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5 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

The Aqsa mosque is the spot at which Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven and then came back down to earth in the famous event of Miraj. 

That mosque is the third holiest site for muslims, besides the Kaaba (in Mecca) and the Prophet's Mosque(in Medina). You request is like asking Catholics to move St. Peter's Square to another city. Do you think they would be ok with that ? If the Jews want to rebuild the temple, they can do that. Just not at that spot. Jerusalem is not a small city. There are lots of other places within the city they can do this project. Also, there is historical evidence that what they now call the 'Western Wall' of supposedly the Temple of Soloman (peace be upon him) is actually a wall of a Roman fortress, not Soloman's Temple. So there's that. 

We muslims have proof that that spot is where Prophet Muhammad Ascended to Heaven (there is a rock suspended in mid air under the dome, defying all the known laws of physics for more than 1400 years). What is their proof that the Western Wall is 'The' Western Wall ?

You forgot to mention al-Aqsa was attached to the Mount, and then "on" it.  Photos:

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On 12/19/2017 at 2:20 PM, Christianlady said:

When was the Aqsa mosque built? Who built it?

The Muslim Arabs had not yet invaded Jerusalem during the lifetime of Muhammad, so Muslims could not have built the Aqsa mosque before that.

Why do Muslims need 3 holy sites, especially when one of those holy sites is the only holy site for another religion, the first "Abrahamic" religion?

I don't know. Both Catholics and Protestants however have come a long way in regards to caring for each other and people of other faiths, thank God.

I know by the way that many Muslims are not currently ok with moving their mosque from the site where King Solomon's temple was. I know many Muslims don't have it in their hearts to allow Jewish people their only holy site. Muslims who do have it in their hearts to allow Jewish people their only holy site are very rare.

Where do you think they should rebuild their temple? Just curious.

Do you understand why the Jewish people who want to rebuild their temple want to do it in the same place King Solomon did, as well as the builders of the Temple in which Jesus Christ walked 2,000 years ago?

Romans were the last group of people who conquered Jerusalem and destroyed a temple. They didn't destroy Solomon's Temple though; the Babylonians did. The Romans destroyed the second temple, the one Jesus walked in 2,000 years ago. So, it's no surprise that there are Roman fortresses in Jerusalem.

Proof for this rock is where???

I don't think the Western Wall is the big deal here. The big deal here is where King Solomon built the first temple.

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From Wikipedia, not sure if all of this is correct, but I can't find anything glaringly wrong with it

The covered mosque building was originally a small prayer house erected by Umar, the second caliph of the Rashidun Caliphate, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE. The mosque was completely destroyed by an earthquake in 746 and rebuilt by the Abbasid caliph al-Mansur in 754. His successor al-Mahdi rebuilt it again in 780. Another earthquake destroyed most of al-Aqsa in 1033, but two years later the Fatimid caliph Ali az-Zahir built another mosque which in broad lined stands to the present day.

During the periodic renovations undertaken, the various ruling dynasties of the Islamic Caliphate constructed additions to the mosque and its precincts, such as its dome, facade, its minbar, minarets and the interior structure. When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they used the mosque as a palace and the Dome of the Rock as a church, but its function as a mosque was restored after its recapture by Saladin in 1187. More renovations, repairs and additions were undertaken in the later centuries by the Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottomans, the Supreme Muslim Council, and Jordan. Today, the Old City is under Israeli control, but the mosque remains under the administration of the Jordanian/Palestinian-led Islamic Waqf.

For your second, I think, question, Christians have hundreds of holy sites, can't muslims have three ? 

Your statement about muslims 'having it in their hearts' to let Jewish people have a holy site being rare, this is weird argument and makes me think you have been influenced by some sort of heavy propaganda. 

First, muslims are not a collective entity, like the Borg on Star Trek (not sure if you got that reference). They have different thoughts, opinions, and ideas. If you were around many you would probably know that. They don't have the ability, at this point in history, to 'not allow' Jewish people to have a holy site, that is supposing they even want to do that (as a collective ?). If the government of what is currently referred to as the 'State of Israel' wanted to resurrect the Temple of Soloman, they could do it. I think you are ignoring the point I made earlier. The people who are in charge of the so called 'State of Israel' are secular, not religious. They don't care too much about Holy Sites. Now if they decided to do this Temple project and tear down Masjid Al Aqsa in the process, there would definitely be a backlash from Muslims in Palestine and around the world. How big and how serious would this be, it's hard to tell. I don't think it would be insignificant. 

