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[Closed/Review]Deviant Beliefs of Hassan Allahyari

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Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Astaghfirullah, today I came across a video of Hassan Allahyari cursing Ayatollah al-Sistani, because apparently in a childrens book associated with him it says something nice about Abu Bakr....

Honestly, I don't understand how his mind can't comprehend that Sayed Sistani can not say everything he wants to. He doesn't have that kind of freedom, and regardless he has said in his statements many things which would prove he does not prohibit cursing the enemies of Ahlulbayt. The specific statement was not even from Sayed Sistani, but of a publisher affiliated with his office!!! This is completely unacceptable and should be condemned immediately.

The flaws in his logic are obvious, however I think I need to disassociate from this Sheikh publicly since I've praised him in the past. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib is also in no way affiliated with him, and considers Sayed al-Sistani one of the great fuqaha of today. I am going to email Hassan Allahyari and see how he defends himself, though this seems like enough.

It's important for  everyone to know how to separate the truth from falsehood, and I have started this thread for just that reason. Here is the video astaghfirullah.

@SheikhAlHabib'fan

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From what I know, this guy is (most likely) an agent, just like Yasser Habib. Both spread fitnah and curse ayatollahs. Their followers also do takfir against most Shias. They are exposed since many years now, so it is weird you got to know about his activities only recently

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15 hours ago, SalmanK said:

From what I know, this guy is (most likely) an agent, just like Yasser Habib. Both spread fitnah and curse ayatollahs. Their followers also do takfir against most Shias. They are exposed since many years now, so it is weird you got to know about his activities only recently

You need proof to say someone is an agent. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, May Allah lengthen his life, has been recognized as a scholar by many of our top maraji, which include Sayed Sadiq Shirazi and Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabataba'i. On the other hand, Allahyari's education is unclear. But regardless, where is the proof that they are agents?

14 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr

Brother, Allahyari's problem was not with Muhammad bin Abu Bakr... the book [in the video above] said May Allah be pleased with Abu Bakr (astaghfirullah). This isn't enough proof to say Sayed Sistani promotes this, as one it's not directly written by him, and two it could have been done under Taqiyya.

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I know it but Imam Sadiq (as) condemned the insulting to sunni leaders & (ra) or (رض) is a common title for deceased person & doesn't mean he was good & person that is common in Iraq & Iran that say this for deceased persons .

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41 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I know it but Imam Sadiq (as) condemned the insulting to sunni leaders & (ra) or (رض) is a common title for deceased person & doesn't mean he was good & person that is common in Iraq & Iran that say this for deceased persons .

I don't want to debate this right now, but it's clear that Allah is NOT pleased with Abu Bakr, the killer of Fatimah (sa).

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If you read sermons of 3 to 13 of nahjul al balaqa that is available on www.al-Islam.org the Imam Ali very fine explains about his right & his relationship to 3 caliphs

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Even in Sunni hadiths it is narrated  that Lady Fatima  (as) was angry from Abubakr until she martyred but who is responsible for martyrdom of Lady Fatima (as) that even narrated in Sunni hadith books but their scholars always tried to hide it from people.

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

If you read sermons of 3 to 13 of nahjul al balaqa that is available on www.al-Islam.org 

Here is the link to Nahjul Balagha sermons by Imam Ali AS:

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons 

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14 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

You need proof to say someone is an agent. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, May Allah lengthen his life, has been recognized as a scholar by many of our top maraji, which include Sayed Sadiq Shirazi and Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabataba'i. On the other hand, Allahyari's education is unclear. But regardless, where is the proof that they are agents?

I don't have a proof either of them is an agent and that's why I added "most likely". But both of them do their best to create disunity amongst Shias and their followers post vile insults about many respected scholars and Ayatollahs including Ayatollah Khomaini.

Many anti-shia groups use speeches and videos of Yasser habib to create very negative view of Shiism and provoke hatred against Shias. I can easily imagine some sunni wishing to go for """jihad""" against Shias after watching this "Sheikh" and that is what this guy does in reality - he creates fitnah and disunity within Shia community and makes sunnies hate us.

When someone is adding RA after abu bakr's name it is another story and, unless done within Taqea, it is not acceptable for a Shia (in my opinion of course).

