to him, let him spend out of that which Allah has given him; Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty.
(English - Shakir)

 

[just a muslim]

21 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Surah At-Talaq, Verse 7:
لِيُنفِقْ ذُو سَعَةٍ مِّن سَعَتِهِ وَمَن قُدِرَ عَلَيْهِ رِزْقُهُ فَلْيُنفِقْ مِمَّا آتَاهُ اللَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا مَا آتَاهَا سَيَجْعَلُ اللَّهُ بَعْدَ عُسْرٍ يُسْرًا

Let him who has abundance spend out of his abundance and whoever has his means of subsistence straitened to him, let him spend out of that which Allah has given him; Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty.
(English - Shakir)

 

i asked a yes or no question. how is this an answer to my question? 

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

1 minute ago, just a muslim said:

i asked a yes or no question. how is this an answer to my question? 

Because your question is wrong. 

Surah Al-Isra, Verse 29:
وَلَا تَجْعَلْ يَدَكَ مَغْلُولَةً إِلَىٰ عُنُقِكَ وَلَا تَبْسُطْهَا كُلَّ الْبَسْطِ فَتَقْعُدَ مَلُومًا مَّحْسُورًا

And do not make your hand to be shackled to your neck nor stretch it forth to the utmost (limit) of its stretching forth, lest you should (afterwards) sit down blamed, stripped off.
(English - Shakir)

29 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

giving charity to every single person on the planet is a good deed. can you do that? give charity to every person alive?

The verses quoted above explains the command of Allah.

 

[just a muslim]

4 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Because your question is wrong. 

Surah Al-Isra, Verse 29:
وَلَا تَجْعَلْ يَدَكَ مَغْلُولَةً إِلَىٰ عُنُقِكَ وَلَا تَبْسُطْهَا كُلَّ الْبَسْطِ فَتَقْعُدَ مَلُومًا مَّحْسُورًا

And do not make your hand to be shackled to your neck nor stretch it forth to the utmost (limit) of its stretching forth, lest you should (afterwards) sit down blamed, stripped off.
(English - Shakir

The verses quoted above explains the command of Allah.

this ayah is not about spending in charity. it is for general life expenditures. about not being miserly and stingy.

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

4 hours ago, just a muslim said:

this ayah is not about spending in charity. it is for general life expenditures. about not being miserly and stingy.

See your question once again [EDIT]

5 hours ago, just a muslim said:

giving charity to every single person on the planet is a good deed. can you do that? give charity to every person alive?

Now provide evidence for this command that giving charity to every single person on the planet is wajib (obligatory)?

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[just a muslim]

5 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

See your question once again [EDIT]

Now provide evidence for this command that giving charity to every single person on the planet is wajib (obligatory)?

insults. nice.

what are you even talking about. not every good deed is an obligation. charity is not an obligation. not to the best of my knowledge. it is mustahab. highly recommended. but it is still a good deed. 

Edited December 7, 2017 by Hameedeh
Inappropriate comment removed.

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

11 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

insults. nice.

what are you even talking about. not every good deed is an obligation. charity is not an obligation. not to the best of my knowledge. it is mustahab. highly recommended. but it is still a good deed. 

Peace!

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 3:
الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ

Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 43:
وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَارْكَعُوا مَعَ الرَّاكِعِينَ

And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.
(English - Shakir)

 

[ShiaMan14]

4 hours ago, just a muslim said:

salam.

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions. for beliefs, it is surely possible to have all the correct beliefs, right? so what are the things that a person must believe in order to be a perfect muslim(with respect to beliefs)? and why? and by why, i mean what is the daleel for it? who said we have to believe in it? and why is that particular person;s word a hujjah/proof upon me or any random person? 

Tawheed - belief in the oneness of Allah.
Adl - belief in the justice of Allah
Prophethood - Belief in the finality of Prophethood with Prophet Muhammad (saw)
Imamate - The successors of the Prophet start with Imam Ali (as) and that there are 12 of them
Qiyamah - Belief in the Day of Judgement.