Muslims, in general, are not attached to buildings, as some Jews are (i.e. the Temple of Soloman as a building). The place where Al Aqsa mosque now sits will always be a sacred place, not because of the dome or the structure of the building, but because of what took place there, i.e. the event of Miraj, which is mentioned in the Holy Quran. As you see above, the actual Mosque building has been torn down and rebuilt many times throughout history. The most Holy Site in Islam, the Kaaba, has been torn down several times, destroyed, etc. It was rebuilt again. It is not the structure that is sacred, but what the structure represents. 

They can destroy the building of Al Aqsa(although I don't think they will do this, I could be wrong though) but they can't destroy what the site represents. 

If the situation were reversed and there was another Holy Site standing on top of Al Aqsa today, and in order to rebuild the mosque structure, it would involve destroying what was there and this would cause a chaos and backlash in which people would die, then I would not be in favor of rebuilding the Al Aqsa mosque. Human life (any human life) is more valuable than a building, IMHO. It is what the building represents that is sacred, not the building itself. 

But why Muslims would be upset if the Al Aqsa mosque was torn down is because this is an act of injustice, in a long string of Injustices perpetrated by the so called 'State of Israel' against the Palestinian people, stretching back almost 100 years. 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock

One of the Egyptian scholars of the Al-Fattah explained the difference between Al-Khakri and Al-Qazi mosque.

The al-Aqsa mosque is the first Muslim mosque and one of the three mosques, according to a news report from the Young Women's Club , the Shabestan, according to Sadi al-Balad, Shaykh Mohammad Wisam, an Egyptian scholar and editor of the fatwa in Egypt. That going and attending is emphasized. 

He added that the name of the Al-Qazi mosque in the first verse of Sura al-Asra is that the mention of the ascension and the night course of the Prophet of Islam from the Masjid al-Haram to the mosque is Al-AQsa:«سبْحَانَ الَّذِی أَسرَی بِعَبْدِهِ لَیْلاً مِّنَ الْمَسجِدِ الْحَرَامِ إِلی الْمَسجِدِ الاَقْصا الَّذِی بَارَکْنَا حَوْلَهُ لِنرِیَهُ مِنْ ءَایَتِنَا إِنَّهُ هُوَ السمِیعُ الْبَصِیرُ» "Sobhan al-Zahi al-A'zri Ba'bdeh Allah al-Mashidd al-Haram al-Mashhad Allah al- "It is glorious that he who sent his servant to the mosque Al-Aqsa, at which time we blessed him, on the night of the holy mosque, to reveal his signs to him, which he sees as the hearing." 
 

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Glorified be He Who carried His servant by night from the Inviolable Place of Worship to the Far distant place of worship the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, that We might show him of Our tokens! Lo! He, only He, is the Hearer, the Seer. (1)

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He said: Al-AQSA Mosque is located in the southeastern part of the old Jerusalem district. Mostly the images of the golden dome of the "qobbato's.Saxra" are confused with the al-aqsa mosque; the qobbato's.Saxrais built by Caliph Abdul Malik Marwan in 572 AH and is part of the al-AQsA mosque. 
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fa&u=http://fa.wikishia.net/view/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AC%D8%AF_%D8%B5%D8%AE%D8%B1%D9%87&prev=search
Sheikh Mohammad Wissam, pointing out that the Al-AQSA mosque is the place of prayer, said: "the qobbato's.Saxra is not the same, but in the images of the qobbato's.Saxra it was published as al-AQSA mosque." The al-AQSA mosque is located in the southern part, and the qobbato's.Saxra (Dome of Rock)  is built on a rock. 