 

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5 hours ago, SalmanK said:

I don't have a proof either of them is an agent and that's why I added "most likely". But both of them do their best to create disunity amongst Shias and their followers post vile insults about many respected scholars and Ayatollahs including Ayatollah Khomaini.

Many anti-shia groups use speeches and videos of Yasser habib to create very negative view of Shiism and provoke hatred against Shias. I can easily imagine some sunni wishing to go for """jihad""" against Shias after watching this "Sheikh" and that is what this guy does in reality - he creates fitnah and disunity within Shia community and makes sunnies hate us.

When someone is adding RA after abu bakr's name it is another story and, unless done within Taqea, it is not acceptable for a Shia (in my opinion of course).

On your second point, I'd like to see sources. You shouldn't think that way of a Muslim brother, let alone a scholar.

I also agree that adding RA after the name of Abu Bakr is unacceptable, but again, we should think the best of our fellow Muslim and most eminent scholar Ayatollah Sistani, and assume this was done out of Taqiyya, or added by the publishers without the involvement of the Sayed.

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41 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

The proof of Yasser Habib being an agent is clear.

He is released from prison early and allowed to go to the UK. Upon which he finds himself with a large quantity of money. Then he opens his own tv channel and mosque, whilst having less than a handful people around him. He then spouts hate and propaganda against the enemies of the British government. 

Actually, there is a large Shia community in the UK. Donations add up, that's how he funded his masjid.

Do you believe our top scholars such as Sayed Sadiq Shirazi and Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabataba'i have issued statements in support of a MI6 agent??

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On 2/12/2017 at 10:05 AM, SalmanK said:

From what I know, this guy is (most likely) an agent, just like Yasser Habib. Both spread fitnah and curse ayatollahs. Their followers also do takfir against most Shias. They are exposed since many years now, so it is weird you got to know about his activities only recently

I mean, not to be harsh but... Mohammad Al Tijani was also accused of being an agent (an Israeli agent) by the Muslim Brotherhood. (back at the time of the conflict between Palestine & Israel.) He went through some trouble and rumors, he almost even faced a lifetime in prison! But I mean, yes those two guys are a bit of a troublemaker! Maybe not an agent though 

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9 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Actually, there is a large Shia community in the UK. Donations add up, that's how he funded his masjid.

Do you believe our top scholars such as Sayed Sadiq Shirazi and Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabataba'i have issued statements in support of a MI6 agent??

Unfortunately as much as you will try to open some eyes they remain tightly shut.

So according to this close eyed logic if you curse Ayatullah Sistani it is a capitol offence .

But if your (OMG can it be even more obvious british agent sitting with multimillion pound headquarters 20 mins from Queens palace in very rich isolated London Suburb) highly  sketchy background sheikh curses Hasan Nasrallah or Ayatullah Khamenei or Ayatullah Khumayni, that is acceptable. 

You should explain this highly selective form of logic. Or do you just have an axe to grind against all Iranian or pro Waliyat al Faqeeh clerics.

Sorry to say but you have kind of outed yourself my dear brother. 

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On 12/2/2017 at 1:53 AM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Astaghfirullah, today I came across a video of Hassan Allahyari cursing Ayatollah al-Sistani, because apparently in a childrens book associated with him it says something nice about Abu Bakr....

Honestly, I don't understand how his mind can't comprehend that Sayed Sistani can not say everything he wants to. He doesn't have that kind of freedom, and regardless he has said in his statements many things which would prove he does not prohibit cursing the enemies of Ahlulbayt. The specific statement was not even from Sayed Sistani, but of a publisher affiliated with his office!!! This is completely unacceptable and should be condemned immediately.

The flaws in his logic are obvious, however I think I need to disassociate from this Sheikh publicly since I've praised him in the past. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib is also in no way affiliated with him, and considers Sayed al-Sistani one of the great fuqaha of today. I am going to email Hassan Allahyari and see how he defends himself, though this seems like enough.

It's important for  everyone to know how to separate the truth from falsehood, and I have started this thread for just that reason. Here is the video astaghfirullah.

@SheikhAlHabib'fan

So these guys with very sketchy backgrounds and  just happen to have expensive tv studio facilities , who just happen to sow discord among shias, sunnis and just happen to parrot the position of the Govt where they are based is just extreme coincidence. 

Astaghfurullah if it walks like duck.....etc ( really, really... this is too hard to make the obvious conclusion based on  significant circumstantial evidence , its called deductive reasoning .)