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

8 hours ago, just a muslim said:

giving charity to every single person on the planet is a good deed. can you do that? give charity to every person alive?

Giving charity is a good deed.

Every person on earth is not in need of charity, neither every person on earth has the resources to give charity to every single person living on planet earth.

Your question is absurd and you know that too.

7 hours ago, just a muslim said:

what are you even talking about. not every good deed is an obligation. charity is not an obligation. not to the best of my knowledge. it is mustahab. highly recommended. but it is still a good deed. 

Even if it is highly recommended, I would like you to quote any verse which mentions this highly recommended act with the addition you did i.e., "to every person living on earth".

Surah At-Talaq, Verse 7:
لِيُنفِقْ ذُو سَعَةٍ مِّن سَعَتِهِ وَمَن قُدِرَ عَلَيْهِ رِزْقُهُ فَلْيُنفِقْ مِمَّا آتَاهُ اللَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا مَا آتَاهَا سَيَجْعَلُ اللَّهُ بَعْدَ عُسْرٍ يُسْرًا

Let him who has abundance spend out of his abundance and whoever has his means of subsistence straitened to him, let him spend out of that which Allah has given him; Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty.
(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 3:
الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ

Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
(English - Shakir)

[just a muslim]

On 12/7/2017 at 11:38 PM, shiaman14 said:

Tawheed - belief in the oneness of Allah.
Adl - belief in the justice of Allah
Prophethood - Belief in the finality of Prophethood with Prophet Muhammad (saw)
Imamate - The successors of the Prophet start with Imam Ali (as) and that there are 12 of them
Qiyamah - Belief in the Day of Judgement.

thank you.

couple of questions. 

1. why these five? and these five only?

2. what is the daleel for each of them?

salam.

[Ashvazdanghe]

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/introduction.html

 

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/tauheed.html

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/adalat-justice.html

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/nubuwwat-prophethood.html

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/imamate-divine-appointments.html

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/qiyamat-day-of-judgement.html

 

http://www.shiapen.com/fiqh/shia-usool-al-deen/salvation.html

http://shiastudies.org/article/principles-of-the-religion

http://shiastudies.org/article/tawhid-oneness-of-god

Edited December 10, 2017 by Ashvazdanghe

[Muslim2010]

11 hours ago, just a muslim said:

thank you.

couple of questions. 

1. why these five? and these five only?

2. what is the daleel for each of them?

salam.

The quran describes in many verses to ponder over those. All of these  are mentioned in the verses of Quran unless some one denies the verses.

wasalam

Edited December 10, 2017 by skyweb1987

[just a muslim]

23 minutes ago, skyweb1987 said:

The quran describes in many verses to ponder over those. All of these  are mentioned in the verses of Quran unless some one denies the verses.

wasalam

could you provide one ayah for each of the five? 

[just a muslim]

1 minute ago, kirtc said:

bro/sis... what is the purpose of life as a muslim?

surah 51 ayah 56. to worship Allah. 

"and i did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship me."

[Muslim2010]

4 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

could you provide one ayah for each of the five? 

I like to quote the verse for those whom you do not believe/ please quote which one you do not believe as Muslim

.regards

 

Edited December 10, 2017 by skyweb1987

[Urwatul Wuthqa]

 

On 12/7/2017 at 8:53 AM, just a muslim said:

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions.

The reason behind this sort of logic:

Since Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman were failed to become perfect Muslims therefore it is not possible for anyone to not doubt on Prophet, to not ran away from battle field, to not cry out of fear while staying in the cave with Prophet, to not raise their voices over Prophet, to obey Allah & His Apostle in true letter & spirit etc.

peace!

[just a muslim]

On 12/10/2017 at 12:05 PM, kirtc said:

Allah sent the Prophets as an instruction manual...