مسجدالاقصی یا قبه الصخره؟
 
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مسجدالاقصی یا قبه الصخره؟
مسجدالاقصی و قبه الصخره
 
The Real Al-Aqsa Mosque is the dark dome on image the Mosque with Golden Dome is Dome of Rock 


Source: Shabestan 

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https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1396/04/01/1443330/معرفی-قبةالصخره-به-جای-مسجدالاقصی-از-تحریف-تا-تخریب-فیلم

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U.N. Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn U.S. Decision On Jerusalem

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The United Nations General Assembly has overwhelmingly rejected the Trump administration's decision to recognize the disputed city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. By a lopsided 128-9 vote Thursday, the diplomats gathered in New York City ignored U.S. objections and approved a resolution calling on countries to avoid moving their embassies to Jerusalem.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/21/572565091/u-n-votes-overwhelmingly-to-condemn-trumps-jerusalem-decision

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58 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

Good. I condemn Trump's unilateral decision too. He has failed to represent most Americans. 

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The american government is a joke, it has always been and will always be so long as it is a slave of israel.

Turn out from the UN vote 128 countries against the US, 9 countries in favor, 35 scared to vote:

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3 hours ago, IbnSina said:

The american government is a joke, it has always been and will always be so long as it is a slave of israel.

Turn out from the UN vote 128 countries against the US, 9 countries in favor, 35 scared to vote:

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Those red squares remind me of Bush's "coalition of the willing".

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On 12/21/2017 at 9:30 PM, hasanhh said:

Maybe in her feminist fantasy she believes her real name is Nicki Hatshepsut ?

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A daughter of King Thutmose I, Hatshepsut became queen of Egypt when she married her half-brother, Thutmose II, around the age of 12. Upon his death, she began acting as regent for her stepson, the infant Thutmose III, but later took on the full powers of a pharaoh, becoming co-ruler of Egypt around 1473 B.C.

Thank you brother Hasan, always learning from you.  I wonder if your profession is a professor or your hobby is a history buff :blush:

Pharoah Nicki is now included when I make l3an on jibti wa taghout.

She reads her statement like it is truth from the gospel, how can people beleive those lies?  Sub7an'Allah as quran says, deaf, dumb and blind.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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If we look at the countries that voted against the resolution they are basically the US and Israel on one side and the rest of the world on the other. 

These countries, Micronesia, Palau, Togo, Marshall Islands and Naru are basically the same as the US since they are very small islands in the Pacific that house US military bases and thus completely dependant on the US for their income. Also these islands have very small populations. One medium sized city in China has a larger population that Micronesia, Palau, Togo, Marshall Islands and Naru combined. The US uses these Islands to 'pump up' their numbers in the UN to make it seem as if it is not only the US and Israel that are voting against or for some resolution. 

Guatemala and Honduras are of course small countries in Central America that are almost completely dependent on US foreign aid.  They were probably directly threatened by Trump and his cohorts. 

Even within the US itself, I have alot of doubt whether there is a large degree of support for Trump and his Jerusalem policy. The Christian and Jewish Zionists definitely support his policy but those two groups combined are 30% of the US population, at most. The other 70% are either against Trumps policy or don't know / don't care. 

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On 12/22/2017 at 5:55 AM, Abu Hadi said:

These countries, Micronesia, Palau, Togo, Marshall Islands and Naru are basically the same as the US since they are very small islands in the Pacific that house US military bases and thus completely dependant on the US for their income.

Togo is tiny, but it is in Africa, I have no idea why they voted with the US, they don't even receive that much aid from the US. 

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Yes, brother you are correct. Togo is in Africa. When I made the incorrect statement about Togo, I somehow read Togo as  Tonga, which is a group of small Islands in Pacific near those other Islands. 

I googled to see if I could find out why Togo voted this way, I only found this

http://www.africanews.com/2017/12/22/togo-only-african-nation-to-back-trump-on-jerusalem-vote-despite-au-stance/

Which isn't really an explanation. 

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10 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Yes, brother you are correct. Togo is in Africa. When I made the incorrect statement about Togo, I somehow read Togo as  Tonga, which is a group of small Islands in Pacific near those other Islands. 

I googled to see if I could find out why Togo voted this way, I only found this

http://www.africanews.com/2017/12/22/togo-only-african-nation-to-back-trump-on-jerusalem-vote-despite-au-stance/

Which isn't really an explanation. 