Have you even read any modern history texts regarding movement subversion techniques,  look up COINTELPRO, controlled opposition, agent provacteurs. You really to read the Art of War by Sun Tzu. However there will be no proofs that such stratagems work.

My young respected brother i will chalk this up to youth and unfamiliarity with modern history and psyops.

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1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

OMG can it be even more obvious british agent sitting with multimillion pound headquarters 20 mins from Queens palace in very rich isolated London Suburb

No, sorry, that's not proof that he got the property from MI6.

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

curses Hasan Nasrallah or Ayatullah Khamenei or Ayatullah Khumayni, that is acceptable. 

I don't recall him cursing those two, just criticizing Nasrullah for praising Aisha publically on TV.

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

very sketchy backgrounds

Sheikh al-Habib's background is not sketchy. He studied under Ayatollah Sayed Muhammad Ridha Shirazi (ra), and numerous scholars including Sayed Sadiq Shirazi and Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabataba'i have given him ijaza and said that this man is a scholar. I already showed this in another thread.

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

and  just happen to have expensive tv studio facilities

Ahlulbayt TV is a state of the art television channel based in the UK. Are you going to call the founder, Sayed Mahdi Modarresi, an agent??

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

sow discord among shias, sunnis

Sheikh al-Habib always provides evidence from the Quran and Sunnah from his teachings, you should watch his lectures more often.

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

just happen to parrot the position of the Govt where they are based is just extreme coincidence. 

"Parrot the position of the Govt," just two weeks ago Sheikh al-Habib called the right wing Christians in the USA "useful idiots." He also criticized Trump in that lecture. He's also said very clearly that Israel is an illegitimate state. You should watch him more.

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On 12/2/2017 at 2:36 PM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I don't want to debate this right now, but it's clear that Allah is NOT pleased with Abu Bakr, the killer of Fatimah (sa).

So let me make sure I understand..You are claiming Abu Bakr killed Lady Fatima (AS). Now you mean to tell me Imam Ali (AS) did not try to bring justice on the death of his beloved wife (further so the daughter of the Holy Prophet (SAW))? This seems to be inconsistent with the incident in which he was martyred by Ibn Muljim (LA). He ordered Imam Hassan to enforce justice by striking Ibn Muljim in the same manner he was struck--no more, no less.

So what you are implying is that Imam Ali (AS) cared for justice when it was about him, but did not care for justice when it came to the daughter of the Holy Prophet (SAW)? To me, Imam Ali (AS) is a compass for morality and justice. Somehow, he allows the two alleged killers of Lady Fatima (AS) (Abu Bakr and Umar) rule Islam for 12 years AND serves as a consultant during their reign? That tells me something does not add up.

(PS. I am no caliph apologizer, but I think its disingenuous to blindly believe anything that is anti-caliph without putting any rational thought to it.)

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Hi Imam Ali (as) just tolerate with caliph in order to keep unity between muslims

He explained it on

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons

From 3to14

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Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha) also insulted Ayatollah Sayed Muhammad Shirazi (rahimahullah) and Ayatollah Sayed Sadiq Shirazi (hafidhahullah). I have seen that vid, and I don’t hold a lot unto Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha) in many issues. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib (hafidhahullah) is more knowledgeable in this respect. Look how Sheikh al-Habib (ha) praised Ayatollah Sayed Sistani (hafidhahullah):

https://www.youtube.com/embed/TcHmo2MQiSg

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0V6ZJABu3Jg 

However, Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha) is young, and I like your idea of emailing him.

On 12/2/2017 at 1:53 AM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

The specific statement was not even from Sayed Sistani, but of a publisher affiliated with his office!!! This is completely unacceptable and should be condemned immediately.

I understand your position and I agree with you, that was in no way directly affiliated with Ayatollah Sayed Sistani (ha) himself, also considering his statement for allowing public curse. Still, Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha) is a great source for arguments against the mukhalifeen and I hope Allah steadfasts him on the Deen of Ahlulbayt (as). 