If he did not then there would be no sense of justice... why would you be punished for something he did not warn you about. So God created you and said there is a heaven and hell, but did not tell you how to get to heaven, then that would make him unjust... since Allah is just he sent you a Prophet to lay down rules.. 

it all comes to 5 things... halal, haram, muba7, musta7ab, and makruh... everything you do in life is under these 5 categories....as to why... the things that are haram are for your own sake.. if you gamble or drink... these are not harming Allah,, they only harm yourself. So here you can understand that religion or Islam is only a guide to perfection. That is the purpose of life is to strive towards perfection. To complete yourself. This is simply by doing halal and eliminating haram.

That is the meaning of Maasoum.. a person who doesnt sin. So in other words. Perfection is someone who doesnt sin. What a sin is where schools of islam come in as different schools have different rulings.. 

good to know what you believe, but why did you quote me? i dont see any relation between what you quoted and what you replied.

On 12/10/2017 at 12:15 PM, Salsabeel said:

 

The reason behind this sort of logic:

Since Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman were failed to become perfect Muslims therefore it is not possible for anyone to not doubt on Prophet, to not ran away from battle field, to not cry out of fear while staying in the cave with Prophet, to not raise their voices over Prophet, to obey Allah & His Apostle in true letter & spirit etc.

peace!

okay. peace.

[just a muslim]

3 minutes ago, kirtc said:

I see its pointless

i asked for things one must believe to be a muslim. in my OP. you didnt provide any such thing. at least i failed to recognize it. 

[power]

On 12/7/2017 at 1:53 PM, just a muslim said:

salam.

so, to be a perfect muslim is not possible ofcourse. but that is with respect to actions. for beliefs, it is surely possible to have all the correct beliefs, right? so what are the things that a person must believe in order to be a perfect muslim(with respect to beliefs)? and why? and by why, i mean what is the daleel for it? who said we have to believe in it? and why is that particular person;s word a hujjah/proof upon me or any random person? 

I  guess the simple answer to your question would be, the Holy Prophet (pbuh@hf) words are hujjah upon mankind. But my suspicion is you want to talk about imamate more than anything else, and my daleel is when you stated; And why is that particular PERSON'S word a hujjah/ When you stated "Person's" you was obviously not refering to Rasulillah because the terms "Plural" cannot used for Rasulillah, and Scholars words are not Hujjah either, therefore, for the Shias other than the Prophet (pbuh@hf) The Imams of Ahlul Bayt words are Hujjah upon us. 

[just a muslim]

22 hours ago, skyweb1987 said:

I like to quote the verse for those whom you do not believe/ please quote which one you do not believe as Muslim

.regards

 

if all five is an issue for you, then bring an ayah for two of them. qayamah and imamah. one verse for each of them. the strongest verse for each of them. 

[just a muslim]

19 hours ago, power said:

I  guess the simple answer to your question would be, the Holy Prophet (pbuh@hf) words are hujjah upon mankind. But my suspicion is you want to talk about imamate more than anything else, and my daleel is when you stated; And why is that particular PERSON'S word a hujjah/ When you stated "Person's" you was obviously not refering to Rasulillah because the terms "Plural" cannot used for Rasulillah, and Scholars words are not Hujjah either, therefore, for the Shias other than the Prophet (pbuh@hf) The Imams of Ahlul Bayt words are Hujjah upon us. 

sorry brother you are mistaken. "person's" is not plural. and that was not the point of the question any way. 

[Muslim2010]

14 minutes ago, just a muslim said:

if all five is an issue for you, then bring an ayah for two of them. qayamah and imamah. one verse for each of them. the strongest verse for each of them. 

For qayama the quran has one complete Sura thats named as Sura Qayama I here quote the link for its verses:

https://quran.com/75

Do the sunni deny the verses of Qayama, please confirm before i move to the other?

Edited December 11, 2017 by skyweb1987