Yeah I suspected you might've confused the two, nations which receive more American aid voted against the US, so not sure why Togo wouldn't. 

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10 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Yeah I suspected you might've confused the two, nations which receive more American aid voted against the US, so not sure why Togo wouldn't. 

African King With Jewish Roots to Convene Royal Gathering in Jerusalem to Praise God of Israel

“Nobles shall come out of Mitzrayim; Ethiopia shall hasten to stretch out her hands unto God.” Psalms 68:32 (The Israel Bible™)

image: https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ethiopian-kotel.jpg

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Religious leaders of the Ethiopian Jews during Passover prayers near Wailing Wall, Apr. 17, 2014. (oris Diakovsky / Shutterstock.com)

One of the more remarkable incarnations of the prophesied ingathering of the exiles is the discovery of Jewish roots in African tribes. The King of Togo, a country in West Africa, plans to strengthen that Messianic vision by bringing hundreds of African kings to the Western Wall in Jerusalem this Sukkot (Festival of Booths) to sing out their love of the God of Israel.

King Ayi was crowned in 1994 as King of the Ayigbe people of the Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, and Benin. The seat of this Kingdom was in Togo, although most historians confirm it started in Accra, Ghana. He presently lives in exile in the US. In 2002, at the second World Conference of the Counsel of Chiefs and Kings of Africa, King Ayi was crowned by his peers as head of the Organization of Kings and Queens of Africa, in the republic of Benin.

At the following conference in 2005, he announced his desire to bring all 350 African kings to Israel, to recite the ‘Shema’, the Jewish declaration of faith, at the Kotel (the Western Wall in Jerusalem). His announcement was received with overwhelming enthusiasm.

King Ayi explained this surprising reaction to Breaking Israel News.  

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King Ayi of Togo. (Courtesy) King Ayi of Togo. (Courtesy)

“At least half of the kings who are coming have a tradition that they are Jewish,” King Ayi said. “Some of the kings, though, are Muslim imams. Even they wanted to come. They are coming with the intention of recognizing that God created the entire world.”

It has taken 11 years and many trips back and forth, but King Ayi’s vision is finally coming to fruition. The ceremony will take place in Jerusalem during Sukkot in October and has been organized in conjunction with the Israeli Religious Affairs Ministry, headed by MK David Azulai.

In the past, King Ayi has met with Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky and Rabbi Shmuel Auerbach, two major figures in Orthodox Judaism. His efforts are also supported by the Beit Din (Rabbinic Court) of Bnei Brak as well as the nascent Sanhedrin.
Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/73151/king-togo-bringing-hundreds-african-kings-praise-god-kotel-sukkot/#yMXM6xsyM3usufrH.99

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/73151/king-togo-bringing-hundreds-african-kings-praise-god-kotel-sukkot/#/#E3XS4t0sDIQylwGp.97

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Africa

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These fake Jews of Khazaria have had their own independent Jewish homeland since 1928, called Birobidjan, on the border of Russia.  There is no reason on God's earth for these usurpers to be occupying the land of the semites, the Palestinians.  They should go back home and leave the Palestinians in peace.  More information can be found on jewishrepublic.com 

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On 07/12/2017 at 12:44 AM, Abu Hadi said:

The Biblical 'Israel' has nothing to do with the present day political entity known as the 'State of Israel'. The Christians were tricked by Theodore Herzl and the original Zionist clan. The Biblical Israel refers the the Kingdoms of David and Soloman(a.s) who were just rulers who ruled according to the laws of God. The present day State of Israel is run by secular Jews from New York and con artists from East Europe who are looking for land and political power. Two very different things. 

If I call a rabbit a turtle, that doesn't make the rabbit a turtle, it just makes me look silly. 

I could not have said it better myself. These fake Jews of Khazaria have had their own independent Jewish homeland since 1928, Birobidjan, on the border of Russia.  There is no reason on God's earth for them to be occupying the land of the semites, the Palestinians.  They should go back home and leave the Palestinians in peace.  More information can be found on jewishrepublic.com 

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