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Anyways, these guys accusing Sheikh Yasser al-Habib (ha) together with Shirazis and Hassan Allahyari to be Western Agents, don’t you find it weird that Western Agents are criticizing one another (like Allahyari criticised both Shirazis and Sheikh al-Habib)? Also, a Western founded Network such as BBC, why would they portray their agent as an evil person, furthermore, why would Western founded news networks theorize and “expose” their agent and his “wealth” (in regards to Sheikh al-Habib)? -btw remember, these same news networks deem that Ayatollah Khomeini was supported by Jimmy Carter to wage his Revolution- This and many more logical arguments can be found in this post I made some time ago:

 

12 hours ago, 786:) said:

So let me make sure I understand..You are claiming Abu Bakr killed Lady Fatima (AS). Now you mean to tell me Imam Ali (AS) did not try to bring justice on the death of his beloved wife (further so the daughter of the Holy Prophet (SAW))?

Hmm, using the emotional appeal?

Your allegation can easily be answered by Sheikh Hassan Allahyari (ha) himself:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hPfDkvU5DNc 

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi Imam Ali (as) just tolerate with caliph in order to keep unity between muslims

He explained it on

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons

From 3to14

aha! I have heard this before as well. See this reasoning for me draws up two possible scenarios:

1) The Caliphs killed Lady Fatima (AS). Yet, Imam Ali (AS) looked passed and squashed the matter in hopes of unity amongst the Muslims.

2) The Caliphs did not kill Lady Fatima (AS). This is why we do not have one single narration from Imam Ali (AS) that leads us to believe they did.

Pick your poison. Both cases lead to unity. Ironically, those who are stuck on this matter tend be against unity.

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On 12/5/2017 at 12:13 PM, 786:) said:

aha! I have heard this before as well. See this reasoning for me draws up two possible scenarios:

1) The Caliphs killed Lady Fatima (AS). Yet, Imam Ali (AS) looked passed and squashed the matter in hopes of unity amongst the Muslims.

2) The Caliphs did not kill Lady Fatima (AS). This is why we do not have one single narration from Imam Ali (AS) that leads us to believe they did.

Pick your poison. Both cases lead to unity. Ironically, those who are stuck on this matter tend be against unity.

The no1 is true

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On 12/3/2017 at 9:01 PM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I don't recall him cursing those two, just criticizing Nasrullah for praising Aisha publically on TV.

He insulted Sayed hassan those 2 personalities and more here’s proof

http://www.shiatv.net/video/296538925

theres more btw not just what’s on this video. 

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On 12/3/2017 at 9:33 AM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

On your second point, I'd like to see sources. You shouldn't think that way of a Muslim brother, let alone a scholar.

Really? Your Muslim “scholar” [yasir habib] doesn’t agree with that philosophy of yours as he calls plenty of other scholars corrupt, fasiq, ignorant, etc.. 

Isn’t he wrong for doing that? or are the people who call him an agent the ones who only get the scolding? Even though there is plenty of evident that points to him being an agent.  

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1) The Caliphs killed Lady Fatima (AS). Yet, Imam Ali (AS) looked passed and squashed the matter in hopes of unity amongst the Muslims.

We don't know what happened, but we do know something did happened. What do you expect? Ramping against the Caliph that these people favor him? Making the Ummah disunited?

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57 minutes ago, Dhulfikar said:

We don't know what happened, but we do know something did happened. What do you expect? Ramping against the Caliph that these people favor him? Making the Ummah disunited?

We know for sure the event happened and she was hurt due to the fact that she died young. On top of that It makes sense the khalifas did it for various historical reasons. Despite that we still shouldn’t curse these people in public in front of sunnis. It just makes sense, I can’t go up to a Christian and be like the “apostles suck” even though some of them based off what I know were the ones to corrupt Jesus (as) message I remember reading about it in a Hadith.  It’s built on reason,  manners and common decency to not do such things. Even shaykh waheed (ha) has a video where he says No!! To cursing them in front of sunnis. 

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12 minutes ago, Al Hadi said:

We know for sure the event happened and she was hurt due to the fact that she died young. On top of that It makes sense the khalifas did it for various historical reasons. Despite that we still shouldn’t curse these people in public in front of sunnis. It just makes sense, I can’t go up to a Christian and be like the “apostles suck” even though some of them based off what I know were the ones to corrupt Jesus (as) message I remember reading about it in a Hadith.  It’s built on reason,  manners and common decency to not do such things. Even shaykh waheed (ha) has a video where he says No!! To cursing them in front of sunnis. 

Yes, I agree that she was hurt, but I don't think we know the details who did it.

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